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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Nah, but for real re: your other post, this article may enlighten some of your questions:
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/1293307...t-trump-brexit
It's super long, but it's basically about White Resentment in the West.
It breaks down two phenomenas that are happening:
- economic anxiety
- cultural anxiety
The alt-right in the US / far-right in Europe are the latter, and they want to champion a Trump win as for their causes (anti-immigration / anti-diversity), but the reality is that the poor whites that caused this loss and handed the win to Trump were the former, the economic anxious whites in the rust belt. A lot of the rust belt whites don't hate immigrants. Many don't even want them deported. They just truly want their wages to rise again and to have better jobs.
Economically anxious voters of all races seemed to side with Trump on this, hoping he'd ease up on other policies and not actually follow-through on his hate speech and just "fix" the economy. 
Yes, they're dumb because he's a liar and conman and will only make the economy worse, but the DNC needs to realize and fix how it tackles class politics. They can't even pivot to the center cause this election showed that the public view Democrats as too REGRESSIVE on the economy ( ). 2020 basically needs a smart and charismatic person without any establishment ties to crony capitalists.
Those speeches and portraying her as "in the pockets of Wall Street" really soured her image. The DNC should have changed course. when this became obvious.
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That's right I forget to look up how Debbie did, no full breakdown in most districts yet but the media said she won by a landslide.
Teflon Deb strikes again
The fact that she outlasts Hillary now in the political sphere 
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Cue the drama:
The Hill
12 hrs ·
#BREAKING: The Obama administration is planning to green light the Dakota Access oil pipeline as early as Monday.
http://hill.cm/eNRu10l
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
California's 2018 Governorship Wikipedia page:
Democratic Party
Declared
David Asem
John Chiang, California State Treasurer
Delaine Eastin, former California State Superintendent of Public Instruction
Gavin Newsom, Lieutenant Governor of California
Antonio Villaraigosa, former Mayor of Los Angeles
Potential
Phil Angelides, former California State Treasurer
George Clooney, actor and activist
Kevin de León, President pro tempore of the California State Senate
Eric Garcetti, Mayor of Los Angeles
Alex Padilla, Secretary of State of California
Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook COO
Libby Schaaf, Mayor of Oakland
Tom Steyer, hedge fund manager, philanthropist, and environmentalist
Steve Westly, former California State Controller and candidate for Governor in 2006
Betty Yee, California State Controller
Republican Party
Declared
Allen Ishida, Tulare County Supervisor
Jacob Morris
Potential
Carly Fiorina, businesswoman, nominee for the U.S. Senate in 2010 and candidate for President in 2016
Kevin McCarthy, U.S. Representative and House Majority Leader
Steve Poizner, former California Insurance Commissioner
Condoleezza Rice, former United States Secretary of State
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The fact that I don't enjoy any of these candidates 
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Cue the drama:
The Hill
12 hrs ·
#BREAKING: The Obama administration is planning to green light the Dakota Access oil pipeline as early as Monday.
http://hill.cm/eNRu10l
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If this is the "leftist party", no wonder Leftists were disillusioned by ugly neoliberalism.
Jesus.
Edit - Sis, the link says it was updated by the WH that no plan has actually been made, but they could be saving face.
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Originally posted by HandsOn
The fact that I don't enjoy any of these candidates |
Don't put it past us to select Clooney. I just hope he's not the Democratic version of Governator
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Communion
Nah, but for real re: your other post, this article may enlighten some of your questions:
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/1293307...t-trump-brexit
It's super long, but it's basically about White Resentment in the West.
It breaks down two phenomenas that are happening:
- economic anxiety
- cultural anxiety
The alt-right in the US / far-right in Europe are the latter, and they want to champion a Trump win as for their causes (anti-immigration / anti-diversity), but the reality is that the poor whites that caused this loss and handed the win to Trump were the former, the economic anxious whites in the rust belt. A lot of the rust belt whites don't hate immigrants. Many don't even want them deported. They just truly want their wages to rise again and to have better jobs.
Economically anxious voters of all races seemed to side with Trump on this, hoping he'd ease up on other policies and not actually follow-through on his hate speech and just "fix" the economy.
Yes, they're dumb because he's a liar and conman and will only make the economy worse, but the DNC needs to realize and fix how it tackles class politics. They can't even pivot to the center cause this election showed that the public view Democrats as too REGRESSIVE on the economy ( ). 2020 basically needs a smart and charismatic person without any establishment ties to crony capitalists.
Those speeches and portraying her as "in the pockets of Wall Street" really soured her image. The DNC should have changed course. when this became obvious. |
I really don't think the next candidate is going to be a populist. After the Trump scam, they'll want a politician who doesn't lie to them. You know like when Hillary told them that their coal jobs are not coming back and it ended her in those states. It sucks, but the country is too divided atm on issues. Trump is the slap in the face they needed to wake and elect another Obama. I mean I hope Bernie wins in 4 years and I'll work hard for him as I did for Hillary, but I just fear this Trump presidency is overstaying its welcome just out of patriotism unless the DNC and Bernie play dirty and set up some conservative plant like the one that wrecked H.W Bush
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Originally posted by hellocory
And she STILL beat Bernie. Minorities were Bernie's Achilles heel during the primaries. They did not turn out to vote. Bernie's primary demo was millennials, who have an awful track record in terms of turnout. Bernie would not have won, and the Bros saying otherwise are simply dreaming.
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You didn't address the question - which states did Hillary win in the presidential election, that Bernie would have lost?
The democrats needed a better candidate, but people like Debbie Wasserman Schultz pushed for Hillary so that she could get a nice job in the upcoming Clinton administration.
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Evan was too local, we need a cross country conservative radio hit
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Media: Obama officially gives up on TPP.
Girl, let me just...I'm out.
This horcrux is too much.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Evan was too local, we need a cross country conservative radio hit
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Taylor Swift is coming.
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Originally posted by Communion
Nah, but for real re: your other post, this article may enlighten some of your questions:
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/1293307...t-trump-brexit
It's super long, but it's basically about White Resentment in the West.
I t breaks down two phenomenas that are happening:
- economic anxiety
- cultural anxiety
The alt-right in the US / far-right in Europe are the latter, and they want to champion a Trump win as for their causes (anti-immigration / anti-diversity), but the reality is that the poor whites that caused this loss and handed the win to Trump were the former, the economic anxious whites in the rust belt. A lot of the rust belt whites don't hate immigrants. Many don't even want them deported. They just truly want their wages to rise again and to have better jobs. |
This really summarized the base of Trump!
Great article  Thanks for sharing it!
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TPP being the most talked about thing in the election, even before Trump, before Jill
 Ruining careers left and right
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Don't put it past us to select Clooney. I just hope he's not the Democratic version of Governator |
Girl, I don't. I remember that all too well
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Originally posted by Cupid
I don't buy this "Trump won because people want more jobs/wages" propaganda. The mans been bankrupt tons of times, doesn't pay taxes and won't release them, and is promising things that simply can't be done (bringing factory jobs back from China).
I mean, you'd have to be really, really uneducated to fall for that.
Racism and fear are the main factors here, simply put.
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I don't think both factors are mutually exclusive. For instance, during the 2008 primaries, Hillary was the champion of the white working class (Ironic  ) and she wrecked Obama with that demo. As a result he got bitter but he spoke the gospel nonetheless:
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You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
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And yes those guys are really, really uneducated.
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Media: Obama officially gives up on TPP.
Girl, let me just...I'm out.
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Leaving his legacy on a good note...
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Originally posted by HandsOn
Girl, I don't. I remember that all too well
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California had its own mini-Bush era, electing him twice  Actually, thrice. One recall, two regulars
Hard times, glad we grew up.
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Originally posted by Cupid
I don't buy this "Trump won because people want more jobs/wages" propaganda. The mans been bankrupt tons of times, doesn't pay taxes and won't release them, and is promising things that simply can't be done (bringing factory jobs back from China).
I mean, you'd have to be really, really uneducated to fall for that.
Racism and fear are the main factors here, simply put.
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I read this comment today on reddit and it had some insight in addition your comment
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Honestly, the vast majority of his supporters DO NOT CARE. That's not why they voted for him. To many of his supporters, this was all a big game. Like a football game. They just wanted him to win - for no other reason than to beat Hillary Clinton. That was it - at any cost. All a game. The only thing that will get them to realize the mistake they made is when many of them lose their jobs under a Trump administration. Short of that, they do not care about the impact to the country or to minorities, or gays, or women, or non-Christians, or any other segment of society. It was a game. Their man won. In the simplest terms, that's all they wanted. At any cost.
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Member Since: 12/22/2011
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Originally posted by hellocory
Jill's periscope debate shattering records with its 1,200 viewers
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A LEGEND...
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Originally posted by Saskia
If Trump had good policies, maybe I'd be on board. But instead his whole campaign was just a blanket excuse for his racist supporters because they want to "Make America Regressive Again"
Just 5.
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Progress was increasing the debt to 20 trillion plus, surge in use of gov't assistance (food stamps) Obamacare premium surge
Mmkay... 
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Originally posted by idkher
Anyone else still pretending this whole thing never happened?
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Nope
I'm living in reality and it feels wonderful
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Originally posted by mdnazn
Everyone called her campaign irrelevant and a nobody, yet everyone has been going in on her ass since Tuesday
Queen.
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Legends transcend time and space.
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At the end of the day, even if Clinton had won she would have faced an obstructive senate and house so ultimately I think this loss in a weird way will do the Dems a hell of a lot of good. Only the Republicans can be blamed from this point forward and, as Trump has shown, it's a lot easier to negate than to affirm what's going on in government.
Here's to a potential Dem-lash coming in 2018.
I'm ready.
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