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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by King Maxx
You're trying so hard to defend one poll when the others disagree. It's like you want Trump to beat Hillary. Every time a poll favors him you're so quick to say it's accurate.
I've watched Quinnipiac polls since this election cycle started, and they have been wrong the most. Along with YouGov. I despise those two so much. And it's not just cuz I'm biased for Hillary. Even when it comes to Obama's approval ratings is he doing worse than other pollsters.
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But the others don't disagree? The others all show a downward trend towards Trump away from Hillary. Quinnipiac is in line with that. I'm only defending that particular poll because it's from a good pollster  . Personally I'm not a fan of them but they shouldn't get written off just because. I try not to put my personal political preferences in my views of the polls but trust me I do not want Trump to hear Hillary.
I disagree with them being wrong the most this primary cycle though. They've been pretty good in a number of states, like Florida, New York, and Ohio
Don't wanna seem like a Debbie Downer but eh...it's who I am 
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by King Maxx
You're trying so hard to defend one poll when the others disagree. It's like you want Trump to beat Hillary. Every time a poll favors him you're so quick to say it's accurate.
I've watched Quinnipiac polls since this election cycle started, and they have been wrong the most. Along with YouGov. I despise those two so much. And it's not just cuz I'm biased for Hillary. Even when it comes to Obama's approval ratings is he doing worse than other pollsters.
I'm not mad at the poll because she's losing, I'm just not trusting it when five other great pollsters have her up. And no one should be believing Hillary is down in Florida to Trump. Ohio? Yes, they might be on the mark there. I still stick by my claim that it's harder to reach Hispanics. And that's for every single pollster. It's why her leads in Califronia were bigger than what the polls said.
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I've noticed that, as well. It's like they want Hillary to be doing worse than she actually is, for some strange reason
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Wait people really think I support Trump? After how many months I've been in this thread conversing with you all over Hillary?
Well...that's definitely a new one.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Wait people really think I support Trump? After how many months I've been in this thread conversing with you all over Hillary?
Well...that's definitely a new one.
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I don't think that, but I do think it's very strange how eager you are to defend any and all polls that favor Trump.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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the more i think about it, the more Warren doesn't make sense. The GOP already HATES Hillary enough. Adding Warren would add a whole lotta moderate/conservative democrats into hating the ticket and Hillary is left with a Bernie constituency. She may as well declare herself a socialist, rip off her clothes, and start sprinting to Vermont in clogs.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
the more i think about it, the more Warren doesn't make sense. The GOP already HATES Hillary enough. Adding Warren would add a whole lotta moderate/conservative democrats into hating the ticket and Hillary is left with a Bernie constituency. She may as well declare herself a socialist, rip off her clothes, and start sprinting to Vermont in clogs.
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That's an absurd notion. Moderate democrats don't hate Warren, she's pretty universally loved by the left. And Warren does not equal Bernie by any means.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
the more i think about it, the more Warren doesn't make sense. The GOP already HATES Hillary enough. Adding Warren would add a whole lotta moderate/conservative democrats into hating the ticket and Hillary is left with a Bernie constituency. She may as well declare herself a socialist, rip off her clothes, and start sprinting to Vermont in clogs.
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The moderate left won't get mad at Warren all of a sudden, this is weird 
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
the more i think about it, the more Warren doesn't make sense. The GOP already HATES Hillary enough. Adding Warren would add a whole lotta moderate/conservative democrats into hating the ticket and Hillary is left with a Bernie constituency. She may as well declare herself a socialist, rip off her clothes, and start sprinting to Vermont in clogs.
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This line of thinking doesn't match the changing electorate anymore.
Also, this would only be an issue if Kasich was her opponent - he is not. It's fine for Hillary to move more left when her opponent is a far-right ticket. Moderate Dems are not going to run to an anti-LGBT, racist, anti-woman ticket just because Warren is her VP.
Perez or Warren need to be her VP - Perez will be good to help bring Latino voters over to the Dems for a generation to come. Picking Kaine to appease centrist Dems will be short-sighted.
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
That's an absurd notion. Moderate democrats don't hate Warren, she's pretty universally loved by the left. And Warren does not equal Bernie by any means.
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idk about that. There's a good chunk of Democrats that are well off who don't like Warren's demonizing of businesses and wall street. Hence why they supported Hillary over Bernie this go around.
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
The moderate left won't get mad at Warren all of a sudden, this is weird |
Some already don't like her.
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Originally posted by Communion
This line of thinking doesn't match the changing electorate anymore.
Also, this would only be an issue if Kasich was her opponent - he is not. It's fine for Hillary to move more left when her opponent is a far-right ticket. Moderate Dems are not going to run to an anti-LGBT, racist, anti-woman ticket just because Warren is her VP.
Perez or Warren need to be her VP - Perez will be good to help bring Latino voters over to the Dems for a generation to come. Picking Kaine to appease centrist Dems will be short-sighted.
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The problem isn't the opponent. The problem is that it wouldn't change much of anything. Democrats don't have anyone moderate to vote for if they didn't like Hillary. Trump and Pence are both monstrous in similar ways to most liberals/moderates. Warren doesn't add anything that Hillary doesn't already automaically get by being the lesser evil. And Warren has shaded Hillary and even Obama so many times. I doubt that 2006 video (which admittedly I helped circulate) is doing many favors.
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Originally posted by Communion
This line of thinking doesn't match the changing electorate anymore.
Also, this would only be an issue if Kasich was her opponent - he is not. It's fine for Hillary to move more left when her opponent is a far-right ticket. Moderate Dems are not going to run to an anti-LGBT, racist, anti-woman ticket just because Warren is her VP.
Perez or Warren need to be her VP - Perez will be good to help bring Latino voters over to the Dems for a generation to come. Picking Kaine to appease centrist Dems will be short-sighted.
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Yeah I think a Latino pick (i.e. Perez, Becerra or even Castro) would be smart from a long-term point of view. She needs to keep the Obama coalition together and a big part of that is the minority vote. I do think she has one eye on 2020 when the GOP may field a much more diverse nominee.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
The problem isn't the opponent. The problem is that it wouldn't change much of anything. Democrats don't have anyone moderate to vote for if they didn't like Hillary. Trump and Pence are both monstrous in similar ways to most liberals/moderates. Warren doesn't add anything that Hillary doesn't already automaically get by being the lesser evil.
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I don't know. It's always bothered me that younger (ie: more liberal/progressive) voters are treated horribly by Democrats and told to "get in line," like when Bernie didn't get the nomination, but the party at large tip-toes around grown adults in their 40s who threaten to go running to the Republicans at the mere mention of making rich people pay their dues and the end of careless capitalism.
Just put the same pressure on moderate Democrats that the party is doing the most right now with young voters, aka "you'll be why Trump wins and ruins America!" and the lesser evil preaching if they get turned off by Warren.
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Originally posted by Communion
I don't know. It's always bothered me that younger (ie: more liberal/progressive) voters are treated horribly by Democrats and told to "get in line," like when Bernie didn't get the nomination, but the party at large tip-toes around grown adults in their 40s who threaten to go running to the Republicans at the mere mention of making rich people pay their dues and the end of careless capitalism.
Just put the same pressure on moderate Democrats that the party is doing the most right now with young voters, aka "you'll be why Trump wins and ruins America!" and the lesser evil preaching if they get turned off by Warren.
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Moderates make up a much bigger part of the electorate.
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Originally posted by Radiance
Moderates make up a much bigger part of the electorate.
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I know, but that doesn't stop the faulty logic behind pushing that type of rhetoric on liberal voters yet being too afraid to discomfort moderate voters with it.
Especially when moderate voters are typically older and older voters are supposed to be more pragmatic.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Some already don't like her.
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Well they can stay mad!
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
I don't think that, but I do think it's very strange how eager you are to defend any and all polls that favor Trump.
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Oh come on you know that's not true. Receipts? Because I'm like 60% sure that isn't true
This literally is the first poll I've ever defended that happened to be in Trump's favor. I usually use aggregates like Radiance says which is smarter.
I admit I'm not the most...enthusiastic? Maybe that's not the word, probably positive. I'm not the most positive Hillary supporter around here, clearly, but I'm not pro Trump nor am I hoping Clinton is performing worse than what the polls show. I just call polls like I see them
With that being said, I am totally on the Warren train 
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...s-dry-cleaning
FURIOUS CHRISTIE REFUSES TO PICK UP TRUMP’S DRY CLEANING
Governor Chris Christie, of New Jersey, angrily refused to pick up Donald Trump’s dry cleaning during a tense encounter between the two men on Friday, campaign sources confirm.
The ugly scene unfolded at the billionaire’s offices in midtown Manhattan, shortly after Trump revealed that his Vice-Presidential pick would be Governor Mike Pence of Indiana.
According to Trump aides, Christie stomped into the presumptive Republican nominee’s office and hurled a dry-cleaning ticket onto his desk, telling Trump, “You can pick up your own damn dry cleaning.”
The New Jersey governor then stormed out, and has not been seen by Trump or his staffers since.
If this is true
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Christie really is such a bitch I believe it.
Y'all giving me hope for Warren again 
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Hillary doesn't need to pick a Latino VP to sercure the Latino vote for a generation to come. She just needs to pass comprehensive immigration reform, and that'll do the trick. That's why she already has said that'll be priority #1 as soon as she is inaugurated.
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Hillary doesn't need to pick a Latino VP to sercure the Latino vote for a generation to come. She just needs to pass comprehensive immigration reform, and that'll do the trick. That's why she already has said that'll be priority #1 as soon as she is inaugurated.
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!!! It's going to have the same effect LBJ had on black voters with the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.
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@Communion Older voters are more reliable voters, and young voters become more moderate as they grow older. That's how it's always been.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by King Maxx
@Communion Older voters are more reliable voters, and young voters become more moderate as they grow older. That's how it's always been.
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You're not getting what I'm saying. I know this. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in telling young people to be pragmatic when moderates are some of the worst to threaten with their vote when challenged even in the slightest way.
Hillary doesn't need to pander to them when the only other option is Trump. If they want to stomp their feet because of a Warren VP-pick - good, let them suffer.
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I've said it before and will say it again until she makes her pick - Al Franken is the best person for the VP position. She needs to consider him.
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