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Poll: Superiority: Britney vs Janet: Who's career is superior?
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View Poll Results: As a WHOLE, who has the superior career?
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Britney Jean Spears
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56.72% |
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Janet Jackson
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43.28% |
Member Since: 6/15/2010
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Originally posted by tcweh
And Janet's had plenty of memorable videos and moments so what exactly are you on about?
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Exactly, I'm saying that's what makes them BOTH icons. According to chanel only "things that haven't been done before" are considered iconic  . Good luck finding any of that.
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by YoYo
Right, you're calling other people delusional yet you're the one pretending to be in touch with the 7 billion people living on earth.
Your argument of what defines iconic is SENSELESS and faulty. What did Janet do that hasn't been done before? It's about having a memorable career; memorable performances, memorable songs, memorable videos, memorable MOMENTS, that's what defines being an icon.
when she's 46? being after 30 years in her career? that's still more time it took people to forget about Janet ^_^.
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No I do not know the 7 billion people in the world but I do know only a very small fraction knows who Britney Spears is and only a even smaller fraction would consider her iconic.
"It's about having a memorable career; memorable performances, memorable songs, memorable videos, memorable MOMENTS, that's what defines being an icon."
The could apply to ANYBODY. Everyone had those moments in their career. So once again, what makes her an icon.
I even stated earlier that even Janet's iconic status has been up for debate.
So that even further assures me that Britney definitely isn't one.
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Originally posted by YoYo
Exactly, I'm saying that's what makes them BOTH icons. According to chanel only "things that haven't been done before" are considered iconic . Good luck finding any of that. |
I said more than that. There are things that she can do that haven't been done before. I'm not talking about just dance/ performance wise. It could be influence or success. Of course nothing under the sun is "new"..... But you would pick out that one thing and so conviently evade all of the other questions. It's okay if you don't have an answer. Just admit it.
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Originally posted by chanel
No I do not know the 7 billion people in the world but I do know only a very small fraction knows who Britney Spears is and only a even smaller fraction would consider her iconic.
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Originally posted by chanel
No I do not know the 7 billion people in the world but I do know only a very small fraction knows who Britney Spears is and only a even smaller fraction would consider her iconic.
"It's about having a memorable career; memorable performances, memorable songs, memorable videos, memorable MOMENTS, that's what defines being an icon."
The could apply to ANYBODY. Everyone had those moments in their career. So once again, what makes her an icon.
I even stated earlier that even Janet's iconic status has been up for debate.
So that even further assures me that Britney definitely isn't one.
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Mind you that Britney is very influential.
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Originally posted by chanel
No I do not know the 7 billion people in the world but I do know only a very small fraction knows who Britney Spears is and only a even smaller fraction would consider her iconic.
"It's about having a memorable career; memorable performances, memorable songs, memorable videos, memorable MOMENTS, that's what defines being an icon."
The could apply to ANYBODY. Everyone had those moments in their career. So once again, what makes her an icon..
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You can't possibly be serious?  I can name at least 25 one-hit wonders from ONE DECADE that don't have any of that. Not even close.
And I can't even form a response to "I do know only a very small fraction knows who Britney Spears is"  , where the hell do you live?
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An icon is something that represents another thing.
A symbol.
Whitney, Mariah, and Celine are vocal/singing icons.
Britney IS a pop icon. If you want to get specific, a "teen pop" icon mostly.
But, an icon nonetheless.
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by chanel
Janet is more pop than any of them were. Janet(minus Tina) also crossed over post Thriller. Before Thriller no R&B acts crossed over like that. Not even MJ himself.
While Janet music us more R&B compared to say Whitney's earlier music, she still isn't in that category. Anita Baker, Toni Braxton, Vanessa Williams, Stephanie Mills, SWV, En Vogue are r&b acts more along the line of the ladies you mentioned
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Control - TVR are all R&B albums. There's some mixing of genres with each album, but the base of each of them is R&B. They just so happen to cross over because of Janet's popularity and pop radio's welcoming of R&B.
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Originally posted by tcweh
All of Britneys hits are disposable. They might be praised as hell on this board, but none of them have aged as well as Janet's Classic "Together Again"...Least not where I'm from anyways.And Janet's had plenty of memorable videos and moments so what exactly are you on about?
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You're always on some "at least where I'm from". No one cares. The answer is Britney so the Janet stans can stop slapping their dicks together bashing Britney and deal with this.
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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net worth ✔
awards won ✔
influence/impact ✔
iconic moments ✔
critical reception ✔
star power ✔
album sales ✔
single sales ✔
record sales ✔
touring receipts ✔
global appeal ✔
Add whatever you want.
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Britney is not an icon???
LOL
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Duca has arrived 
Anyway, I adore them both and I shouldn't have bashed Janet like that  I still wanna know where Chanel lives though  .
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by YoYo
Janet's career....confuses me. She certainly has the credentials to be a certified legend but it just doesn't feel that way. You think after 15+ years in the industry, you'd hold more weight to the general public and the industry that flashing a tit ring on T.V wouldn't kill your entire career. In contrast to Britney, who damn sure did her best to do that 2005-2007 and still found a lot of success after; such longevity and power is only attainable to few icons and legends, and Janet isn't one of them.
And I'm not trying to take anything from her, she's still a huge icon 'till this day but Britney has her beat in that category.
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Janet doesn't have IT.
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Originally posted by Willy.
I also realized that Janet outgrossed Britney with her recent tour as well.
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In what world?
She grossed $13.1 million from 31 shows in North America, with an average of $422,581 per show.
She grossed $2.8 million from 14 international shows, with an average of $200,000 per show.
The tour grossed less than $28 million from 80 shows, otherwise she would have made the year-end chart. She grossed approximately $22.4 million in North America from 53 shows, and $5.4 million from the 27 international shows.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
-Touring Gross: Janet has out grossed Britney with the same amount of tours
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No one's here for inflation. 'Femme Fatale' grossed as much as Janet's biggest tour and Janet never had a $100 million-grossing tour.
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Originally posted by YoYo
You can't possibly be serious? I can name at least 25 one-hit wonders from ONE DECADE that don't have any of that. Not even close.
And I can't even form a response to "I do know only a very small fraction knows who Britney Spears is" , where the hell do you live? |
Yea it could apply to anybody. Duh im not ralking about one hit wonders. BUT.... There are many artist over the years who have those things that were listed and aren't icons.
So you really think that a BIG portion of the 7billion knows who Britney is???? That's a stretch for anybody including Jesus.
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
An icon is something that represents another thing.
A symbol.
Whitney, Mariah, and Celine are vocal/singing icons.
Britney IS a pop icon. If you want to get specific, a "teen pop" icon mostly.
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Yes an icon does represent something. That defines icon in terms of literature, not what makes a music artist iconic. If iconic for music is determined that damn loosely then ANY artist who is popular at one point in tine can be "iconic". But Britney's career is not ICONIC. Has Britney been successful... Yes but she is NOT ICONIC.
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Originally posted by Duca
In what world?
She grossed $13.1 million from 31 shows in North America, with an average of $422,581 per show.
She grossed $2.8 million from 14 international shows, with an average of $200,000 per show.
The tour grossed less than $28 million from 80 shows, otherwise she would have made the year-end chart. She grossed approximately $22.4 million in North America from 53 shows, and $5.4 million from the 27 international shows.
No one's here for inflation. 'Femme Fatale' grossed as much as Janet's biggest tour and Janet never had a $100 million-grossing tour. |
Inflation does matter. You can't compare prices from 20 years ago to today. When 20 years ago gas ran less than $1 gallon and today it averages $3 gallon. Come the f*ck on. Now if you want to go by attendance, you can say that. 1person will ALWAYS equal 1person
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Control - TVR are all R&B albums. There's some mixing of genres with each album, but the base of each of them is R&B. They just so happen to cross over because of Janet's popularity and pop radio's welcoming of R&B. |
No they are not ALL R&B albums. R&B influenced, YES. R&B by today's standards, YES.... But for back then NO.
That's what I mean by the "r&b" they did vs the "R&B" Janet did is different.
Janet is more pop than R&B.
Same goes for Whitney, Prince and MJ.
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Britney. Janet is almost as local as they get.
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