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Poll: Is R&B absolute trash right now?
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View Poll Results: Is the current state of R&B absolute trash?
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Yes, currently, R&B as a whole is trash... maybe even the worst it's ever been.
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16.55% |
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Well, it's not currently the best, but R&B is actually not that bad, right now, either.
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27.59% |
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No, R&B is great right now and it is making a big comeback soon.
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46.21% |
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R&B has always been and will always be trash.
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Exactly. R&B is a very exclusive genrethat select communities enjoy for the most part. With all due respect, I like my music universal.
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So you need music to be at the top of the charts to like it. Okay. 
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Originally posted by Hugamari
I know this is going to make me sound completely ignorant, but I did not even realize 'Happy' was R&B. These topics always make me confused as to what's pop and what's R&B.
Also, what makes songs like 'What's My Name?' and 'Rude Boy' R&B, but 'Diamonds' pop? I am completely lost as to what R&B is at this point. Whatever, lemme change my stance on what I said earlier.
I do not like most 'slow' R&B songs. I was not aware upbeat R&B existed, but I guess it does. 'Yeah!' is great, and apparently that's R&B.
If anyone would care to help an ignorant person out, it would be much appreciated.
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I don't really know how to explain this but long story short, like Pop, R&B has many different faces and facets to its personality. R&B wasn't created in the 90s or the 80s. It's been a lifelong genre that has evolved and is still evolving into different territories and sounds. Up-beat R&B has always existed, mid-tempo, balladry, R&B can be anything you want it to be, just like Pop music. R&B doesn't necessarily need to have an urban tone to be R&B. It's very difficult to explain how to point out if a song is specifically R&B,it isn't as frequently "in your face" as Pop usually is (but it can be), but it's ok to want to keep learning and the fact that you had the balls to ask, instead of these lame people on this thread just jumping on the "it's absolute trash" bandwagon because they know nothing about it, says a lot about your character. Just research. Go on youtube. Check iTunes! R&B comes in many shapes and sizes. Check out the songs people have posted on this thread. And enjoy
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Originally posted by Hugamari
I wasn't, though.  I always assumed that the slower songs like Waterfalls was R&B, and then more upbeat songs like Survivor was a derivation of pop. Guess I know now. |
Well DC's survivor album was their most Pop sounding album, but still lol.
R&B comes in many different forms.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Did you think all upbeat R&B songs were classified as a "pop music"?
I can't say I'm surprised. |
No, I said I didn't know upbeat R&B existed. Wouldn't that be different?
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No. Elle Varner, Marsha Ambrosius, and Janelle Monae aren't trash.
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Member Since: 5/25/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Ke$ha is damaging pop music, or the public's opinion of pop music |
If you would like to discuss Ke$ha and pop music, I implore you to create a separate
discussion thread or visit the Ke$ha Base, located here. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Originally posted by Nippy'sReceipts
Everything's cyclical. It will get better in due time. R&B is just too soulless right now imo because it's too moody, monotone, minimalistic, & low on melody in its current state. Someone dynamic needs to breathe new life to r&b and alleviate what 808's and Heartbreak did to the genre.
The question is who? Frank and Miguel are quite dynamic. My money is still on Usher. He has the most potential to turn things around.
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Usher plays it safe all the time. He isn't going to be helpful, in the least.
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Originally posted by Blueberry Mary
So honey, having a weak voice automatically makes their work "absolute trash". What ever happened to the lyrics? Song structure? Production?. Does that mean Ke$ha is trash too because she hasn't got a voice like Beyonce?
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You don't need to have a powerhouse voice, but you do need to have quality and character. Ke$ha's voice has character. Britney Spears' voice has character. Artists like Aaliyah or Kylie Minogue or Cassie, for instance, don't have much of a voice, but their voices are very honest, pure and recognizable. Sevyn Streeter possesses none of these qualities. Her voice is bland and lifeless with no interesting qualities whatsoever, but on top of that, her music is embarrassingly mediocre.
Sevyn Streeter one of the reasons why R&B is in the tragic state it's in.
...Vin
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Janelle Monae & Miguel - Primetime says hello
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BTW R&B didn't become so urban influenced until the 90s with the New Jack Swing movement.
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Bolded I thought was pop.
Yeah! I thought was part of the early 2000's evolution of dance in mainstream.
Never heard the others.
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Oh girl. Bless your heart. 
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This Genette Claudette girl is slaying me rn 
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Originally posted by Cardinal_Luis
I don't really know how to explain this but long story short, like Pop, R&B has many different faces and facets to its personality. R&B wasn't created in the 90s or the 80s. It's been a lifelong genre that has evolved and is still evolving into different territories and sounds. Up-beat R&B has always existed, mid-tempo, balladry, R&B can be anything you want it to be, just like Pop music. R&B doesn't necessarily need to have an urban tone to be R&B. It's very difficult to explain how to point out if a song is specifically R&B,it isn't as frequently "in your face" as Pop usually is (but it can be), but it's ok to want to keep learning and the fact that you had the balls to ask, instead of these lame people on this thread just jumping on the "it's absolute trash" bandwagon because they know nothing about it, says a lot about your character. Just research. Go on youtube. Check iTunes! R&B comes in many shapes and sizes. Check out the songs people have posted on this thread. And enjoy |
Thank you for actually trying to help, rather than just bolding a part of my statement and shading me. I thought people would be more understanding if I admitted I didn't know much of the genre and was willing to learn, but guess not. >.<
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Originally posted by JLO_FeEN
Oh girl. Bless your heart. |
Some of these other people don't seem to have all that cute of a grasp on what's R&B though, either. There's been debates on what type of music Drake makes and what genre Pharell's 'Happy' is. At least I can admit I don't know it all that well. 
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Originally posted by I Am Music
I love it, It stays on heavy rotation on my iPod.
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Yassssss!!
"Do You" is still my jam! "Don't Look Back" is my life anthem. And "How Many Drinks" is my car/lipsynch jam! 
Ughhh so many memories from last Summer sis. 
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Originally posted by Vin
If you would like to discuss Ke$ha and pop music, I implore you to create a separate
discussion thread or visit the Ke$ha Base, located here. Thank you for your cooperation.
...Vin |
No, it's a very valid point that you refuse to properly address. It seems that every time an artist starts to get massive success out of nowhere, you start to make these threads to try and discredit the success of said artists. "Is she a fad?", "Is she ruining said genre?", "Is she a one-hit wonder?" as if you hate when they get sudden acclaim and public love. 
How do you suddenly have a problem with something that has been happening for years? It doesn't make much sense at all, and it makes your point - more often than not - seem pretty moot. Is this about the state of R&B, or the fact that you hate to see Pharrell succeeding or getting unexpected love from the public? I think it's the latter because "Happy" isn't really all that "R&B".
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Thank you for actually trying to help, rather than just bolding a part of my statement and shading me. I thought people would be more understanding if I admitted I didn't know much of the genre and was willing to learn, but guess not. >.<
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Yeah, don't pay them any mind, they just like being mean lol. But yeah check out Dawn Richard! Love her. I like to label her as "Epic R&B" lol her R&B is very dreamy and progressive. She has a few pop/dance tracks too like "Riot" and "Faith." Check her out!
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Thank you for actually trying to help, rather than just bolding a part of my statement and shading me. I thought people would be more understanding if I admitted I didn't know much of the genre and was willing to learn, but guess not. >.<
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I can help you out a lil luv.
What ya need.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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Originally posted by Cardinal_Luis
Yeah, don't pay them any mind, they just like being mean lol. But yeah check out Dawn Richard! Love her. I like to label her as "Epic R&B" lol her R&B is very dreamy and progressive. She has a few pop/dance tracks too like "Riot" and "Faith." Check her out!
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I heard her demo for Zendaya's 'Fireflies' (or is it not a demo, but a song she was originally going to use herself, but sold?), and I'm not even sure if that's R&B. It's really beautiful, but I haven't really tried listening to her outside of that.
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Originally posted by Callisto.
I can help you out a lil luv.
What ya need.
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I'd really just like to be able to tell when a song is R&B, because I am just as confused as I was yesterday as what qualifies a song as R&B.
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Some of these other people don't seem to have all that cute of a grasp on what's R&B though, either. There's been debates on what type of music Drake makes and what genre Pharell's 'Happy' is. At least I can admit I don't know it all that well. |
Awwwww. Well since you're fairly "new" at this it'll take awhile to understand.
Maybe me and some of the girls can make a short list of R&B bops throughout the decades for you, so you can kind of see the evolution of the sounds of R&B.
To make it easier, I say start from the Motown era and start your way up through the decades, and stay heavily during the 90s where R&B was at it's prime. R&B getting close to the millenium and throughout the early 00s were heavily influenced by Hip Hop. This could be seen by many R&B/Hip-Hop collaborations from Beyonce, J.Lo, Ashanti, etc., and even Rap artists. But we are talking mainstream here.
There are many artists bts, especially many R&B/Soul artists, and there are many artists who have placed their mark with R&B classics, on the charts or not, and have left but are still respected and heard.
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Arent 3 of the top 5 in the top 40 R&B songs?? Why is this even a topic?
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Wait @ this thread still going on. The longevity. This is clearly a more serious issue than I had thought 
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