[TheOnlyOne]

Originally posted by chris1991

Because it means that you where the most popular artist/album for one week or however long your album stays at number 1.

People are trying to dismiss #1's, but they proof your the one everyone is bying no matter if you sale 80k or 300k or a million. You can sell millions and still open at #2, but everyone will be talking about the #1 album and the artist!

So you're saying you only talk to people on this website?

[Cheriah]

Originally posted by chris1991

Because it means that you where the most popular artist/album for one week or however long your album stays at number 1.

People are trying to dismiss #1's, but they proof your the one everyone is bying no matter if you sale 80k or 300k or a million. You can sell millions and still open at #2, but everyone will be talking about the #1 album and the artist!

Well not in this case. Everyone seems to be talking about the #3 album

So what was the point of the #1 album again

[Shame♥]

Originally posted by Cheriah

No other foreign solo artist can claim Rihanna's level of American or global success.

Celine, Adele, Amy Winehouse, Avril Lavigne (), Justin Bieber and The Beatles just off the top of my head.

[G4L]

And then you also have artists with #1 albums whose sales are VERY VERY poor. i won't divulge the names of these artists since i wanna avoid WPs


Rihanna could have easily released in the middle of next year and gotten a #1 album. If she wanted it so desperately, she would have done that. Which just shows that its not important to her, only to people on ATRL

[PATTAR]

Originally posted by Cheriah

But you are just focusing on the US
Also Rihanna is not an American artist. It seems most Americans don't even realise that she is a foreigner who is doing very well in America. No other foreign solo artist can claim Rihanna's level of American or global success.

I guess Justin Bieber is a foreigner also since he is from Canada. I think Justin quite dominates the America and the World with his success! Adele is a foreigner. She did better than Rihanna this year in America and around the World! Get ur facts straight!

[GetCrunk]

World's best-selling country music album and the best-selling studio album ever released by a female artist in any genre. Peaked at #2 in the Billboard charts.

[Jared]

Originally posted by G4L

Because people on ATRL are largely American so they only see their own country's market as important. its also why international artists like shakira and pink are seen as flops on here when in fact they are not at all.

The US is arguably the biggest music market in the world. It's not because of biased ATRL members.

[chris1991]

Originally posted by Cheriah

Well not in this case. Everyone seems to be talking about the #3 album

So what was the point of the #1 album again

Well no one is here for nickleback! So yea!

Ok but everyone is talking about talk that talk for the wrong reasons.

[RihRihGirrrl]

It's a nice feat to reach but no one stresses it outside of stans on message boards. The music industry in general marks #1 singles, WW sales and Awards as the staple and the biggest indication of an artist's success.

[Cheriah]

Originally posted by guga10

Because you can't claim your favorite is the queen of pop when she is unable to score a #1 album in the biggest music market.

People have no problems calling Kylie Minogue the Queen of POP, yet she only managed to sell 6,000 copies of her album in US debut week despite a heavy promotional US campaign.
and For the record Rihanna is more successful than Kylie ww.

[Amaru]

Originally posted by TheOnlyOne

It's important to ATRL, other music message boards, and nothing else.

A #1 album is so irrelevant because it's about timing and nothing more. First week album sales have gone as low as only 44,000. In certain weeks, nearly the entire Top 10 can beat that. Peaks as far as albums go are meaningless to me as 99% of the time, the peak is reached within the first week. There's no climbing or build on popularity as it's usually just a steady decline in sales each passing week. With singles, there's obviously 10x more competition, and more people buy singles as opposed to albums. Each artist doesn't have generally only 3-4 other competitors for the week, but instead multiple songs constantly rotating in and out. Watching the rise and success of singles is far more interesting to me.

Unfortunately today the radio is saturated with payola, of course that's not to say that Rihanna doesn't have great radio power on her own, she most certainly does--she releases very catchy music. But having #1 singles isn't the only indicator of success.

You cant force someone to buy an album, nor will a record company buy their own album just to inflate figures. Buying an album the day of release is a great indicator of the faith the general public has in an artists product.

Moreover, in Rihanna's case I think most people are shocked at disconnect between her ability to release a song and have it top both itunes and radio and releasing an album that's struggles to break even 200K.

[Nait Phoenix]

Originally posted by Cheriah

Rihanna is a Barbadian artist and has always being marketed as such.


Kylie Minogue was signed to a British company does that now make her British?
Jimi Hendrix was signed to a British company did that make him a British artist?

I'm confused, what has Celine dion got to do with this and who is Utada?

An artist's background does not fully consider when it comes to marketing. If there are no markets in the area they come from and they are legally signed to and distributed by an outside source, they are considered an artist of said outside source. Where they are stationed has no legal binding or standing.

And excuse me, the line "no other foreign solo artist can claim Rihanna's level of American or global success" caught me off-guard. 'Cause she may be big in America now, but she is or was not the biggest artist around the globe. That belongs to too many people to count. Michael, Celine, Madonna, Mariah, and the Beatles are just a few that tower over Rihanna's "global success".

And Utada happens to be the artist that has the best-selling album in the second-biggest market.

[FAME.]

Originally posted by Jared

The US is arguably the biggest music market in the world. It's not because of biased ATRL members.

There's nothing arguable about it.


The US is the biggest and most dominant music market period. There's nothing to argue or debate about. It's nothing but a fact.

[G4L]

Originally posted by Jared

The US is arguably the biggest music market in the world. It's not because of biased ATRL members.

My point is that the world > the us market alone. sure she may not be dominating the US market but she is dominating basically everywhere else. but this fact tends to go ignored on ATRL because people would rather call her a flop all day

[PATTAR]

Madonna - Ray of Light
Peaked at #2
4X Platinum US
6X Platinum UK
7X Platinum Europe
Sold 20+ million ww but only peaked at #2 in US

[staracademy1990]

Outside of ATRL, nobody knows or cares about chart position or wether a certain artist debuted at #1.
Now I'm not saying it's not important because it somehow is. It's just like an extra feature that could be added to an artist's "resume".
But what good is it if the album debuts at #1 and ends up selling poorly?
As long as Rihanna is selling album at the end of each era, I won't be too bothered.
She stays getting money, and you thirsty bitches keep trying.

[Cheriah]

Originally posted by chris1991

Well no one is here for nickleback! So yea!

Ok but everyone is talking about talk that talk for the wrong reasons.

In this industry, talking that talk, like publicity, good or bad, is always a positive.

[Britneyfan09]

Originally posted by Nait Phoenix

And Utada happens to be the artist that has the best-selling album in the second-biggest market.

I swear you Utada stans always bring this up just to find an excuse to bring her into the conversation. No shade.

[guga10]

Originally posted by Cheriah

People have no problems calling Kylie Minogue the Queen of POP, yet she only managed to sell 6,000 copies of her album in US debut week despite a heavy promotional US campaign.
and For the record Rihanna is more successful than Kylie ww.

Again, Kylie is queen of nothing, just like Rihanna.

I don't know if Rihanna is bigger than Kylie. I'm not going to look for receipts.
The only thing I know Kylie makes better music and puts on a much better concert.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by Cheriah

Then don't contribute to it.

What an insightful post!

A #1 album just shows that your album was that best-selling album of that week.

And let's not pretend like #1 singles aren't about timing either. You can "manipulate" the Hot 100 to get a #1 single and all that jazz. And just like there have been #1 albums that flopped or underperformed vs. a #2 album that went on to sell millions, there are cases where a #2 song sold more and got more radio airplay than a #1 song. You can play that argument with both charts.

Also, it's not just about Rihanna not having a #1. It's about her weak ass sales with the #1 song in the country.