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Poll: Bigger Impact: Mariah Carey vs. Whitney Houston
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View Poll Results: Mim vs. Nippy
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Mariah Carey
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Whitney Houston
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
Did you forget that Look to You had the highest first week sales by a female in 2009? That it was platinum and was her biggest peaking album in the U.K + other countries since the 90s? That she had her first Top 5 single in the U.K in years? |
Mariah also released an album that year in the UK and it only got to #23 but Whitney was the one who was local... That makes absolutely no sense.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Your right. Actually, Chaka Khan did it too, while we're at it. That wasn't my point at all. My point was, MC's song, the Fantasy Remix, influenced everyone else. Not Brandy, The Force MD's, not Chaka Khan, but Mariah Carey.
Her influence is undeniable really. We're still seeing it happen. What business does Katy Perry have featuring Kanye West? Pop/Hip Hop collaborations were rare before Fantasy, but after... not so much.
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Did you not read my last response to you?
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Mariah was not the first to start it. She was revolutionary because of her IMAGE: a pop diva incorporating hip-hop. THAT'S what was startling, that's what was new. And that's what influenced Beyonce, Christina, Britney, Katy Perry etc. have incorporated hip-hop artists in their work.
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Mariah once she dies 
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
 My point wasn't that at all. Obviously I was referring to the "She's only winning because she's dead" claims by saying that no, she won polls like this BEFORE her death. I didn't say that the polls were an indication of what's true or not.
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But it's true. People just sympathize with her for the sheer fact that she died this year and won't be able to make music again. Many have seen countless autobiographical TV specials, bought one of her posthumous greatest hits album, etc. The last thing Mariah released was Triumphant and that one wasn't really successful at all, even if I love it.
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Did you not read my last response to you?
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Yeah, I saw. I was just saying, that was my point. Which is why I was defending her against people saying she wasn't that influential. We know she was. They both were and still are.
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Originally posted by Mean Trees
Mariah also released an album that year in the UK and it only got to #23 but Whitney was the one who was local... That makes absolutely no sense.
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I Wanna Know What Love Is was #1 in Brazil for 26 weeks.  How is that local?
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Neither of them are local. Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston local? 
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But it's true. People just sympathize with her for the sheer fact that she died this year and won't be able to make music again. Many have seen countless autobiographical TV specials, bought one of her posthumous greatest hits album, etc. The last thing Mariah released was Triumphant and that one wasn't really successful at all, even if I love it.
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Yes, that may be true, but anyone who has any knowledge of Pop culture/music before February of 2012 would also know of Whitney's impact and influence AS WELL as Mariah's before Triumphant was released.
Did she have a huge impact? Yes. Was she one of the most praised voices of all time? Yes. Was she criticized and bashed mercilessly by the media? Yes.
Her death shouldn't be used as an excuse. The more months that go by, the more that statement will be even more unnecessary and invalid. Michael has been dead for 3 years and people are still using the "It's because he's dead" excuse. It gets old after a while.
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Originally posted by Ressti
I know very well what barriers there were and I'm pretty sure MJ was the first black artist to get heavy play on rock radios, to get included in all pop categories at award shows and to be called an actual pop artist, not just R&B. As well as making sure that Whitney's videos could get played on MTV.
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So what about the black crossover artists before MJ? They didn't get heavy airplay on rock radio?
And MJ was one of the group of black artists to be labeled as "pop", not the first one, esp. since there were artists before him like Diana Ross who were labeled as "pop".
MJ is by far the most influential solo artist of the past 3-4 decades, but him breaking down barriers in no way stopped Whitney Houston from doing the same, especially seeing as how she was a black WOMAN who didn't even do the same kind of music as MJ.
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Originally posted by Ressti
Yeah, I saw. I was just saying, that was my point. Which is why I was defending her against people saying she wasn't that influential. We know she was. They both were and still are.
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Of course. Mariah is absolutely influential. One of the most influential vocalists and artists of the past 2 decades. But she is not more influential than Whitney Houston is.
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Whitney.
Mariah is close though.
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I Wanna Know What Love Is was #1 in Brazil for 26 weeks. How is that local? |
Right? I'm starting to get annoyed so ****ing much by this dense excuse, it's a burning pain in my eyes everytime I see comments like that one. Many of her albums and singles enjoyed global success, the most prominent one being Music Box, which had an insane amount of success on an international scale. Songs like Hero or Without You are CLASSICS everywhere in the world.
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Mariah once she dies |
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
Yes, that may be true, but anyone who has any knowledge of Pop culture/music before February of 2012 would also know of Whitney's impact and influence AS WELL as Mariah's before Triumphant was released.
Did she have a huge impact? Yes. Was she one of the most praised voices of all time? Yes. Was she criticized and bashed mercilessly by the media? Yes.
Her death shouldn't be used as an excuse. The more months that go by, the more that statement will be even more unnecessary and invalid. Michael has been dead for 3 years and people are still using the "It's because he's dead" excuse. It gets old after a while. |
Don't get me wrong. I don't wanna downgrade Whitney Houston for what she really is. She's just as much of a Legend as Mariah is, but imho opinion and when we're just comparing facts, Mariah's got a little edge over her. The only aspect where Whitney was doing better was in the movie business, but since Precious, even that has changed.
It's not an excuse, it's simple logic. If people like Michael and Whitney were truly living Legends during their lifetime, people will moarn and remember them for decades to come. If the hype around Whitney's death really has died down as you said, she wouldn't be much of a Legend. It took YEARS for people to get over Aaliyah's death and she didn't have by no means the impact and success that artists like Whitney or Michael had.
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clearly whitney
mariah made little to no impact whatsoever
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Music wise it's obviously Mariah. But Whitney's troubles in life, along with her early death, have made more of an impact on pop culture itself.
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Originally posted by Chunk
Don't get me wrong. I don't wanna downgrade Whitney Houston for what she really is. She's just as much of a Legend as Mariah is, but imho opinion and when we're just comparing facts, Mariah's got a little edge over her. The only aspect where Whitney was doing better was in the movie business, but since Precious, even that has changed.
It's not an excuse, it's simple logic. If people like Michael and Whitney were truly living Legends during their lifetime, people will moarn and remember them for decades to come. If the hype around Whitney's death really has died down as you said, she wouldn't be much of a Legend. It took YEARS for people to get over Aaliyah's death and she didn't have by no means the impact and success that artists like Whitney or Michael had.
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Michael and Whitney were legends before their death so whether they died or not wouldn't have changed that. They already cemented their place in history years before any flop album or media controversy, and especially before their passing.
Amy Winehouse is another story, and so is Aaliyah
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Originally posted by Chimier
So what about the black crossover artists before MJ? They didn't get heavy airplay on rock radio?
And MJ was one of the group of black artists to be labeled as "pop", not the first one, esp. since there were artists before him like Diana Ross who were labeled as "pop".
MJ is by far the most influential solo artist of the past 3-4 decades, but him breaking down barriers in no way stopped Whitney Houston from doing the same, especially seeing as how she was a black WOMAN who didn't even do the same kind of music as MJ.
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Before MJ, black artists did not get a lot of spins on rock radios, if at all. Look up AOR radio.
I should have said he was the first black super star, but that's also because it was the 80's. Relations between countries and the world economy were different. It was because of a myriad of reasons, but mostly, it was his influence.
But, I will say, Whitney was an African American woman, so it was different. I'll give her that. She probably had a lot to do with the change, because she came out right after Thriller.
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Originally posted by Chimier
Of course. Mariah is absolutely influential. One of the most influential vocalists and artists of the past 2 decades. But she is not more influential than Whitney Houston is.
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Maybe, but Mariah was hugely popular in the Netherlands, I never felt like either of them out shined the other.
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Originally posted by Genocide
clearly whitney
mariah made little to no impact whatsoever
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This. I am in England and no one uses Mariah here anymore.
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