Why are y'all getting so butt hurt over my statement? I didn't say Beyoncé didn't have natural talent. She obviously could sing but what IM saying is that to be the prime vocalist that she is today, she had to take a lot of voice lessons to get where she is.. Aint nothing wrong with that. Too see her vocal growth from "No No No" to "Love On Top" is amazing.
In Xtina's case, she had all of the talents from the jump. She had the power. She had the range. She had the tone. With years of improper teqnique really hindered her voice, if she would have let her ego down and take vocal lessons, her voice would really be ranked up there with the greats such as Whitney and Mariah, because she had all the qualities from the gate.
And how is that different from any other great vocalist? They ALL trained extremely hard to get to where they were. Aretha had extensive gospel and vocal training. Whitney too. She didn't just open her mouth and deliver all that greatness with top control. She had to LEARN how to do it, and has said many times how tough it was being trained by her mother. Same with Mariah, whose mother also taught her.
"Tone" is not talent. Power is not a talent. Range is not a talent. Those are GIFTS, which, when properly combined with the other vocal qualities and properly CONTROLLED, LEAD to talent.
Whitney's voice resonance, balanced scale and clarity are something miraculous. Mariah's extensive range and agility are something miraculous. Beyonce's contrasting colors in her registers, which are still all seamless, is something miraculous.
These are innate qualities in their voices that training just helped blossom more. There's absolutely nothing miraculous or special about Christina's vocal qualities.
As stated previously, she DID get lessons. She just lacked the proper know-how of how to apply them. If she did have the know-how, she wouldn't be "up there" with Mariah and Whitney at all. Granted, she wouldn't sound like her cords were passing through a meat skewer, she'd have better intonation and vocalize with less effort, but Mariah and Whitney are MUSICIANS. When Christina opens her mouth, it's a musical horror show.
It's ALL about musicianship, something Beyonce has had in spades since she was a child. Her understanding of harmony, melody, her sense of rhythm. It was far beyond anything Christina was doing.
So you guys really think that Christina never trained her voice, what kind of ******** is that.
If you knew what proper vocal technique entailed then you would instantly recognise Xtina's lack of training and her horrible technique as a result. She's frustrates me tbh, she was born with an out of this world gift and totally ruined it by not training and using her basic throat technique. She could've been the next Whitney if she had only learned how to place her voice and support .
And it's blasé don't-give-a-fuq "I just wanna twerk and fist pump to a generic pop beat, no matter how vapid the song is" attitudes like yours that is the reason why music is dying. Don't care about integrity...don't try to impress... Of course not. Why bother to practice, train, rehearse, or put for an effort to make a good product when you can just act a fool on Twitter and Instagram? That's what I want from a pop star. Someone who I could sing better than, but is better than me at online snapshots.
Yeah...
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Some of you sound so stupid. "Beyonce had to work really hard to get where she is today vocally. Christina is a natural talent".
That makes no sense.
#1- If training gives a singer virtuosic ability, then ANYONE could become a great vocalist, even with minimal talent. That is not the case. A considerable amount of talent has to be there for the voice and singing to grow and develop to such a high level. If you are not a gifted athlete, no amount of training will make you top-tier. Beyonce's a virtuoso vocalist. So there goes that.
#2- Tone=/= ability. No matter how beautiful you find a person's tone, that is in no way indicative of the full scope of talent they hold (or could potentially hold). Vocal training would make Christina Aguilera better than she is now, not better than Beyonce, especially seeing as how they're both of similar vocal size, except Beyonce's voice is far more agile.
#3- Christina has been trained. She just lacks/lacked the intelligence to properly apply what she learned. So she can't be a more "naturally" gifted singer if the intelligence isn't there.
#4- Trained talent IS NATURAL talent. It's not unnatural, supernatural or artificial. It's not a separate kind of talent. It means the talent has been honed and developed.
#5- Those paragraphs weren't written by a vocal expert.
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And how is that different from any other great vocalist? They ALL trained extremely hard to get to where they were. Aretha had extensive gospel and vocal training. Whitney too. She didn't just open her mouth and deliver all that greatness with top control. She had to LEARN how to do it, and has said many times how tough it was being trained by her mother. Same with Mariah, whose mother also taught her.
"Tone" is not talent. Power is not a talent. Range is not a talent. Those are GIFTS, which, when properly combined with the other vocal qualities and properly CONTROLLED, LEAD to talent.
Whitney's voice resonance, balanced scale and clarity are something miraculous. Mariah's extensive range and agility are something miraculous. Beyonce's contrasting colors in her registers, which are still all seamless, is something miraculous.
These are innate qualities in their voices that training just helped blossom more. There's absolutely nothing miraculous or special about Christina's vocal qualities.
As stated previously, she DID get lessons. She just lacked the proper know-how of how to apply them. If she did have the know-how, she wouldn't be "up there" with Mariah and Whitney at all. Granted, she wouldn't sound like her cords were passing through a meat skewer, she'd have better intonation and vocalize with less effort, but Mariah and Whitney are MUSICIANS. When Christina opens her mouth, it's a musical horror show.
It's ALL about musicianship, something Beyonce has had in spades since she was a child. Her understanding of harmony, melody, her sense of rhythm. It was far beyond anything Christina was doing.
THIS is why I love you, just stone cold hard facts and pure clockage
If you knew what proper vocal technique entailed then you would instantly recognise Xtina's lack of training and her horrible technique as a result. She's frustrates me tbh, she was born with an out of this world gift and totally ruined it by not training and using her basic throat technique. She could've been the next Whitney if she had only learned how to place her voice and support .
She couldn't and wouldn't have been the next Whitney. The size, flexibility, sound and resonance capabilities of the instruments are vastly different, amongst other things. Plus, Whitney was a great vocal musician. Christina is not, and musicianship is something that isn't caused by good technique.
And how is that different from any other great vocalist? They ALL trained extremely hard to get to where they were. Aretha had extensive gospel and vocal training. Whitney too. She didn't just open her mouth and deliver all that greatness with top control. She had to LEARN how to do it, and has said many times how tough it was being trained by her mother. Same with Mariah, whose mother also taught her.
"Tone" is not talent. Power is not a talent. Range is not a talent. Those are GIFTS, which, when properly combined with the other vocal qualities and properly CONTROLLED, LEAD to talent.
Whitney's voice resonance, balanced scale and clarity are something miraculous. Mariah's extensive range and agility are something miraculous. Beyonce's contrasting colors in her registers, which are still all seamless, is something miraculous.
These are innate qualities in their voices that training just helped blossom more. There's absolutely nothing miraculous or special about Christina's vocal qualities.
As stated previously, she DID get lessons. She just lacked the proper know-how of how to apply them. If she did have the know-how, she wouldn't be "up there" with Mariah and Whitney at all. Granted, she wouldn't sound like her cords were passing through a meat skewer, she'd have better intonation and vocalize with less effort, but Mariah and Whitney are MUSICIANS. When Christina opens her mouth, it's a musical horror show.
It's ALL about musicianship, something Beyonce has had in spades since she was a child. Her understanding of harmony, melody, her sense of rhythm. It was far beyond anything Christina was doing.
Agree with this, except for the bolded bit. Her technique (or lack thereof) is undeniably horrid, but saying there's nothing special about her voice is really overdoing it.
Agree with this, except for the bolded bit. Her technique (or lack thereof) is undeniably horrid, but saying there's nothing special about her voice is really overdoing it.
No, not really. There's nothing special about the amount of sound she can produce or her range. Nothing outstanding about her agility, vocal flexibility. She doesn't have specific vocal colors or harmonics to her voice that make it stand out.
Whitney has the resonance, clarity and evenness from top to bottom.
Mariah has otherworldly vocal agility and range.
Beyonce's voice contrasts in colors with each register. The lower register is dark and rich, her middle register is smooth and warm, her top register (when belting) is brassy, and her high notes spin like a soprano voice.
Christina?
Rihanna is this generation's Billy Holiday. People criticize her for her technique and range and control but she was more remembered than her peers who had spent their whole lives perfecting their middle whatshername. Rihanna just sings from her heart and its the reason why a girl from the left side of the island will continue to dominate. Others should really take note.
And how is that different from any other great vocalist? They ALL trained extremely hard to get to where they were. Aretha had extensive gospel and vocal training. Whitney too. She didn't just open her mouth and deliver all that greatness with top control. She had to LEARN how to do it, and has said many times how tough it was being trained by her mother. Same with Mariah, whose mother also taught her.
"Tone" is not talent. Power is not a talent. Range is not a talent. Those are GIFTS, which, when properly combined with the other vocal qualities and properly CONTROLLED, LEAD to talent.
Whitney's voice resonance, balanced scale and clarity are something miraculous. Mariah's extensive range and agility are something miraculous. Beyonce's contrasting colors in her registers, which are still all seamless, is something miraculous.
These are innate qualities in their voices that training just helped blossom more. There's absolutely nothing miraculous or special about Christina's vocal qualities.
As stated previously, she DID get lessons. She just lacked the proper know-how of how to apply them. If she did have the know-how, she wouldn't be "up there" with Mariah and Whitney at all. Granted, she wouldn't sound like her cords were passing through a meat skewer, she'd have better intonation and vocalize with less effort, but Mariah and Whitney are MUSICIANS. When Christina opens her mouth, it's a musical horror show.
It's ALL about musicianship, something Beyonce has had in spades since she was a child. Her understanding of harmony, melody, her sense of rhythm. It was far beyond anything Christina was doing.
This is something they don't seem to understand apprently. X-Tina is not a "musician", she doesn't understand music, as is evident by her out of control "runs".
Beyoncé knows how to tackle a song, even when she was a kid. She had the innate ability to hear melodies and harmonies most non-musically inclined people don't.
She couldn't and wouldn't have been the next Whitney. The size, flexibility, sound and resonance capabilities of the instruments are vastly different, amongst other things. Plus, Whitney was a great vocal musician. Christina is not, and musicianship is something that isn't caused by good technique.
She is still an amazing vocalist though even with her technique, so who knows how amazing she could've been with applied training. With support, resonance and proper placement her voice could've be pretty extraordinary. Even with training I've always felt that Beyonce has a naturally light voice, it lacks raw power and intensity imo.
She is still an amazing vocalist though even with her technique, so who knows how amazing she could've been with applied training. With support, resonance and proper placement her voice could've be pretty extraordinary. Even with training I've always felt that Beyonce has a naturally light voice, it lacks raw power and intensity imo.
She is still an amazing vocalist though even with her technique, so who knows how amazing she could've been with applied training. With support, resonance and proper placement her voice could've be pretty extraordinary. Even with training I've always felt that Beyonce has a naturally light voice, it lacks raw power and intensity imo.
P.S Love your avi!
Beyonce and Christina are in the same category when it comes to vocal size. However, Beyonce creates a lot more sound with a lot less effort.
This thread is hilarious. OMG! lol DEAD@ this entire thread and these stans A.K.A "music experts." BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCHHHH!!! LOL
Xtina girl, you have an amazing gift and you are The Voice of this generation as many of your peers have deemed you. Your tone and range is undeniable as whitney and Celine have stated before. You are the little girl who can SANNNNG as Ms. Patti Labelle has said. So Xtina stans, listening to a few knots who have screennames like, "I Bttm 4 Bey, I met Kelly at the Deli, Lambchops, and Chimmey" is a waste of time.
To be honest they were almost spot on with Rihanna, she does have a great voice and has a great chest register, her main problem is that she lacks technique. Once she learns how to properly use her voice she would really be a force to be reckoned with as her voice is also improving and maturing as time progresses.
She wouldn't be anywhere close to Whitney. Two completely different types of voices when comparing the anatomy.
I remember you saying she had potential to be great in Youtube videos, back in 2008/2009. After you started the "let's hate Xtina's vocals" bandwagon you suddenly changed your opinion and instead chose to say she is a hopeless and untalented mess. Cute.
And yeah, maybe I exaggerated with that assumption. However, I strongly consider she would be very good if she had proper vocal training and discipline. She said herself, she was self-taught and never received vocal lessons, which I consider her biggest mistake ever. However, maybe she just meant she grew up with no education, music wise. It would be nice if you bring a reliable source about her getting vocal lessons, cause you seem to be very confident about it.
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This is the dumbest thing ever. A professional recording artist who was covered Whit on her 1st album a never-trained vocalist? I understand where the delusion comes from.
She had vocal training, she is not worse because she never had one. She is bad now because she doesn't use the good technique and can't understand the limitations of her voice.
And I didn't she can't improve but better than Bey? Hell no.
#1. How on earth does being "covered Whit" have to do with being trained? She said she received no musical education, she just tried to imitate what she heard Mariah, Whitney, Etta and others do. Versus, someone that has been trained and shaped to be a star ever since she was a little child.
#2. Bring proof about her having vocal training. I will be waiting.
I remember you saying she had potential to be great in Youtube videos, back in 2008/2009. After you started the "let's hate Xtina's vocals" bandwagon you suddenly changed your opinion and instead chose to say she is a hopeless and untalented mess. Cute.
And yeah, maybe I exaggerated with that assumption. However, I strongly consider she would be very good if she had proper vocal training and discipline. She said herself, she was self-taught and never received vocal lessons, which I consider her biggest mistake ever. However, maybe she just meant she grew up with no education, music wise. It would be nice if you bring a reliable source about her getting vocal lessons, cause you seem to be very confident about it.
#1. How on earth does being "covered Whit" have to do with being trained? She said she received no musical education, she just tried to imitate what she heard Mariah, Whitney, Etta and others do. Versus, someone that has been trained and shaped to be a star ever since she was a little child.
#2. Bring proof about her having vocal training. I will be waiting.
But this whole vocal "technique" thing is a cop out. And only these stans use this argument. I don't like Whitney, Mariah, Celine, etc... because they had a good technique. I liked them because they can SANG! Every singer has bad habits, but this thread is full of crap. I am literally laughing because these stans really conceived themselves that Xtina's voice is completely gone.
But this whole vocal "technique" thing is a cop out. And only these stans use this argument. I don't like Whitney, Mariah, Celine, etc... because they had a good technique. I liked them because they can SANG! Every singer has bad habits, but this thread is full of crap. I am literally laughing because these stans really conceived themselves that Xtina's voice is completely gone.
That's true. Most people don't even care about how resonant a belt is, or how connected someone's registers are. But you know, there will always be pretentious people in this world.
It's not completely gone, but it has severely declined. That's for sure.
I remember you saying she had potential to be great in Youtube videos, back in 2008/2009. After you started the "let's hate Xtina's vocals" bandwagon you suddenly changed your opinion and instead chose to say she is a hopeless and untalented mess. Cute. .
What the ****?!
I'd LOVE for you to show me where I've called her a hopeless and untalented mess. Really. Show me.
And since when does "having the potential to be great" mean "having the potential to be close to Whitney Houston?" And "having the potential to be great" isn't the same as "being great", so unless I once said she was the latter, you have absolutely no point.
Sit your ass down. You stans dwell in the Twilight Zone. I don't have the power, time or invested feelings to start a "Let's hate Xtina's vocals" bandwagon. Believe it or not, but there are people out there who just don't like her singing. I didn't have to "start" anything. But if I did, my impact>>>>>
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And yeah, maybe I exaggerated with that assumption. However, I strongly consider she would be very good if she had proper vocal training and discipline. She said herself, she was self-taught and never received vocal lessons, which I consider her biggest mistake ever. However, maybe she just meant she grew up with no education, music wise. It would be nice if you bring a reliable source about her getting vocal lessons, cause you seem to be very confident about it.
Back in 2003, on her E! special, they talked about how her voice would give out when recording in the studio after an hour or so of singing, so they got her a vocal coach to teach her things like breath control.
And read here: http://books.google.com/books?id=slp...page&q&f=false
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