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News: ANOTHER gay teen suicide
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Originally posted by PopBoi
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Sorry. Basically, straight people don't kill themselves for being straight. Gays, the majority of the time, do. So, labeling a teen suicide as a gay teen suicide is justifiable because the intent is to raise awareness to the plight of gays. It isn't to exclude or make it seem as though gay suicides are more important. Suicides pertaining to bullying are usually emphasized in general, but I don't think anyone would make the argument that in doing so it makes bullying suicides seem more important than non-bullying suicides.
Sometimes it doesn't have to be bullying. I've never been bullied for my sexual orientation (because the people in my life assume I'm straight) but there were times when I was figuring out my sexuality that I wanted to kill myself. And it had nothing to do with how I was treated. The same instance could exist here.
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Originally posted by PopBoi
You can guarantee me anything you want, but you can't guarantee that this guy killed himself cos he was gay.
I get what you're saying, but the fact is, there is nothing to say he killed himself cos he was gay. So why label him as that. there are probably more than 5 gay teen suicides over the last few months, its just that not everything is publicised.
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And you can't guarantee that he killed himself for any other reason.
The fact is, he's yet another gay teen who has committed suicide. 95% of these are committed because of the sexual orientation. Straight teen suicides NEVER kill themselves just because they are straight.
It's not a label, he was gay.
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Originally posted by Aliens & Rainbows
How can you be so sure it's "very likely" when you don't know any of Corey's background either?  |
I just know that a lot of suicides are because of other factors which don't just apply to straight people. I know nothing about Corey's background... but I do know that many other things contribute.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
Basically, straight people don't kill themselves for being straight. Gays, the majority of the time, do. So, labeling a teen suicide as a gay teen suicide is justifiable because the intent is to raise awareness to the plight of gays. It isn't to exclude or make it seem as though gay suicides are more important. Suicides pertaining to bullying are usually emphasized in general, but I don't think anyone would make the argument that in doing so it makes bullying suicides seem more important than non-bullying suicides.
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But anyway, Im not arguing here, this should be a respectful thread.
There is a page of arguments
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Originally posted by PopBoi
But anyway, Im not arguing here, this should be a respectful thread.
There is a page of arguments
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No one is arguing, it's a simple conversation that's being discussed.
And I can't at you complaining about arguments and saying that this page should be respectful, and then you post a Naomi .GIF
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RIP Corey
*leaves thread*
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Originally posted by Aliens & Rainbows
No one is arguing, it's a simple conversation that's being discussed.
And I can't at you complaining about arguments and saying that this page should be respectful, and then you post a Naomi .GIF
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When you say somebody 'disgusts' you, it's more than a conversation.
And what are you talking about, Naomi is full of respect 
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Originally posted by PopBoi
When you say somebody 'disgusts' you, it's more than a conversation.
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It's an opinion. Deal with it.
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Originally posted by Aliens & Rainbows
No one is arguing, it's a simple conversation that's being discussed.
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You annoy me... quoting me and then telling me that I disgust you, is likely to bring out a reaction. You knew that I'd defend myself, so you were the one who started this unecassary argument.
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Where did it say he committed suicide because he was gay? Not every gay is trying to kill themselves.
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Originally posted by Cobato
Where did it say he committed suicide because he was gay? Not every gay is trying to kill themselves.
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It doesn't. But the majority of gay teens who kill themselves do it because they were gay.
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Originally posted by Jewfro
Sorry. Basically, straight people don't kill themselves for being straight. Gays, the majority of the time, do. So, labeling a teen suicide as a gay teen suicide is justifiable because the intent is to raise awareness to the plight of gays. It isn't to exclude or make it seem as though gay suicides are more important. Suicides pertaining to bullying are usually emphasized in general, but I don't think anyone would make the argument that in doing so it makes bullying suicides seem more important than non-bullying suicides.
Sometimes it doesn't have to be bullying. I've never been bullied for my sexual orientation (because the people in my life assume I'm straight) but there were times when I was figuring out my sexuality that I wanted to kill myself. And it had nothing to do with how I was treated. The same instance could exist here.
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Well I do agree with that, the point that I was making is that the article title on PH's site makes it seem as though he DEFINITELY did it cos he was gay, like he was bullied or something, but he just happens to be gay and committed suicide.For all we know he did it cos ... never mind, I wont say it, its disrespectful. But what I mean is, he could have done it for the same reason a straight person did it. there are more gay suicide than shown in the media, its just that the recent ones were made public cos it related to them being gay.
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Coming from a high school point of view, some become depressed when people call them gay, not if they necessarily are gay, because they strive so hard to fit in.
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Originally posted by PopBoi
Well I do agree with that, the point that I was making is that the article title on PH's site makes it seem as though he DEFINITELY did it cos he was gay, like he was bullied or something, but he just happens to be gay and committed suicide.For all we know he did it cos ... never mind, I wont say it, its disrespectful. But what I mean is, he could have done it for the same reason a straight person did it. there are more gay suicide than shown in the media, its just that the recent ones were made public cos it related to them being gay.
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True; I personally would bet it had something to do with sexuality and we just aren't getting the whole story. But I won't eliminate the possibility that I'm wrong.
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It's gonna take more than wearing a purple t-shirt to stop this. 
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Originally posted by Aliens & Rainbows
It doesn't. But the majority of gay teens who kill themselves do it because they were gay.
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It's not absolute,he could have killed himself because he was suffering from depression,mental disorders,etc.
There are many gays who've killed themselves without sexual orientation being a factor.
All of this is nothing but speculations and assumptions just because he is gay.
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I am really sick of this **** like seriously.
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Originally posted by Cobato
It's not absolute,he could have killed himself because he was suffering from depression,mental disorders,etc.
There are many gays who've killed themselves without sexual orientation being a factor.
All of this is nothing but speculations and assumptions just because he is gay.
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Listen, I just have experienced this stuff first hand and I know how it feels.
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Originally posted by Cobato
All of this is nothing but speculations and assumptions just because he is gay.
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Yeh it is misleading. He could have suffered from a mental disorder...
So some of you others cannot say the title is used to raise awareness of gay suicides. They have no evidence. It could have been because of depression, anxiety, SAD but they haven't raised awareness for that have they?
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