Originally posted by Chimier

What kinda nonsense....
I pointed out the fact that Whitney was a black female BECAUSE she came before Mariah and broke down barriers in music that Mariah did not. This was not a "who's more black" post.

And Mariah sold records because she released a LOT more albums.

LOL so Mariah having a whistle register contributes to her having more impact than Whitney? What kinda logic....
By the time Mariah had come out, Whitney Houston was noted for popularizing vocal acrobatics, melisma and all sorts of embellishments. Why do you think that when Mariah came out, her vocal style and acrobatics were said to be reminiscent of WHITNEY?

Y'all have taken what journalists have said and accepted them as truth, without going back to verify the claims.

And Whitney Houston has had a SLEW of artists since the 90s cite her as their main influence. And she is quite possibly the most covered female vocalists on these talent shows.

And she's been consistently praised as the premiere female vocalist of the past three decades and of her generation. So what's your point again.

Originally posted by Chunk

It totally came across as that though.

Mariah got into the music business later, but achieved more than Whitney in a shorter time span and is probably the main reason why people started to lose interest in her.

Originally posted by Chunk

It totally came across as that though.

Mariah got into the music business later, but achieved more than Whitney in a shorter time span and is probably the main reason why people started to lose interest in her.

Originally posted by Chimier

Mariah also said "None of us would sound the same if Aretha Franklin hadn't put out a record, or Whitney Houston hadn't".

Oh, and Mariah said back in 2002, "Whitney Houston is obviously someone that I listen to and who influenced me and is a great singer".

Originally posted by Chimier

Well, all I have to say to you is "reading is fundamental, understanding is necessary."

The only thing Mariah achieved more was SALES and #1 hits, and that was because she put out more albums.

Originally posted by DirtyMind

Hardly. The height of Whitney's career >>> the hight of Mariah's. Also Whitney branched out into touring, films, television & producing. Mariah has pretty much stayed in one lane her whole career.

Originally posted by Chimier

Well, all I have to say to you is "reading is fundamental, understanding is necessary."

The only thing Mariah achieved more was SALES and #1 hits, and that was because she put out more albums.

Originally posted by Chunk

Mariah dipped into the movie business too, but it just wasn't for her. The roles she played didn't give her much room to shine and go out of her comfort box. It wasn't until Lee Daniels showed people out there a different side of Mariah that she found her ground in the movie business. Mariah made herself vocal that she definitely wants to continue acting and play roles like that again.

Originally posted by Ressti

Jam is really a funk song.

We mentioned a few of those already a few pages ago. It still doesn't change the fact that Mariah was the one to popularize it for "mainstream" audiences. Which is the main point.

You could go back even farther than James though. Rap has existed for a long time.

Originally posted by Chunk

Mariah dipped into the movie business too, but it just wasn't for her. The roles she played didn't give her much room to shine and go out of her comfort box. It wasn't until Lee Daniels showed people out there a different side of Mariah that she found her ground in the movie business. Mariah made herself vocal that she definitely wants to continue acting and play roles like that again.

Originally posted by Lately 1814

"Jam" is hardly funk. But okay.

And I already pointed it out. Mariah took an R&B trend and made it popular for White non-R&B acts to collaborate with rappers. So pointing out that Mariah's collaboration with rappers led to artists like Beyonce, Xtina, and others doing it is not impact, that's influence.

No you really can't go back further than James. The Funk movement of the early 70s was the start of hip-hop culture. James Brown, Stevie Wonder (), Bootsy Collins, Parliament/Funkadelic, Chaka, etc were all the pioneers of said genre.

Originally posted by Ressti

Hardly? Jam is a funk song with a New Jack Swing beat. People have compared the song to James Brown's work. It's a funk song.

Mariah is influential, that's what I said.

Yes, you can go back, because you mentioned "rap" and not funk. I thought you meant actual rap.