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Discussion: Did bitterness towards whites propel Trump?
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Originally posted by monsterLd
But BLM and SJWs are making it worse. If anything before 2011 it was quiet. Never really heard of much racists attacks or anything. Since Brexit; Trump v Clinton; BLM etc. it has been a lot worse. It has just created a world that is evil and constantly going round and round in people throwing arguments. It's sickening and everyone just needs to shut the f*ck up and cone together. No "white trash" this or "black people" that.
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Racism did not begin in 2011. The BLM is in response to racism. However it is much easier for people to see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil because it makes certain people feel uncomfortable. I do not empathize with this type of angst.
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Originally posted by RoyalT
Thank you for the less aggressive tone. I don't care about "The nonbinary kid with blue hair", they can do whatever they want and I hope they express themselves in the best way they can. What I do care about is the de-legitimazation of views different than what liberals are feeding the media. You said earlier - "Maybe there's a third gender?" and maybe there is, but you must be open minded and except it that some people think that there are two or one or whatever, and let them be. You may want to think that every step to the left is the right step, but you'll have to accept that some people think differently. And no, you should not put people into boxes (Racist!! Homophob!! tetraphob!!!!), There are better way to deal with problematic people.
There is right and wrong, but some people have a different prespective than you on these ideas and you are not necesserily morally superior to them. This behavior is a milestone on the US way to fascism - and that's what scres me the most. And it could be hapenning in the same way with conservative and I'll have the exact same arguments.
PS: sorry for all the "you"s, it's nothing personal of course.
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Yes, this. Basically, the point I was trying to make in this thread was that every time someone has an opinion that is not as liberal as many would like, we shame them, call them racist / homophobic / etc. (when, in half the cases, they aren't) and isolate them + make them feel stupid for that. How many people did you think were going to be isolated before someone appealed to them? Someone who says "hey, your opinion is not delegitimized just because some liberals said it is." Now this is a stupid and misleading rhetoric, as just because someone says you're racist / homophobic or whatever, it's their opinion that you are and you don't have to accept it. But I guess people felt like their backs were against the wall on this one. That's why they voted for Trump. It wasn't because they thought "Hey, he's racist like me!!!!11" It's because they thought... "Hey, he's misunderstood like me. He's falsely accused of things just like me. He gets me. I may not agree with every single thing he says, but he at least understands me. I can identify with this person."
And in the long run, calling someone a cracker on twitter won't immediately drive that person to Trump. But things like this do build up over time. And I'm not saying that it's POC's fault for doing that, since similar things get done to them all the time. But I'm saying that there is a responsible way to act about things like this (being uncomfortable, remaining respectful even in the presence of disrespect) and irresponsible (losing your cool, jumping to shouting, pointing fingers, and blaming when disrespected). Now, it's COMPLETELY your choice, as you have the right to choose whatever option you want. But all of your actions combined really do make a difference. People (not just POC, also whites and other non-minorities) really need to start understanding that.
TLDR:
Cute little "witty" jabs like this:
are going to build up over time and cause people to do this:
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it kinda did but there's something deeper within white Americans, I just don't know what it is
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Originally posted by monsterLd
But BLM and SJWs are making it worse. If anything before 2011 it was quiet. Never really heard of much racists attacks or anything. Since Brexit; Trump v Clinton; BLM etc. it has been a lot worse. It has just created a world that is evil and constantly going round and round in people throwing arguments. It's sickening and everyone just needs to shut the f*ck up and cone together. No "white trash" this or "black people" that.
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This is just simply not true.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Racism did not begin in 2011. The BLM is in response to racism. However it is much easier for people to see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil because it makes certain people feel uncomfortable. I do not empathize with this type of angst.
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You can't deny that after BLM the whole world became WAY more divided.
BLM is all about ressentment and sadly that affected black people that were not angry before and now are and white people that have never been racist in their lifes.
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Originally posted by ToxDuris
You can't deny that after BLM the whole world became WAY more divided.
BLM is all about ressentment and sadly that affected black people that were not angry before and now are and white people that have never been racist in their lifes.
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But at the same time, you can't be mad at black people for fighting for their right. It's such a complex issue 
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Originally posted by ToxDuris
You can't deny that after BLM the whole world became WAY more divided.
BLM is all about ressentment and sadly that affected black people that were not angry before and now are and white people that have never been racist in their lifes.
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I can deny it. The division was always strong but just super covert and now it's more loud is all.
BLM isn't about resentment or specifically hating white people, but people have taken offense to even the the phrasing of the movement out of misunderstanding anyway.
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Originally posted by FBF
But at the same time, you can't be mad at black people for fighting for their right. It's such a complex issue |
BLM was a dangerous thing to do, because EVERY time a black person did something stupid, people pinned it on BLM. They made SURE that BLM was seen as a dangerous hate group by focusing on awful isolated examples, when in reality maybe 10% of them were radical.
Dumbasses like the ones who stormed the Bernie Sanders rally are probably who people think of when they think of Black Lives Matter. It's people like that which set a horrible example (as we know the worst of the worst will fly to the forefront of media  ). To be honest, this is why I never aligned myself with them. Because I knew they'd come to be so demonized and hated in the media that it'd be a step backwards to do so.
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Originally posted by FBF
But at the same time, you can't be mad at black people for fighting for their right. It's such a complex issue |
I know. But it's clearly not the right way to do it.
Anyways, I believe the ones that started this whole thing got what they wanted, to divide blacks and whites even more and create an anger movement against white people. It was just a matter of time for that to happen, the internet gave the resentful souls a voice and a power they never had before.
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Am I really seeing people say there was 'less racism' before BLM?!
There was just as much racism, but the difference was black people were just taking it.
The minute black people said 'we've had enough' white people couldn't take it anymore.
So you turn on western news and see 'black people in uproar' and 'black people mad' and that's because they have reason to.
There was just as much racism before, the only difference is white people not being able to handle minorities standing up for themselves.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
BLM was a dangerous thing to do, because EVERY time a black person did something stupid, people pinned it on BLM. They made SURE that BLM was seen as a dangerous hate group by focusing on awful isolated examples, when in reality maybe 10% of them were radical.
Dumbasses like the ones who stormed the Bernie Sanders rally are probably who people think of when they think of Black Lives Matter. It's people like that which set a horrible example (as we know the worst of the worst will fly to the forefront of media ). To be honest, this is why I never aligned myself with them. Because I knew they'd come to be so demonized and hated in the media that it'd be a step backwards to do so. |
So are you blaming them for how certain people perceive them?
Never mind the fact there are plenty who don't perceive them as a threat?
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Originally posted by St. Charles
BLM was a dangerous thing to do, because EVERY time a black person did something stupid, people pinned it on BLM. They made SURE that BLM was seen as a dangerous hate group by focusing on awful isolated examples, when in reality maybe 10% of them were radical.
Dumbasses like the one who stormed the Bernie Sanders rally are probably what people think when they think of Black Lives Matter. It's people like that which set a horrible example (as we know the worst of the worst will fly to the forefront of media ) To be honest, this is why I never aligned myself with them. Because I knew they'd come to be so demonized and hated in the media that it'd be a step backwards to do so. |
And that mentality goes both ways. BLM is anti-white, whites are racist. It's a mess everywhere you look.
BLM could've been bigger if the emphasis was made on positive things, a lot of non-black people were supportive of the organization and protesting with them. But it didn't fit the narrative BOTH sides are spreading. 
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Originally posted by ToxDuris
I know. But it's clearly not the right way to do it.
Anyways, I believe the ones that started this whole thing got what they wanted, to divide blacks and whites even more and create an anger movement against white people. It was just a matter of time for that to happen, the internet gave the resentful souls a voice and a power they never had before.
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What is the right way?
If this right way is so known, why is racism and power abuse still here?
They wanted more police transparency and they've gotten that to some degree with body cams so yea I guess they did get what they want a bit. Long way to go still.
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Originally posted by ToxDuris
I know. But it's clearly not the right way to do it.
Anyways, I believe the ones that started this whole thing got what they wanted, to divide blacks and whites even more and create an anger movement against white people. It was just a matter of time for that to happen, the internet gave the resentful souls a voice and a power they never had before.
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I truly don't believe it was the objective of BLM. It's a matter of what people, from both sides, want to see and highlight. Bad and good could've been seen out of BLM. We chose bad.
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Originally posted by FBF
And that mentality goes both ways. BLM is anti-white, whites are racist. It's a mess everywhere you look.
BLM could've been bigger if the emphasis was made on positive things, a lot of non-black people were supportive of the organization and protesting with them. But it didn't fit the narrative BOTH sides are spreading. |
Why do y'all keep saying this? BLM at it's true core isn't anti white focused...
There are people of all walks protesting with them still so...
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Originally posted by Shizuka
So are you blaming them for how certain people perceive them?
Never mind the fact there are plenty who don't perceive them as a threat?
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Absolutely not. I'm simply saying that there are going to be a few radical people no matter what, but the BLM movement was lumped together with these people unfairly. It's not their fault, but I did see it coming a mile away which is why I distanced myself from them.
There are plenty who don't perceive them as a threat, but there are plenty who really do (unfortunately). And it sucks because I know some of the people who are part of the movement (some of them aren't even black, lol) and they are some of the nicest people. Yet, they are portrayed as "angry tumblrinas who can't accept that black on black crime is the real issue!!!111" in order to delegitimize their honest concerns + opinions.
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Originally posted by ToxDuris
You can't deny that after BLM the whole world became WAY more divided.
BLM is all about ressentment and sadly that affected black people that were not angry before and now are and white people that have never been racist in their lifes.
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America was already divided, and the purpose of BLM was to take a stand. So yes, it made people - who were comfortable believing that racism ended with Brown V. Board of Education - upset. BLM challenged the norm, and this type of dialogue (such as explaining how racism is more than just lynching minorities), along with the progressive tone many young people were starting to take l, made certain people unhappy. White people, I believe, began to feel a loss of power in a system they feared would favor 'the other.'
BLM and SJWs did not create a divide, they finally reacted to the divide - which pissed off the white majority, would prefer no one react at all.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Absolutely not. I'm simply saying that there are going to be a few radical people no matter what, but the BLM movement was lumped together with these people unfairly. It's not their fault, but I did see it coming a mile away which is why I distanced myself from them.
There are plenty who don't perceive them as a threat, but there are plenty who really do (unfortunately). And it sucks because I know some of the people who are part of the movement (some of them aren't even black, lol) and they are some of the nicest people. Yet, they are portrayed as "angry tumblrinas who can't accept that black on black crime is the real issue!!!111" in order to delegitimize their honest concerns + opinions.
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So do you remove yourself from feminism because radicals are outspoken?
How about other social movements?
Plenty of people see other social movements as anti ___ due to radicals and it's because they want a reason to be easily dismissive.
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Originally posted by Shizuka
Why do y'all keep saying this? BLM at it's true core isn't anti white focused...
There are people of all walks protesting with them still so...
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I know ! I was talking the way it's perceived. Whites see BLM as anti-white, black people see whites as inherently racist. So it's a mess in every turn.
I agree with your second sentence sis, it's a fact read my other posts !
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Originally posted by FBF
I know ! I was talking the way it's perceived. Whites see BLM as anti-white, black people see whites as inherently racist. So it's a mess in every turn.
I agree with your second sentence sis, it's a fact read my other posts !
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Oh okay my bad, I'm speed reading lol.
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