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Discussion: Gaga's Recipe for Flop - Little Monsters?
Member Since: 6/29/2011
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The love she has for her fans and the extreme love they (we) have for her is not the problem
the only issue with the LM/gaga relationship is that she cares too much about pleasing THEM.
it's natural to worry about what they'll like, but just like she doesn't write music for the charts, she shouldn't write music for the fans. she should write music for herself
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by helloDer
The love she has for her fans and the extreme love they (we) have for her is not the problem
the only issue with the LM/gaga relationship is that she cares too much about pleasing THEM.
it's natural to worry about what they'll like, but just like she doesn't write music for the charts, she shouldn't write music for the fans. she should write music for herself
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I think she is too close though. She has far too much contact... I get that it's great to help your fans in need, but employing them...?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Alpha
true, but doesnt madonna have the same problem? that people dont want to buy her music to avoid exactly the same associations? lets not play dumb
If gaga works on her image and keeps it real like in the fame era she should be fine again.
she has the talent and voice to take it over tbh
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To an extent, but Madonna is 30+ years into her career, no one is expecting her to sell much with her next album, she has a bigger adult following (an audience which I would suspect have more purchasing options) and even then has a better image then Gaga.
In regards to your second point, she certainly could but it is always harder the second time around.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I often think, though, that the delusional praise Gaga reads online when she visits sites like GagaDaily and LM.com only serve to fuel the opinion she has that she is doing everything right.
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This is true. Plus, she doesn't even listen to the posts/tweets/messages that are trying to help her. She NEEDS to open her eyes. She's been feeling herself too much lately, and it's hurting her and her fanbase. These types of posts are honest and sincere, and people are actually trying to help her
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I often think, though, that the delusional praise Gaga reads online when she visits sites like GagaDaily and LM.com only serve to fuel the opinion she has that she is doing everything right.
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What logic do you hold that makes you think that she thinks shes doing everything right? Have you not observed her this entire era? She indirectly makes it so obvious that she has absorbed way too much of the negative perception of her online.
The only time you could say that "delusional praise" fueled her ego was during the creation of Born This Way. Delusional Gaga praise is next to non-existent this era like why are you of all people, a fan, acting like thats anything but the truth. I mean sure she has her delusionals but literally so does EVERY artist.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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I don't agree with this. It's not her relationship with the fans that's making her underperform, it's her relationship with the GP. I had no idea of radio ARTPOP's existence before there was a thread about that girl Emma or whatever.
She alienated everyone in the GP with the whole "art" stuff and people think she's pretentious and doing it all for shock factor, rather because she really believes in it.
When she came out, she had the mystery factor on her side. Everyone was interested to see who was this new girl that was different and weird. Now that we've seen EVERYTHING from Gaga and I do mean everything because she's been completely naked multiple times, there's no more mystery.
She's in a sticky situation because if she continues to pursue this art thing people will just see her as getting more and more desperate. She gave everything to the world, and people got bored of it. It's just something that happens. That's why popstars always need to reinvent themselves in order to stay interesting.
Plus it certainly doesn't help that she put this task on herself about uniting pop music and art when most of the people that listen to pop don't care about art. Hell I, myself separate my music into music I find to be artful and full of meaning and just easy pop tunes I want to listen to when I want to take my mind off things. Those two don't go together that easily.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
This is true. Plus, she doesn't even listen to the posts/tweets/messages that are trying to help her. She NEEDS to open her eyes. She's been feeling herself too much lately, and it's hurting her and her fanbase. These types of posts are honest and sincere, and people are actually trying to help her
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Honestly a lot of pop stans are idiots, whatever tweets you think are trying to help her aren't. They're just dumb insecure-stan regurgitation. Thus why she doesn't pay attention.
And anyway, the negativity she refers to doesn't come from her own fanbase necessarily. It comes from her naysayers. Imo it seems like shes spent way too much time paying attention to what her "haters" have to say and to a certain extent I guess I understand why because its part of the reason shes struggling so much this era but to another extent its poisonous and instead of fixating on it and wallowing she should just stick out the middle finger, stop paying attention, and stick to her guns.
The fact that either of you are acting like shes struggling because she listens to much to her delusional fans is kind of mind-boggling. If she listened to them this era would be even more directionless than it is right now. She does what she wants and she doesn't play the game to her benefit. Thats one of her real problems imo. Shes stubborn about being contrary.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Little Monsters were the downfall of Gaga, to put so much power and importance in them was Gaga's biggest mistake.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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The fans are actually a HUGE problem. That and the fact that it seems that she only cares about gays and not as much about other oppressed groups of people that could be bullied just as much as gays, is just disappointing. That's why she's the "gay singer" now. Her straight fans must feel so alienated. She needs to make herself accessible to everyone, not only to her yes men, because those people will lead to her demise.
She should also stop trying so hard with the looks/gimmicks, and let her music speak for itself. I feel like a broken record saying this, but she's just so tacky now
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Sinvius
I don't agree with this. It's not her relationship with the fans that's making her underperform, it's her relationship with the GP. I had no idea of radio ARTPOP's existence before there was a thread about that girl Emma or whatever.
She alienated everyone in the GP with the whole "art" stuff and people think she's pretentious and doing it all for shock factor, rather because she really believes in it.
When she came out, she had the mystery factor on her side. Everyone was interested to see who was this new girl that was different and weird. Now that we've seen EVERYTHING from Gaga and I do mean everything because she's been completely naked multiple times, there's no more mystery.
She's in a sticky situation because if she continues to pursue this art thing people will just see her as getting more and more desperate. She gave everything to the world, and people got bored of it. It's just something that happens. That's why popstars always need to reinvent themselves in order to stay interesting.
Plus it certainly doesn't help that she put this task on herself about uniting pop music and art when most of the people that listen to pop don't care about art. Hell I, myself separate my music into music I find to be artful and full of meaning and just easy pop tunes I want to listen to when I want to take my mind off things. Those two don't go together that easily.
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The whole false notion that she had "mystery" 4 years ago is such ******** stan nonsense. The difference between her then and now has nothing to do with mystery, the difference is that people liked her then and are annoyed by her now. Her ego and her intention really hasn't changed much over the years.
AND the idea that "art" is a downfall for her this era is only half true. She kind of weighed herself down negatively by declaring the name of this album ARTPOP and declaring that she means to unite the two because what she should've done, imo, is just make a ****ing album! Drop the lofty explanation. This would have been perceived so much more positively.
Art and pop mesh, thats not even a question. But if you're going around constantly screaming that youre making art and what you do is art and you're putting art into music than that must not actually be what you are doing.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Cyanide
The fans are actually a HUGE problem. That and the fact that it seems that she only cares about gays and not as much about other oppressed groups of people that could be bullied just as much as gays, is just disappointing. That's why she's the "gay singer" now. Her straight fans must feel so alienated. She needs to make herself accessible to everyone, not only to her yes men, because those people will lead to her demise.
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This is such ********.
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Member Since: 6/29/2011
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
I think she is too close though. She has far too much contact... I get that it's great to help your fans in need, but employing them...?
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I suppose having the Haus direct videos goes too far, but having them help her develop creative concepts - outfits, app etc, is all good, that's not what's making her struggle
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by helloDer
I suppose having the Haus direct videos goes too far, but having them help her develop creative concepts - outfits, app etc, is all good, that's not what's making her struggle
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Going as far as employing an internet fan you found online though..? Putting the power on voice into her hands only for her to then drag another massive artist; it almost sounds like the words came from Gaga...
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Going as far as employing an internet fan you found online though..? Putting the power on voice into her hands only for her to then drag another massive artist; it almost sounds like the words came from Gaga...
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I can't believe you're criticizing her for including a fan in her haus/creative process. Thats not at all a negative issue and the only reason you believe it so is because of the "underperformance" of this era which has nothing to do with her fanbase.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Honestly a lot of pop stans are idiots, whatever tweets you think are trying to help her aren't. They're just dumb insecure-stan regurgitation. Thus why she doesn't pay attention.
And anyway, the negativity she refers to doesn't come from her own fanbase necessarily. It comes from her naysayers. Imo it seems like shes spent way too much time paying attention to what her "haters" have to say and to a certain extent I guess I understand why because its part of the reason shes struggling so much this era but to another extent its poisonous and instead of fixating on it and wallowing she should just stick out the middle finger, stop paying attention, and stick to her guns.
The fact that either of you are acting like shes struggling because she listens to much to her delusional fans is kind of mind-boggling. If she listened to them this era would be even more directionless than it is right now. She does what she wants and she doesn't play the game to her benefit. Thats one of her real problems imo. Shes stubborn about being contrary.
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Because she DOES listen to her delusional fans, and honestly that's a huge problem. And when I said "posts/tweets that are trying to help her," I don't mean career advice (no artists in their right mind would listen to their fans about career advice). She needs to stop listening to her fans who says "YASSS GAGA YASSS" to every little thing she does. Because this whole era HAS been a huge mess, but I guess she just doesn't seem to think so
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
The whole false notion that she had "mystery" 4 years ago is such ******** stan nonsense. The difference between her then and now has nothing to do with mystery, the difference is that people liked her then and are annoyed by her now. Her ego and her intention really hasn't changed much over the years.
AND the idea that "art" is a downfall for her this era is only half true. She kind of weighed herself down negatively by declaring the name of this album ARTPOP and declaring that she means to unite the two because what she should've done, imo, is just make a ****ing album! Drop the lofty explanation. This would have been perceived so much more positively.
Art and pop mesh, thats not even a question. But if you're going around constantly screaming that youre making art and what you do is art and you're putting art into music than that must not actually be what you are doing.
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The "mystery factor" still makes a big difference. She just needs to do less talking. I mean, she didn't hype up everything and talk about art 24/7 in the Fame days. It was there but it was still interesting to hear. Now when it's shoved down your throat every three seconds via twitter, it's neither interesting nor bearable to hear.
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Member Since: 2/12/2012
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sis, you gonna get credit by artpopradio in next week for shading LM like that...
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Sinvius
The "mystery factor" still makes a big difference. She just needs to do less talking. I mean, she didn't hype up everything and talk about art 24/7 in the Fame days. It was there but it was still interesting to hear. Now when it's shoved down your throat every three seconds via twitter, it's neither interesting nor bearable to hear.
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Actually she did, go back and watch her Fame interviews. All she does is talk about her intent with the album.
Like I said, people had yet to acquire a negative perception of her on a massive scale back then therefore it wasn't perceived negatively.
You're regurgitating ******** ideals about what her problem is and in doing so you sideline that her actual problem is her stubborn adamance against playing the game to her benefit anymore. Its ego related but not in the way that you think.
But to a certain degree I do agree that she needs to chill out on the loft explanations.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Imagine if this thread gets included in the next episode of Radio ARTPOP though. Eep!
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Member Since: 4/21/2011
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I think that the whole "Little Monster" thing is undoubtedly one of the biggest factors in her downfall.
For me, someone who considered themselves a very big fan at the start of her career (she was in my sig!) I felt the whole "Little Monster" label did nothing for me. I liked her music, but didn't consider myself an outcast or a freak, and as a grown man felt a little odd putting my "paws up". As the Monster fanbase took off, I couldn't help but feel distanced from all of that. For those who are into it, I think it made them into bigger fans, but to the casual music fan, I think it turned them off.
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