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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by Mike91
I've come around to Kaine. It's still a terrible option because neither he or Clinton represent the future of the democratic party and picking him doubled down on everything people dislike about Hillary but whatever at this point. The Supreme Court is too important of an issue to hand over to republicans.
Just please don't run for re-election in 2020 though. Come at me all you want but there's a zero percent chance of them getting re-elected when Trump won't be on the ticket.
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Neither does Warren, she would be too old to run for president in 2024 after 8 years of a hypothetical Clinton presidency, as would Bernie. The future of the Democratic Party are people like Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Julian Castro, one of them is pretty likely to become the 2024 democratic nominee. Like it or not, there's literally a 0.000000% chance of Hillary not running for reelection, so 2024 is the next time there will be a different democratic nominee. And before you say "but the future of the party are uber liberal populists!", there are none of those in the senate or in any governor's mansions that are young enough, and there will likely be none by 2024 that are experienced enough, or in high enough office to win the nomination, let alone the presidency, except for someone like Sherrod Brown. And we have no clue who the republicans are going to nominate in 2020, we all thought they'd learn their lesson after 2012 and nominate someone like Rubio who has much wider appeal and is more open to immigration reform, but that obviously didn't happen, and they didn't listen to their infamous 2012 autopsy report. At this point, there's a pretty good chance that it could be Cruz, who Hillary definitely would be able to defeat. A lot of people thought Obama had no chance at winning his reelection after the drubbing we got in 2010, but he still ended up winning. To an extent, presidential elections occur in a vacuum and it ends up being a choice between two visions and two ideologies. If the republicans still haven't evolved their immigration and social policies in 2020, which is very likely, then Hillary will definitely have a good shot at winning.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I was coming around to you after the primaries, but you're becoming more and more annoying. 
Hillary will be a great president. Elizabeth, Bernie, or anyone else wouldn't make her administration any different. They didn't win the nomination. SHE DID. She isn't the future of the party. She IS the party. Either get on board or find another team. This is the party we are. Nothing is wrong with the "establishment" and I think it's about time y'all are called out for it. |
Speak the truth! 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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I hope all of you watched her speech in Tampa yesterday. You think she lacks a clear message and vision? She touched on it perfectly.
I can't wait for a better version of that on Thursday.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Icarus
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I can't at his twitter rant this morning though
Tim Kaine is, and always has been, owned by the banks. Bernie supporters are outraged, was their last choice. Bernie fought for nothing!
Pocahontas wanted V.P. slot so badly but wasn't chosen because she has done nothing in the Senate. Also, Crooked Hillary hates her!
Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Neither does Warren, she would be too old to run for president in 2024 after 8 years of a hypothetical Clinton presidency, as would Bernie. The future of the Democratic Party are people like Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Julian Castro, one of them is pretty likely to become the 2024 democratic nominee. Like it or not, there's literally a 0.000000% chance of Hillary not running for reelection, so 2024 is the next time there will be a different democratic nominee. And before you say "but the future of the party are uber liberal populists!", there are none of those in the senate or in any governor's mansions that are young enough, and there will likely be none by 2024 that are experienced enough, or in high enough office to win the nomination, let alone the presidency, except for someone like Sherrod Brown. And we have no clue who the republicans are going to nominate in 2020, we all thought they'd learn their lesson after 2012 and nominate someone like Rubio who has much wider appeal and is more open to immigration reform, but that obviously didn't happen, and they didn't listen to their infamous 2012 autopsy report. At this point, there's a pretty good chance that it could be Cruz, who Hillary definitely would be able to defeat. A lot of people thought Obama had no chance at winning his reelection after the drubbing we got in 2010, but he still ended up winning. To an extent, preside trial elections occur in a vacuum and it ends up being a choice between two visions and two ideologies. If the republicans still haven't evolved their immigration and social policies in 2020, which is very likely, then Hillary will definitely have a good shot at winning.
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Tim Kaine was really the best available. Qualified and from a safe state. No one else fit both which is a shame, but that's what we had to work with.
The ticket needs chemistry and ability to work together. It's the only way we'll have steady leadership. Trump/Pence will be a disaster. Bush/Cheney was a disaster. Clinton/Gore didn't work out as planned. Obama/Biden fit. So will this team.
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Member Since: 1/6/2014
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
I can't at his twitter rant this morning though
Tim Kaine is, and always has been, owned by the banks. Bernie supporters are outraged, was their last choice. Bernie fought for nothing!
Pocahontas wanted V.P. slot so badly but wasn't chosen because she has done nothing in the Senate. Also, Crooked Hillary hates her!
Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED
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Screaming at this, it's like he's gossiping on a reality show
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Member Since: 6/5/2011
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
I can't at his twitter rant this morning though
Tim Kaine is, and always has been, owned by the banks. Bernie supporters are outraged, was their last choice. Bernie fought for nothing!
Pocahontas wanted V.P. slot so badly but wasn't chosen because she has done nothing in the Senate. Also, Crooked Hillary hates her!
Leaked e-mails of DNC show plans to destroy Bernie Sanders. Mock his heritage and much more. On-line from Wikileakes, really vicious. RIGGED
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He's so messy.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Warren for Treasury Department!!!! Trump will fume.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I was coming around to you after the primaries, but you're becoming more and more annoying.
Hillary will be a great president. Elizabeth, Bernie, or anyone else wouldn't make her administration any different. They didn't win the nomination. SHE DID. She isn't the future of the party. She IS the party. Either get on board or find another team. This is the party we are. Nothing is wrong with the "establishment" and I think it's about time y'all are called out for it. |
If you can't handle other people's opinions and/or find them annoying, then you shouldn't be online. Simple as that.
Even if she picked Warren I'd have a similar opinion about it. She's barely going to win this election and the only reason why she'll win is because of Trump. You can be in denial about it but let's not act like the next 4 years aren't going to be more of republican obstructionism and more Hillary investigations. They are not going to win the House back anytime soon and even if they win back the Senate this year, it will likely go republican again in 2 years.
I'm not saying Hillary isn't going to make a great president but 12 years of the same/similar policies is going to be hard to run on in 4 years and to make sure we don't get another republican in office, there's going to have to be something fresh offered in 2020 or we're ****ed. Because Trump won't be on the ticket in 4 years. These elections are becoming more and more base centric each cycle. And like I said Clinton and Kaine do not represent the future of the party.
Of course we have to get through this election first and hope the unthinkable doesn't happen (Trump winning) but still. Her VP choice mattered more than some think.
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Member Since: 6/5/2011
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Originally posted by Auris
I think 2% in a month is achievable, especially if he gets the Paul endorsement!
I also think that Trump is a better debator than Hillary, but a third voice would be nice in the debates and would be the only way he gets the promotion to actually compete with Trump/Hillary
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Really? How?
I actually think that's how the other Republicans candidates lost. They fed into Trump insults on the debate stage..Trump feeds off that energy that's what makes him more popular. It distracts people that he really doesn't know any policies or have any plans. That's not gonna work with Hillary. Hillary already said she's not responding to insults. So he's gonna look real stupid and immature on stage trying to insult her. Meanwhile she's talking policy and plans.
Hillary is one of the best debaters. Even Obama said he could barely keep up.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Mike91
If you can't handle other people's opinions and/or find them annoying, then you shouldn't be online. Simple as that.
Even if she picked Warren I'd have a similar opinion about it. She's barely going to win this election and the only reason why she'll win is because of Trump. You can be in denial about it but let's not act like the next 4 years aren't going to be more of republican obstructionism and more Hillary investigations. They are not going to win the House back anytime soon and even if they win back the Senate this year, it will likely go republican again in 2 years.
I'm not saying Hillary isn't going to make a great president but 12 years of the same/similar policies is going to be hard to run on in 4 years and to make sure we don't get another republican in office, there's going to have to be something fresh offered in 2020 or we're ****ed. Because Trump won't be on the ticket in 4 years. These elections are becoming more and more base centric each cycle. And like I said Clinton and Kaine do not represent the future of the party.
Of course we have to get through this election first and hope the unthinkable doesn't happen (Trump winning) but still. Her VP choice mattered more than some think.
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You're telling me and majority of the party who is supporting her and supports her views as the "past" when far from it. I respect people's opinions, but to overexaggerate and say she and the Democrats are forever screwed is a disservice to all of us within the party.
I'll just say I simply disagree with you. Obama's policies have worked which is why he has high approvals from most Democrats and half of Independents.
Hillary is running on Obama's legacy, but she has her own plans and she understands the needs and frustrations. But doubt her I guess. She made it this far with a lot of that. 
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Mike91 you can write as many essays as you want, but far-left liberals STILL aren't the base of the party, nor do they own "the future."
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Originally posted by Mike91
If you can't handle other people's opinions and/or find them annoying, then you shouldn't be online. Simple as that.
Even if she picked Warren I'd have a similar opinion about it. She's barely going to win this election and the only reason why she'll win is because of Trump. You can be in denial about it but let's not act like the next 4 years aren't going to be more of republican obstructionism and more Hillary investigations. They are not going to win the House back anytime soon and even if they win back the Senate this year, it will likely go republican again in 2 years.
I'm not saying Hillary isn't going to make a great president but 12 years of the same/similar policies is going to be hard to run on in 4 years and to make sure we don't get another republican in office, there's going to have to be something fresh offered in 2020 or we're ****ed. Because Trump won't be on the ticket in 4 years. These elections are becoming more and more base centric each cycle. And like I said Clinton and Kaine do not represent the future of the party.
Of course we have to get through this election first and hope the unthinkable doesn't happen (Trump winning) but still. Her VP choice mattered more than some think.
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I do think re-election will be tougher. But her choosing a more progressive VP makes no difference to that. The youth never turn out to vote. Democrats, now and in the future, must win with the Obama coalition - i.e AA and increasing Latino turnout.
We're never going back to the New Deal. More and more people are independents. You underestimate the size of the independent MODERATE base.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Benzene
Mike91 you can write as many essays as you want, but far-left liberals STILL aren't the base of the party, nor do they own "the future."
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While this is true, it's important to note that most Democrats / young people in general who would vote Democrat are viewing themselves as "Center-Left" or even just "Left" while viewing Hillary as just Center, maybe due to her age, or her being seen as establishment.
Even though Far Leftists are a super small portion of anything, not even making up most of the educated bloc, most Americans who supported Obama want a progression of his plans. The country, on most issues, is ready to take some steps forward.
And maybe Hillary can achieve that. She has made an effort to claim she'll make these steps, so it's fair to see if she can, but her past as a Centrist (which we have to accept is a dirty word to most young Leftists now) makes people doubt her, and that's fair too.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Radiance
I do think re-election will be tougher. But her choosing a more progressive VP makes no difference to that. The youth never turn out to vote. Democrats, now and in the future, must win with the Obama coalition - i.e AA and increasing Latino turnout.
We're never going back to the New Deal. More and more people are independents. You underestimate the size of the independent MODERATE base.
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I agree except the last bit. Independent =/= moderate. The vast majority of independents are extremely partisan, just unaffiliated. There are very few true swing voters.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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What's this Democrat Wikileaks email exposé? I'm hearing it's supposed to be a huge deal.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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As far as reelection goes, it's ALWAYS easier for an incumbent barring a horrible economy or a massive scandal.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Khal
What's this Democrat Wikileaks email exposé? I'm hearing it's supposed to be a huge deal.
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For sore loser Bernouts and Trump Dumpsters yes. For everyone else no.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Benzene
As far as reelection goes, it's ALWAYS easier for an incumbent barring a horrible economy or a massive scandal.
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And Clintons and bad economy don't go together. Neither does the Dem party. And I'm glad this email thing happened. She said it has made her extra special careful about anything that can be deemed a scandal.
I will admit that Hillary has to prove herself. Not only for the party, or her name, but for a woman in that position in general. But she is good when she's actually working and not campaigning so I have no doubt her approval ratings will increase.
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I see my Boricuas may save the day in Florida
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