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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Originally posted by Retro
US politics gets so tedious and boring with two parties. I mean, the Democrats are obviously right and the Republicans are obviously wrong, so...
I guess that's why primaries are more exciting for politinerds and why they often attract more radical voters.
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This isn't meant as an insult, but just be aware that the rise of this attitude (and its reverse) is exactly what is causing our system to become more polarized and less effective.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Mike91
Yes, Hillary supporters are not making sense. You pick and choose the facts and constantly take every argument make it go in circles, even when your opinion is proven wrong.
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Provide me five examples of our opinions being proven wrong? Most of what we discuss is speculative and entirely subjective.
I study computer science and I love a good proof. So, show me five of them.
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Bernie is different from Obama because Obama never went as far to the left.
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... And Bernie (should he win) would be going in with a Republican, conservative Congress which would make him even less likely to accomplish his goals given he's much more to the left... How does that "not make sense"?
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He tried to play ball with republicans, which is what's caused nothing to get done.
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No he didn't... The biggest criticism of Obama is that he never tried to work with Republicans...
http://theweek.com/articles/450446/o...rk-republicans
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The base has been unenergized because Obama refused to take advantage of the base he built. He got them out to vote to re-elect him but that was about it. Same thing will happen with Hillary, but even less because she has nowhere near the appeal of Obama.
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None of this (regarding the outcome of a Bernie win or a Hillary win) is based on facts. It's all your interpretation of what would happen, rather than looking into history and common sense reasoning.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by Bloo
If you would rather a Republican win just in spite of Hillary getting the nomination... You probably shouldn't be in politics. This isn't a pop music award show.
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Exactly. Bernie Bros aren't just against Hilary's policies they actually hate her as a person and say extremely nasty things about her and Bill, call her names like B**** and W****. Worst of all they say they would rather have Donald as a president than Hillary  what is wrong with them?
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Reza
Exactly. Bernie Bros aren't just against Hilary's policies they actually hate her as a person and say extremely nasty things about her and Bill, call her names like B**** and W****. Worst of all they say they would rather have Donald as a president than Hillary what is wrong with them? |
Honestly, I think it's a thing of maturity. I hate to say that, I really do. But I don't understand supporting someone so far to the left as Bernie and then saying you'd rather vote for Trump (someone who is radically against everything Bernie stands for) over Hillary (someone Bernie has himself even said he would want his supporters to support should he lose the nomination) simply because she's not Bernie. That is nothing but a lack of political maturity. I find it hilarious how Bernie fans combat the stereotype that they are young, uninformed, politically immature voters, but then will say stuff like that.
Disclaimer: I am not saying all Bernie fans are like this. I have plenty of friends that are Bernie supporters and I have plenty of healthy, political conversations with them. But, his extremist fans are the ones I'm referring to.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Sometimes I wonder if some people are aware that Hillary supporters also... agree with Hillary more. It doesn't seem like some people are aware.
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Originally posted by alexanderao
This isn't meant as an insult, but just be aware that the rise of this attitude (and its reverse) is exactly what is causing our system to become more polarized and less effective.
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While it was mostly a joke, I think I'm going to stand by the assertion that the Republican party has made a collective fool of itself and is generally just wrong lately.
They've subscribed to ignorance with regard to social issues and extremism on most fiscal policies. If they weren't so awful to be quite honest, I wouldn't say these things.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Retro
Sometimes I wonder if some people are aware that Hillary supporters also... agree with Hillary more. It doesn't seem like some people are aware.
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We only agree with her more because we're uninformed and are secretly Republicans.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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On the topic of the two-party system, maybe three or five parties would actually be best. Make it an odd number and allow different combinations to ally themselves on particular issues so that things actually do get done, based on the will of the general public.
Or maybe redistribution of power among the three branches to better accommodate for the obstructionist movement that's become more strong in modern times.
Or maybe some combination thereof. I don't know.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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I'm only here for a two-party system. (Dem & Rep) with the Republicans self-destructing themselves completely within the next 20 years and being replaced by the Libertarian Party.
Sounds like a healthy debate in the future. Rep should've stayed in the 80s tbh. 
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Supreme Court upholds lower court decision holding that North Caroline gerrymandering was illegal.
Wondering how this will resonate.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by Bloo
Honestly, I think it's a thing of maturity. I hate to say that, I really do. But I don't understand supporting someone so far to the left as Bernie and then saying you'd rather vote for Trump (someone who is radically against everything Bernie stands for) over Hillary (someone Bernie has himself even said he would want his supporters to support should he lose the nomination) simply because she's not Bernie. That is nothing but a lack of political maturity. I find it hilarious how Bernie fans combat the stereotype that they are young, uninformed, politically immature voters, but then will say stuff like that.
Disclaimer: I am not saying all Bernie fans are like this. I have plenty of friends that are Bernie supporters and I have plenty of healthy, political conversations with them. But, his extremist fans are the ones I'm referring to.
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I agree. well said 
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
I can only hope Bernie gets the democratic nomination so I can finally vote republican, go on Fox News for starting Gays for Trump, and become a political commentator there
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King Trump for President.
But seriously though. Trump isn't that bad a people claim him to be. He's just a loud mouth clown that makes you laugh every time.
I like him because he's an economist first than anything else. And I'd love to see how the US will run under an economist like him.
I see Trump more central than a Republican. In regards to his stance on gay rights, I don't even think he's that bad. I think he's just sating those radical things because he needs to gather them hennys and get their votes.
Now, Cruz, Bush and the others are the ones I'm actually scared of.
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Member Since: 5/8/2012
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I'm a little skeptical about Bernies congress too but if he could go as far as to win the nomination, who's to say he couldn't rally the millennials/his big supporters to vote in the congressional elections? I'd rather take my chances with him than with someone with a history of flip flopping and dishonesty and snuggling up with big banks and corporations that f*ck people like my family over.
I don't like the two party system, either. Seriously regretting registering as a democrat.
Relevant: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wCGHPuuo894
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Mike91
Yes, Hillary supporters are not making sense. You pick and choose the facts and constantly take every argument make it go in circles, even when your opinion is proven wrong. Bernie is different from Obama because Obama never went as far to the left. He tried to play ball with republicans, which is what's caused nothing to get done. No one was excited about his willingness to play ball with a party that outright said they wouldn't work with him. The base has been unenergized because Obama refused to take advantage of the base he built. He got them out to vote to re-elect him but that was about it. Same thing will happen with Hillary, but even less because she has nowhere near the appeal of Obama.
I'll "kii" because the democrats will choose to vote the candidate they think is the most electable, meanwhile her own damn party doesn't trust her.  And then what happens if she gets indicted? The issue might be swept under the rug for now but something is eventually going to happen with it. You really think that's not going to destroy the democratic party to have it's own candidate indicted? Bernie might be a socialist, but studies show that most Americans love socialist policies, they just don't like the term. Thats because most Americans aren't well educated.
It's the Hillary supporters who are going to destroy this election. Bernie has appeal on both sides of the aisle but everyone wants to elect the person who is currently under federal investigation because they think she's the "safe" choice. |
LMFAO OMG! I haven't had that big of a laugh at something posted on here in a minute, so thank you for that.
But yeah, you honestly have NO IDEA what you're talking about.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Marvin
Well single-payer is smarter so 
Obama really was a great candidate but in the end could not accomplish what he wanted to do because of Congress. This won't happen again with Bernie, I just know it. |
Oh seriously god bless you! Even though your outlook on this is super naive, its still nice and refreshing to see.
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Member Since: 1/8/2011
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In the past week or so I've gotten over the Hillary vs. Bernie fight.
Let's just get over it and nominate Hillary already. 
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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When do we start getting some real results from today's caucuses and primaries? 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Apocalipstick
When do we start getting some real results from today's caucuses and primaries? |
Around 2pm CT, 1pm MT, 12pm PT!
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Eros
Around 2pm CT, 1pm MT, 12pm PT!
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Thanks!
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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We actually may not have any results until a little bit after that! Polls open up at 11am PT but it's only after they close when we will see results (unless he meant coverage instead of results)
As for South Carolina, polls close at 7pm EST (someone check me just in case) so for that we won't see results at least until then
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Retro
And that's an absolutely terrifying thought.
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Is this what people feel in the right wing of the Democratic party?
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