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Discussion: Vocal Expert weighs in on Rih, Bey, Xtina, Mimi, Whit
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by dcode78
DEAD @ Rihanna taking over this thread.  Clearly, she's the least vocally talented of the group, but to make her the star of this thread though..
If Rihanna actually had some vocal training(or cared at least to perfect her voice) she wouldn't get criticized as much. She has improved alot though. |
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Why would this vocal coach feel the need to include Rih among these vocalists tho?
He must be part of the HIVE 
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Where's Amy Winehouse? The voice of her generation.
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Originally posted by RomanNavy
What is this mess? Beyonce is knows to sing so hard it sounds like screaming. Not Rihanna..
And she always hits the right notes in WHYB and WMN. Like  |
Wow. The delusion. Rihanna is a great example of screaming in her songs.
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Originally posted by Chimier
Then if I didn't say it "with those words", I didn't say it period. So no, I don't get the point, because it's clear you have none.
Let me entertain myself for a bit.
I say: She wouldn't be anywhere close to Whitney.
You respond: I remember you saying she had potential to be great in Youtube videos, back in 2008/2009. Then you started a "let's hate Xtina's vocals" bandwagon, changed your opinion and instead chose to say she is a hopeless and untalented mess.
Now you're saying: I never said "having the potential to be great" meant "having the potential to be close to Whitney Houston".
So....exactly why did you bring up those alleged YT comments in response to me saying she wouldn't be anywhere close to Whitney? You clearly thought you had "proof" of me saying something that went against what I'm saying now, hence why you mentioned it. Your response would've made sense if I said "she isn't anywhere close to having great potential". Seeing as I didn't say that, though, the one with no point still is you.
If I wanted to say Christina was a "hopeless and UNTALENTED" mess, I'd say it JUST like that, so that there'd be no confusion, no misinterpretation. Not once have I ever said she was untalented. I've said that her vocals are a mess, that what she does musically is a mess and that she's not a great singer. That's not the same as saying she's untalented. If you didn't see me use the word "untalented" or the phrase "she cannot sing", then do yourself a favor and keep a lid on that imagination of yours. And if I DID say anything of the sort, I wanna see the receipts. Simple.
My feet are placed firmly on the ground. If you want more practice at using that great imagination of yours which has clearly become fodder for most of your posts, try to come up with something that makes you look as if you have at least one foot firmly planted in reality as opposed to both feet planted in delusion.
That doesn't matter. As pointed out, Aretha, Whitney and Mariah were trained from childhood. They didn't just open their mouths and control the sound coming out with such perfection and skill, so your point is dead. Oh snap. Scratch that. I already said that you didn't have one.
Christina doesn't have the know-how to apply what she's learned from her vocal teachers. Beyonce did and does. In addition, she has far greater vocal capabilities. Training didn't "give it" to her. Training brought it out. That's what training does. It strengthens skills, it manifests skills, it increases vocal efficiency. It doesn't give people the ability to sing. What it GIVES is vocal control.
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Spreading negativity, if you want it to be very technical.
Exactly. I said "had the potential to be great", where exactly did I mention Whitney there? That statement had nothing to do with Whitney. I specifically answered the Whitney part AFTER that. 
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Originally posted by Rolland
And yeah, maybe I exaggerated with that assumption. However, I strongly consider she would be very good if she had proper vocal training and discipline. She said herself, she was self-taught and never received vocal lessons, which I consider her biggest mistake ever. However, maybe she just meant she grew up with no education, music wise. It would be nice if you bring a reliable source about her getting vocal lessons, cause you seem to be very confident about it.
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Mhm, and that is what Aguilera does not have. She might have had help a couple of times, but it's obvious she didn't continue with those vocal lessons or had regular vocal training as the others. As someone mentioned later, being a vocalist is as being an athlete, if you don't practice and do what it takes to be great you won't be great. We can't really compare a well-trained athlete to an amateur-esque one. No need to get so defensive.
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Originally posted by Timber
 Chimier snatching wigs like always. |
He definitely knows what he's talking about
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Good sis, Chimier dragging the uninformed gerls with knowledge & receipts.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
Beyonce, for me, is the vocalist of this generation. She is an A class legend, and huge sales or huge sales not, she is written in the history books in big fat bold ass gold letters.  |
Yeah, I'd say either Queen Bey, P!nk, or Adele. They have such powerful voices and they've all made such an impact on the music industry. They are definitely some of the most talented musicians in the music world today.
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WAIT!
Dead at this blog being from early 2012 tho
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Are ya'll really choosing some random ass Twitter user for receipts? And its a she not a he.
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What kinda drag
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Originally posted by SLAYANNA NAVY
WAIT!
Dead at this blog being from early 2012 tho |
doesnt change the fact that rihanna is the lesser vocalist of all 
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Originally posted by Rolland
Spreading negativity, if you want it to be very technical.
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That's not being technical, that's been very general and subjective, for what you CLAIM I said that might be "negative", others might not see it as such. But hey, you don't have receipts for the things you claimed I supposedly said, so I'm not even going to bother dwelling on that lol.
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Originally posted by Rolland
Exactly. I said "had the potential to be great", where exactly did I mention Whitney there? That statement had nothing to do with Whitney. I specifically answered the Whitney part AFTER that. |
No, you said this:
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Originally posted by Rolland
Christina would be the closest to a new Whitney (best singer ever in popular music), if she had vocal lessons. A shame.
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Hence my response "She wouldn't be anywhere near Whitney". Nice try, but try again.
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Originally posted by Rolland
Mhm, and that is what Aguilera does not have. She might have had help a couple of times, but it's obvious she didn't continue with those vocal lessons or had regular vocal training as the others.
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She might have had help a "couple" of times? LMAO she got training in the Mickey Mouse Club, she got training when she was recording Reflection and CONTINUED to get it. As shown in one of the screenshots I posted, she said "I do work with a vocal coach now out of New York. He helps me...I try to do exercises for 45 minutes a day. There is a tape that I exercise to".
This is not a case of her just having "two lessons" or "two quick tips" from a vocal coach and then just going off instinct the rest of the time. You might like that to be the case, but as we can see, truth tells a different story, and the truth is she's received a lot of vocal training. The shoddy quality of her vocals and the decline she's experienced is down her inability to translate what she's been taught into her technique to make it effective. Going a step further, the fact that Bey is able to translate what she learned so well shows a greater "natural talent" than Christina, who isn't able to do so.
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Originally posted by Rolland
As someone mentioned later, being a vocalist is as being an athlete, if you don't practice and do what it takes to be great you won't be great. We can't really compare a well-trained athlete to an amateur-esque one. No need to get so defensive.
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Yet you stated with such boldness that she could've been the next Whitney. And you had no issue stating before that Christina was more naturally gifted:
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Originally posted by Rolland
No one can deny she is a skilled vocalist, the same way no one can deny Christina is more naturally gifted than Beyoncé.
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Now of all a sudden, we can't compare them because Beyonce is well-trained and Christina "isn't".
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Originally posted by nihility
Well she sings live...sometimes. Part of the excitement of being at a Britney concert is catching when she finally sings a song live; it's like a treat.  |
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Originally posted by Chimier
And how is that different from any other great vocalist? They ALL trained extremely hard to get to where they were. Aretha had extensive gospel and vocal training. Whitney too. She didn't just open her mouth and deliver all that greatness with top control. She had to LEARN how to do it, and has said many times how tough it was being trained by her mother. Same with Mariah, whose mother also taught her.
"Tone" is not talent. Power is not a talent. Range is not a talent. Those are GIFTS, which, when properly combined with the other vocal qualities and properly CONTROLLED, LEAD to talent.
Whitney's voice resonance, balanced scale and clarity are something miraculous. Mariah's extensive range and agility are something miraculous. Beyonce's contrasting colors in her registers, which are still all seamless, is something miraculous.
These are innate qualities in their voices that training just helped blossom more. There's absolutely nothing miraculous or special about Christina's vocal qualities.
As stated previously, she DID get lessons. She just lacked the proper know-how of how to apply them. If she did have the know-how, she wouldn't be "up there" with Mariah and Whitney at all. Granted, she wouldn't sound like her cords were passing through a meat skewer, she'd have better intonation and vocalize with less effort, but Mariah and Whitney are MUSICIANS. When Christina opens her mouth, it's a musical horror show.
It's ALL about musicianship, something Beyonce has had in spades since she was a child. Her understanding of harmony, melody, her sense of rhythm. It was far beyond anything Christina was doing.
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Again, I have no problem with Bey or any singer taking vocal lessons, hell I applaud her for it.
My point is, I saw more potential vocally in Young Xtina than I did in Young Beyoncé.
IF, IF, IF Xtina would have taken as many vocal classes as Bey, she would be up there with the greats IN MY OPINION, but it's too late for that, lol.
If Teen Xtina and Teen Bey were on stage live together, Id put my Money on Xtina, hands down.
In 2013, Obviously Bey is the champ.
God bless.
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Originally posted by Adele Addict
Yeah, I'd say either Queen Bey, P!nk, or Adele. They have such powerful voices and they've all made such an impact on the music industry. They are definitely some of the most talented musicians in the music world today. |
Adele & Pink aren't **** compared to TRUE great vocalists that are Whitney and Mariah
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Originally posted by Lasers
Again, I have no problem with Bey or any singer taking vocal lessons, hell I applaud her for it.
My point is, I saw more potential vocally in Young Xtina than I did in Young Beyoncé.
IF, IF, IF Xtina would have taken as many vocal classes as Bey, she would be up there with the greats IN MY OPINION, but it's too late for that, lol.
If Teen Xtina and Teen Bey were on stage live together, Id put my Money on Xtina, hands down.
In 2013, Obviously Bey is the champ.
God bless.
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Again, your potential argument doesn't even make sense.
But I digress.
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Originally posted by Lasers
Again, I have no problem with Bey or any singer taking vocal lessons, hell I applaud her for it.
My point is, I saw more potential vocally in Young Xtina than I did in Young Beyoncé.
IF, IF, IF Xtina would have taken as many vocal classes as Bey, she would be up there with the greats IN MY OPINION, but it's too late for that, lol.
If Teen Xtina and Teen Bey were on stage live together, Id put my Money on Xtina, hands down.
In 2013, Obviously Bey is the champ.
God bless.
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I don't think your understanding what Chimier is saying.
You are saying that Christina was more able than Beyoncé in the beginning, but Beyoncé developed to be better.
Chimier is saying that Beyoncé was always special and Christina was never special, regardless of training, and that the use of poor technique has just made Christina's situation worse whereas the use of proper technique has only brought out greatness in Beyoncé that was there from the start anyway.
Is my analysis accurate? 
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
You are saying that Christina was more able than Beyoncé in the beginning, but Beyoncé developed to be better.
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Bingo. I guess me and Chimer will agree to disagree lol
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