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Discussion: Did Ke$ha Lead The Way For Katy... and Britney?
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have people not heard of Blackout.
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Originally posted by Vin
We can all agree Godney is not to be touched, or looked at directly in the eyes, but Ke$hus -- in my humble opinion, of course -- played a major role in leading the way for a female pop revolution.
...Vin
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I ****ing DIED 
and yes, Kesha is an obvious influence to Katy and Britney's newest styles 
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Originally posted by Celestial
I don't think HIAM is a bad song, but it's definitely signified the end of Britney Spears as the most relevant force in pop. GaGa, Ke$ha, Katy and Rihanna have all released better music recently. She's following them.
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This is an insane exaggeration. But it is your opinion, so.
I think "HIAM" is above and beyond what they've released. Maybe it's too different for you? As far as the dubstep elements. Or not sure if you generally like Britney or not.
And as people said, working with these producers you get these outcomes. "Following" them, is just blah.
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Yes Kesha lead the way for Katy, Britney, Coldplay, Boy George, Tom Cruise, and my local garbage man. 
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In that case I don't think people give enough credit to Avril Lavigne, since "she" created that bratty/catty sound so reminiscent of Ke$ha in the Dr. Luke-produced Girlfriend.
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Originally posted by Celestial
I don't think HIAM is a bad song, but it's definitely signified the end of Britney Spears as the most relevant force in pop. GaGa, Ke$ha, Katy and Rihanna have all released better music recently. She's following them.
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I'm glad you said this. I was told today by a Britney Spears stan that OG is horrible and everybody hates the chorus.
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Yes Kesha lead the way for Katy, Britney, Coldplay, Boy George, Tom Cruise, and my local garbage man. |
That was hilarious. You really should be a comedian. 
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In that case I don't think people give enough credit to Avril Lavigne, since "she" created that bratty/catty sound so reminiscent of Ke$ha in the Dr. Luke-produced Girlfriend.
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It will be really interesting to see the battle of the pop stars and where everyone places when Blow, Hold It Against Me, E.T., What The Hell, and S&M hit the airwaves.
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I'm very critical of her mainly because I don't think she deserves all of the praise she receives, but I do like her and enjoy most of her music. Even if I did hate her, I would still have to acknowledge the fact that she's superior to all the other pop ingénues in the game right now.
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This is an insane exaggeration. But it is your opinion, so.
I think "HIAM" is above and beyond what they've released. Maybe it's too different for you? As far as the dubstep elements. Or not sure if you generally like Britney or not.
And as people said, working with these producers you get these outcomes. "Following" them, is just blah.
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Britney adds nothing to the song and the melody is not as strong as it should be. Maybe in terms of production, HIAM is superior to the songs Katy, Rihanna, and Ke$ha have released but then it's only a victory for Dr. Luke and Max Martin. Katy, Rihanna, and Ke$ha bring their own flavor to their songs, they don't phone it in. HIAM to me, despite being incredibly dance-y and fun, sounds a bit sterile and canned overall.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
I'm very critical of her mainly because I don't think she deserves all of the praise she receives, but I do like her and enjoy most of her music. Even if I did hate her, I would still have to acknowledge the fact that she's superior to all the other pop ingénues in the game right now.
Britney adds nothing to the song and the melody is not as strong as it should be. Maybe in terms of production, HIAM is superior to the songs Katy, Rihanna, and Ke$ha have released but then it's only a victory for Dr. Luke and Max Martin. Katy, Rihanna, and Ke$ha bring their own flavor to their songs, they don't phone it in. HIAM to me, despite being incredibly dance-y and fun, sounds a bit sterile and canned overall.
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I know exactly what you're saying...It's kind of similar to what Rihanna has said. She wanted to do songs that only SHE could do. For Britney, some of what she does sounds like something anyone could do
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Ugh, Some people 
I Don't think neither of them did it, It was Just the Same Producer
And Like, Britney was the first of those three to work with Dr.Luke, but who cares?
All those songs are Nothing new, they are Just Songs from this new Music Trend, with the same producer, nothing fresh IMO.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
This is an insane exaggeration. But it is your opinion, so.
I think "HIAM" is above and beyond what they've released. Maybe it's too different for you? As far as the dubstep elements. Or not sure if you generally like Britney or not.
And as people said, working with these producers you get these outcomes. "Following" them, is just blah.
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That's not it. When I first heard it I thought it was really fresh but I'm sick of it already. The song is so blah. It feels like it's building up to something, but then fizzles out. It doesn't feel complete to me.
The reason I said Britney was following was because she's always been distinctive, this song isn't. I don't think the structure of the song is similar to Ke$ha's signature style, but the production is. They shouldn't have autotuned Britney's vocals to such an extent.
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...Why are you giving Kesha any credit the beat is the only thing that you could compare tik tok to california girls with...and that had nothing to do with kesha. That's dr. luke...and...also, before you argue that kesha led the way for katy and britney look at cannibal's current chart run. I don't think anyone agrees with this statement
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I don't feel it... And yes it's a blasphemous comparison... It's like a nymph(Ke$ha) trying to get Zeus' Thunder Bolt(Britney)... 
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Dr Luke blatnatly copied Trouble's intrumentals in Cali Gurls 
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The only real effect K$ has made on the industry is the uprising of Dr. Luke and his perfectly formulated, brightly packaged, can't-get-that-****ing-song-out-of-your-head #1 hits.
She herself hasn't changed anything, it's just Tik Tok was the first of Dr. Luke's cheaply written radio-*****d insta-smashes.
If anyone, Gaga is the one who's shaped today's industry...
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Originally posted by BornThisWay
The only real effect K$ has made on the industry is the uprising of Dr. Luke and his perfectly formulated, brightly packaged, can't-get-that-****ing-song-out-of-your-head #1 hits.
She herself hasn't changed anything, it's just Tik Tok was the first of Dr. Luke's cheaply written radio-*****d insta-smashes.
If anyone, Gaga is the one who's shaped today's industry...
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This seems to be an overall theme. It's not Ke$ha... it's not Britney... it's not Katy... it's not Rihanna -- it's the PRODUCER. That has a good weight of truth to it, but remember, at the end of the day... these pop stars ARE musicians. And they're not going to put their face, name, and voice on something they don't want to release or record. So saying it all lies with the producer is giving them a little TOO much credit. These women are individuals and make choices to create relevant, intriguing music. If you always argue producers are the masterminds, then you can definitely say the same for Lady Gaga and her success is only because of RedOne -- and that won't fly over too well, would it?
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Originally posted by Vin
This seems to be an overall theme. It's not Ke$ha... it's not Britney... it's not Katy... it's not Rihanna -- it's the PRODUCER. That has a good weight of truth to it, but remember, at the end of the day... these pop stars ARE musicians. And they're not going to put their face, name, and voice on something they don't want to release or record. So saying it all lies with the producer is giving them a little TOO much credit. These women are individuals and make choices to create relevant, intriguing music. If you always argue producers are the masterminds, then you can definitely say the same for Lady Gaga and her success is only because of RedOne -- and that won't fly over too well, would it?
...Vin
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I can see the point of this argument but like everyone is saying...i think that its moreso dr. luke than k$...certain artists bring out the best in their producers and I feel like Britney does this...Dr. Luke hasnt made anything like "circus" or "trouble" since and he certainly hasnt dabbled in dubstep...once again people seriously underestimate britney tsk tsk tsk
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
Britney adds nothing to the song and the melody is not as strong as it should be. Maybe in terms of production, HIAM is superior to the songs Katy, Rihanna, and Ke$ha have released but then it's only a victory for Dr. Luke and Max Martin. Katy, Rihanna, and Ke$ha bring their own flavor to their songs, they don't phone it in. HIAM to me, despite being incredibly dance-y and fun, sounds a bit sterile and canned overall.
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I agree with half of your post, and I partially agree with the other half. I do view HIAM as a victory for Dr. Luke/Max Martin as I hear very little in this that sounds inherently Dr. Luke-ish or particularly reminiscent of Ke$ha, which shows they put forth a lot of effort on this track. In that regard I think it's a nice addition to Britney's list of hits, many of which I think are very distinctive in terms of production and typically avoid a lot of the of the moment trends.
I won't go as far as to say Britney's performance is "phoned in" but I certainly agree that it is somewhat lacking in terms of character, particularly in comparison to some of the character laden singles in her discography. That said, I also think that it's a little difficult to inject character into a song of this nature which isn't particularly ****ty, isn't overly flirty, isn't vengeful, isn't somber or any other descriptor. The lyrics of "Womanizer" lend themselves to a naturally sassy interpretation, "3" is set up for lustiness, but with a track like "HIAM" I feel like the direction isn't as clearly defined. I think it would be difficult for any singer to really deliver a charismatic performance when the track itself, despite having some very PG friendly innuendo, doesn't really play into said innuendo or say anything that isn't watered down and sort of sophomoric. I don't want to make excuses for Britney, but I guess I will. In this instance I'm a bit inclined to blame poor songwriting from Bonnie McKee, not passionless Brit Brit for this somewhat uncharacteristic interpretation. (Of course anyone who bothers to read that will immediately come at me with the accusation that I am always making excuses for my "talentless fave", so whatever. I also know that I'm opening up a whole can of worms of people coming at me with "Well, your fave used a songwriter for her lead single and you actually expect her to have some personality when she sings? My gave always has personalty cause she writes her own stuff and can relate to it, your fave should do the same," sort of comments, to which I have to say your fave probably sounds just as "phoned in" as Britney, but everyone has this misconception that writing credits = automatically emotionally captivating interpretation.)
All of that said, I do think Britney does show a bit of personality during the breakdown.
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Originally posted by Patrick
I agree with half of your post, and I partially agree with the other half. I do view HIAM as a victory for Dr. Luke/Max Martin as I hear very little in this that sounds inherently Dr. Luke-ish or particularly reminiscent of Ke$ha, which shows they put forth a lot of effort on this track. In that regard I think it's a nice addition to Britney's list of hits, many of which I think are very distinctive in terms of production and typically avoid a lot of the of the moment trends.
I won't go as far as to say Britney's performance is "phoned in" but I certainly agree that it is somewhat lacking in terms of character, particularly in comparison to some of the character laden singles in her discography. That said, I also think that it's a little difficult to inject character into a song of this nature which isn't particularly ****ty, isn't overly flirty, isn't vengeful, isn't somber or any other descriptor. The lyrics of "Womanizer" lend themselves to a naturally sassy interpretation, "3" is set up for lustiness, but with a track like "HIAM" I feel like the direction isn't as clearly defined. I think it would be difficult for any singer to really deliver a charismatic performance when the track itself, despite having some very PG friendly innuendo, doesn't really play into said innuendo or say anything that isn't watered down and sort of sophomoric. I don't want to make excuses for Britney, but I guess I will. In this instance I'm a bit inclined to blame poor songwriting from Bonnie McKee, not passionless Brit Brit for this somewhat uncharacteristic interpretation. (Of course anyone who bothers to read that will immediately come at me with the accusation that I am always making excuses for my "talentless fave", so whatever. I also know that I'm opening up a whole can of worms of people coming at me with "Well, your fave used a songwriter for her lead single and you actually expect her to have some personality when she sings? My gave always has personalty cause she writes her own stuff and can relate to it, your fave should do the same," sort of comments, to which I have to say your fave probably sounds just as "phoned in" as Britney, but everyone has this misconception that writing credits = automatically emotionally captivating interpretation.)
All of that said, I do think Britney does show a bit of personality during the breakdown.
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Well said.
The concept (and lyrics) of the song are kinda lacking, as I pointed out regarding the demo. What's the song about, picking up a guy you think is hot? That's not enough. The only way to make that a home run is with really clever lyrics.
It will smash regardless.
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