"I pledge allegiance to my independent girls" "workin for the money cause that's what my momma taught me" I hope bey is getting royalties from this song
She knows Normani is ha Ariana. She is deciding to keep it cute
Anything that is fast singing is influenced by Beyonce tbh. But Little Mix is more mixed (no pun intended) than urban to me whereas Fifth Harmony is going in a more rhythmic direction. So Fifth Harmony in my opinion is more Destiny's Child/Beyonce influenced where as Little Mix is more Spice Girl and a little Destiny Child/Beyonce.
I love this part So many Bey stans can't tell the difference.
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You're getting to technical with the wording. I wasn't trying to break down what they are, just state that Beyonce has more than crossed over, thus she is not just one thing or genre to people. I agree she is more R&B influenced than Michael and often makes pure R&B songs, even when the trends state you shouldn't, but she is still a popstar, first and foremost. And she is one that is highly revered, as MJ was, and thus is often incomparable. She doesn't quite fit into R&B (with Mary, Brandy, Whitney, Aaliyah, Monica, etc.) nor pure pop (Katy, Britney, Gaga) but she exists within both worlds.
I agree. Beyonce has crossed over...so has Lil wayne, Nicki minaj, alicia keys...they get played on pop radio and are popular (well, alicia was in the 2000s) but the pop influences in their songs exist but lil wayne/Nicki are rappers, alicia is an r&b even though they have surpassed more than what their genre usually limits.
Nicki doesn't fit with the likes of Kim, Lauryn, Missy but she doesn't fit with Iggy, Britney, Katy and Rihanna
Lik wayne doesn't fit with the likes of Jay, Kanye, Eminem but he doesn't fit with flo rida, pitbull or macklemore.
Many artists exist in both world but when artist exist in the pop world its due to factors not only based on their music...the music still determines whether they are in the rap, r&b, rock, country etc. category.
Either way, it's clear we agree on some things but are on opposite sides on many...good debate.
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Admiration* Not you confusion the two again when trying to clock me. It's like it literally does not compute with y'all
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I'm inspired by Victor Hugo and his work but I'm not influenced by him?
how does that part you quoted make bey a blueprint for R&B artists?
True. The definition used actually proves the point that it's not the case.
Influence is not always good nor is impact.
Anna nicole had an impact and influence on a blueprint for gold diggers.
The Hills had an impact and influence on fake reality tv
Kardashians have influence and impact but their basis is not acting or modeling or family therapy. They are still known for what they are despite these other factors and if their influence/impact is based on those other factors then that is where the core is.
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You need to learn your music history. MJB is cited as the most influential r&b female artist in the past 25 years. She further unified two distinct genres of r&b and hip hop, which created an entire new genre hip hop soul. The whole swag of a woman from the streets who could ride a hip hop beat, but still stay r&b is still ever present today. Don't believe me then go listen to Jazmone Sullivan, Monica, Keyshia Cole, K Michelle, Ashanti, Keri Hilson, Letoya, Beyonce etc....
Don't believe me watch a documentary on the HISTORY of black music and it's impact. This entire episode is dedicated to MJB and how she changed the entire genre of r&b to what we know it as today:
I'm gonna watch this. I already know Queen Mary J had all of her albums up until growing pains.
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Are you serious?!? There's a reason why she's known as the queen of hip hop soul. One of the first artists to infuse R&B music with the hip hop. The same concept Mariah Carey later infused with her sound.
Emphasis on ONE OF as Mi'chelle was singing over rough beats prior to Mary J.
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Yet you think she is the most influential? Makes sense...
You are shady. I like it. Outside of that Beyonce shade about her color I actually respect your POV
Okay after enough deliberation on off topic blasphemous posts. Lemme leave my opinion:
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Beyonce is one of the blueprints of r&b, she is not the sole defining one. Nor is she the most important however you can't deny how she is viewed in today's musical climate. She is seen as the standard of what an r&b performer/vocalist should be nowadays. Her contributions to music may not be as vast as the divas before her but her style has left a footnote in r&b:
@3:26 talked about how her vocal style contributed to contemporary r&b. The fast paced style of singing that goes more towards rhythm/hip hop edge like a rapper. That style can be seen in modern stars that are influenced by her like rihanna for example (lemme get that and several of her songs)
Fast paced style...chile boo. but this is showing that she does well on many areas but her root and core area of dominance and impact is on R&B...now influence might need to be shown when we can see how current artists and future/newer artist are executing this blueprint.
I'm so surprised that people are trying to suggest that she is downplayed. Being underrated has not been Beyonce's problem at all...
When rihanna was scoring #1hits and Beyonce was scoring #1 r*b hits the arguments were made about Beyonce and R&b and now all of the sudden people want to put her up there as this dominant pop artist. While she does pop, when the GP who don't listen to R&b are asked name a female r&b artist that you like even if you don't like the genre: Beyonce will be named even if hir brand of r&b isn't everyone's cup of tea. The same way Taylor Swift would be named for country. The same way Pink would be named for pop/rock, shakira for latin music etc.
I agree. Beyonce has crossed over...so has Lil wayne, Nicki minaj, alicia keys...they get played on pop radio and are popular (well, alicia was in the 2000s) but the pop influences in their songs exist but lil wayne/Nicki are rappers, alicia is an r&b even though they have surpassed more than what their genre usually limits.
Nicki doesn't fit with the likes of Kim, Lauryn, Missy but she doesn't fit with Iggy, Britney, Katy and Rihanna
Lik wayne doesn't fit with the likes of Jay, Kanye, Eminem but he doesn't fit with flo rida, pitbull or macklemore.
Many artists exist in both world but when artist exist in the pop world its due to factors not only based on their music...the music still determines whether they are in the rap, r&b, rock, country etc. category.
Either way, it's clear we agree on some things but are on opposite sides on many...good debate.
True, there are many others who have cross-appeal but none of those people listed have crossed over as well or as smoothly as Beyonce though. Nicki, for example, got a lot of flack from her urban audience for catering to her pop audience. She never crossed over so much as she changed her music to appeal to a certain audience. Lil Wayne was mostly popular when rap songs were. Now he is barely a factor in pop. To be fair, when R&B music was definitely not popular (2011), 4 didn't do as well singles wise, but she still held her position and was a major music industry force (thus booking the Super Bowl).
Justin and Eminem comes to mind but I guess for female artists i can say that Rihanna and Beyonce have had a smoother transition without a backlash of a Nicki Minaj, Taylor Swift, etc.
Yeah to me 4 really is a prime example of her r&b dominance despite the "underperformance" which many would love to have those sales but it further showed me where her core is despite doing well on pop, tour (which someone tried to make a point about tour receipts a few pages back as if Tina wasn't killing it in her heyday), business deals etc.
We'll have to agree to disagree. It's not like we both don't recognize her success in both we just have different views as to where her core is and what she really has strong influence/impact in.
I'm watching that clip that some mary j blige fan posted.It's quite telling.
Fast paced style...chile boo. but this is showing that she does well on many areas but her root and core area of dominance and impact is on R&B...now influence might need to be shown when we can see how current artists and future/newer artist are executing this blueprint.
And that's exactly my point. Hence why I stated that she does have a blueprint but it isn't the most innovative nor followed. As far as her so called influence it's already being seen in the likes of rihanna, little mix etc....
Plus BBC and their education on the progression of black music can't be discounted. Unless you have evidence to provide the contrary which I doubt there is
If we're talking about glamour we cannot discount the Queen of Glamour herself, Miss Diana Ross.
YES YES YES...Diana, Anita, Whitney...which further adds to my point. I take it that the person that made that statement probably wasn't too familiar with the r&b history
YES YES YES...Diana, Anita, Whitney...which further adds to my point. I take it that the person that made that statement probably wasn't too familiar with the r&b history
We could even take it back farther to Billie Holiday, but that's more blues/jazz than R&B. Still, an inspiration/influence to most R&B artists.
And that's exactly my point. Hence why I stated that she does have a blueprint but it isn't the most innovative nor followed. As far as her so called influence it's already being seen in the likes of rihanna, little mix etc....
Plus BBC and their education on the progression of black music >>>>>>>>> your opinion. Unless you have evidence to provide the contrary which I doubt there is
No need to be sassy but maybe there was confusion because my point has been in this thread that she has created a blueprint for R&b and has had impact...influence will show more and more but as of now her roots are more in r&b with pop influences every now and again and many were saying the opposite. I see her success> impact> influence (this will only grow in future generations but as of now it's not even close.
I was actually agreeing with you...except i did make that joke about the fast paced comment which probably made it appear as though I disagree with the entire thing which i don't.
I do believe that its more for R&B and not pop despite her having success in both.
Were you under the impression that I didn't recognize her contribution to r&b
We could even take it back farther to Billie Holiday, but that's more blues/jazz than R&B. Still, an inspiration/influence to most R&B artists.
Very true and i'm sure it can go further...i guess for some they only have one or two examples of the glamour despite more than 4 generations having it in the urban community
Very true and i'm sure it can go further...i guess for some they only have one or two examples of the glamour despite more than 4 generations having it in the urban community
I think a point could be made that Beyonce brought back glamour to it though. When most R&B artists were presenting a very hood and/or real vibe ala Brandy or Mary J., Beyonce (solo) came with a very slick and polished glamour, performing for example, DIL always in a floor length gown, etc. But perhaps others were doing that at the same time too. I'm not sure. I know Beyonce's history way better than other's.
Janet is the blueprint for black girls of pop and all will deal.
She's also a blueprint for girls in pop who are white though. Britney being perhaps the best example. And she is certainly not the blueprint for all black girls in pop though. For example, Rihanna shows very little Janet-isms.
So many Bey stans can't tell the difference.
to most R&B artists.
