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Poll: The "Trinity": Does Gaga really belong in it?
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Voted No by accident. But yes, Gaga is in their league. She has achieved so much in the span of 4-5 years whether you like it or not.
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So are you saying that Gaga is achieving things at a faster rate than Britney/Beyonce did to already be in their league?
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Originally posted by hector.adriel
And yet Beyonce's album sales and tour force combined with DC's don't match Britney's. 
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Don't even entertain the tired "OH 1998!" bit. They have nothing else.
No one cared about the fake baby bump until we realized it was fake in the interview that it popped.
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
Um, I can't count the number of times I've heard people in the general public admit that Gaga's actually talented but weird.
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I never hear anything about Gaga's talent. People just think she is odd and is a fruitcake. She has too much going on and that turns off the GP, which is why BTW was, what is was compared to TFM where Gaga was more easily accessible and more novelty then weird and deviant.
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It's not like the general public is so familiar with Britney's personality, either.
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People know that Britney is nice and southern, also a bit dumb but her image is one of a sweet girl and that comes from an extensive imaging/branding campaign that was done with Jive to sell her as America's Sweetheart girl nextdoor and she is.
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"that trainwreck embodiment of everything that's wrong with celebrity culture and oh I remember BOMT that was fun, too." #noshadejusttruth
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Your UK? That explains it, but in general people do remember Britney for her teen days, obvious the breakdown is still there but there's an underscore or note of American Tragedy around her breakdown rather than just oh she went crazy one day. Since she came back she is remote but I would still say by and large people remember her as a girl who had too much and she lost control, over a girl who just lost it for no reason. There is a launch pad for the before shot, rather than just seeing the after.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
This has to be the most tired and lame excuse in the book. A lot of dates or not, there was obviously demand, and even beyond that, she outgrossed Britney's debut tour in every way imaginable: total gross, gross per date, gross by country, ticket sales, venue size, reviews, merchandise sales; so you can stop with that bull****. Britney wasn't capable of it, and she never will be again, because at the end of the day her conservators could barely drag her ass through an 80-date tour and get her to stay conscious in a music video where all she had to do was stand still in a giant-ass white dress. Meanwhile, Gaga's second tour will push her past Britney's entire touring career gross, and with less dates I might add.
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Obviously some of the dates were on demand. But if you are doing 550, you are undoubtedly going to see high numbers. And tour sales weren't the same as they were back then. Britney had enough demand to do stadiums as well. And merchandise sales? The Onyx Hotel Tour set the record for concert merchandise sales.
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Originally posted by DullEnlightenment
So are you saying that Gaga is achieving things at a faster rate than Britney/Beyonce did to already be in their league?
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Well it is too early to tell and she is declining majorly too. But she did in fact achieve a lot in only a few years. But then again so did Britney from 1998-2002-3.
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No, Really in ATRL she is Overrated, u know OUTSIDE the net, EXISTS THE GENERAL PUBLIC. And you might say, heck, The GP is boring. But these are the people who determine what songs are iconic or not. Let me reword, iconic, as if well known. And tbh The GP doesnt like Lady Gaga, I mean just because she had a a 500+M vid youtube does NOT mean her songs is iconic, do you think the GP is gonna actually gonna go on YT and Check the views, they could really careless. And she has a big stanbase because she clearly leads and ssings to a specific group (which are they Gays) , but othet than that, worldwide and among the GP, She's not very Viewed as "The icon" .
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
This has to be the most tired and lame excuse in the book. A lot of dates or not, there was obviously demand, and even beyond that, she outgrossed Britney's debut tour in every way imaginable: total gross, gross per date, gross by country, ticket sales, venue size, reviews, merchandise sales; so you can stop with that bull****. Britney wasn't capable of it, and she never will be again, because at the end of the day her conservators could barely drag her ass through an 80-date tour and keep her conscious long enough for them to film her standing still in a giant white dress. Meanwhile, Gaga's second tour will push her past Britney's entire touring career gross, and with less dates I might add.
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Can you shut up for one minute and read what's actually being discussed. E.i. How inflation has changed tours and why. How Britney's never embarked on a stadium tour, how ticket prices have changed, etc.
When you read all of that in the previous pages you'll see why your argument's 100% invalid. 
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Originally posted by cuitrex
No, Really in ATRL she is Overrated, u know OUTSIDE the net, EXISTS THE GEBERAL PUBLIC. And you might say, heck, The GP is boring. But these are the people who determine what songs are iconic or not. Let me reword, iconic, as if well known. And tbh The GP doesnt like Lady Gaga, I mean just because she had a a 500+M vid youtube does NOT mean her songs is iconic, do you think the GP is gonna actually gonna go on YT and Check the views, they could really careless. And she has a big stanbase because she clearly leads and ssings to a specific group (which are they Gays) , but othet than that, worldwide and among the GP, She's not very Viewed as "The icon" .
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Oh look y'all we have the voice of everyone in ATRL 
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Obviously some of the dates were on demand. But if you are doing 550, you are undoubtedly going to see high numbers. And tour sales weren't the same as they were back then. Britney had enough demand to do stadiums as well. And merchandise sales? The Onyx Hotel Tour set the record for concert merchandise sales.
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Basically I am not saying that Gaga didn't have demand to do 6578 dates, I am saying that her gross is obviously going to be higher for various factors considering the amount of dates she had. Britney is no slouch when it comes to touring but she was never that kind of tourer, the longest tour she ever did was around 90 dates long, and now that she has family and children to worry about she isn't going to go traipsing around the world for 5 years doing a thousand date tour just to get on Billboard's highest grossing tour ever list. There's no reason to even compare them to be honest. Touring is completely different now then it was than during Britney's prime.
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Originally posted by Monroe
I never hear anything about Gaga's talent. People just think she is odd and is a fruitcake. She has too much going on and that turns off the GP, which is why BTW was, what is was compared to TFM where Gaga was more easily accessible and more novelty then weird and deviant.
People know that Britney is nice and southern, also a bit dumb but her image is one of a sweet girl and that comes from an extensive imaging/branding campaign that was done with Jive to sell her as America's Sweetheart girl nextdoor and she is.
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I know you're speaking from your own personal experience with what people think about Gaga and Britney but I've had very different experiences... I also believe the GP sees Gaga as weird but many people have told me that she is soo smart and talented.. as for Britney.. I've had people mostly tell me that she's just blonde, fake, and whitetrash (this is NOT my opinion just words that I've heard from multiple people to describe her.)
And imo of coursse Gaga deserves a seat among the greats, she is one.
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
Obviously some of the dates were on demand. But if you are doing 550, you are undoubtedly going to see high numbers. And tour sales weren't the same as they were back then.
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Tour sales have been down the past several years. And her apparently awful $1.12M average during the Monster Ball Tour is higher than every single one of Britney's tours except for Circus.
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Britney had enough demand to do stadiums as well. And merchandise sales? The Onyx Hotel Tour set the record for concert merchandise sales.
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Read it again.
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Originally posted by Monroe
I never hear anything about Gaga's talent. People just think she is odd and is a fruitcake. She has too much going on and that turns off the GP, which is why BTW was, what is was compared to TFM where Gaga was more easily accessible and more novelty then weird and deviant.
People know that Britney is nice and southern, also a bit dumb but her image is one of a sweet girl and that comes from an extensive imaging/branding campaign that was done with Jive to sell her as America's Sweetheart girl nextdoor and she is.
Your UK? That explains it, but in general people do remember Britney for her teen days, obvious the breakdown is still there but there's an underscore or note of American Tragedy around her breakdown rather than just oh she went crazy one day. Since she came back she is remote but I would still say by and large people remember her as a girl who had too much and she lost control, over a girl who just lost it for no reason. There is a launch pad for the before shot, rather than just seeing the after.
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Like I said, this is pretty much going to devolve into anecdotal evidence. I, personally, don't know many people who are sympathetic to Britney and don't believe that she should just retire at this point. And that's a harsher estimation than I hold of her because I do believe she was exploited and have a lot of sympathy for the mental issues she's obviously gone through.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by cuitrex
No, Really in ATRL she is Overrated, u know OUTSIDE the net, EXISTS THE GENERAL PUBLIC. And you might say, heck, The GP is boring. But these are the people who determine what songs are iconic or not. Let me reword, iconic, as if well known. And tbh The GP doesnt like Lady Gaga, I mean just because she had a a 500+M vid youtube does NOT mean her songs is iconic, do you think the GP is gonna actually gonna go on YT and Check the views, they could really careless. And she has a big stanbase because she clearly leads and ssings to a specific group (which are they Gays) , but othet than that, worldwide and among the GP, She's not very Viewed as "The icon" .
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And who does the GP view as the icon? Ke$ha? Lil Wayne? Carly Rae Jepsen?
The GP may have mixed reactions towards Gaga, but they can agree that she is succesful, and among all the pop girls, she IS an icon.
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Originally posted by cuitrex
No, Really in ATRL she is Overrated, u know OUTSIDE the net, EXISTS THE GEBERAL PUBLIC. And you might say, heck, The GP is boring. But these are the people who determine what songs are iconic or not. Let me reword, iconic, as if well known. And tbh The GP doesnt like Lady Gaga, I mean just because she had a a 500+M vid youtube does NOT mean her songs is iconic, do you think the GP is gonna actually gonna go on YT and Check the views, they could really careless. And she has a big stanbase because she clearly leads and ssings to a specific group (which are they Gays) , but othet than that, worldwide and among the GP, She's not very Viewed as "The icon" .
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SIS. You have me screaming.
I'm not sure if Bad Romance is iconic, at least yet. We will have to see.
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Originally posted by Monroe
Basically I am not saying that Gaga didn't have demand to do 6578 dates, I am saying that her gross is obviously going to be higher for various factors considering the amount of dates she had. Britney is no slouch when it comes to touring but she was never that kind of tourer, the longest tour she ever did was around 90 dates long, and now that she has family and children to worry about she isn't going to go traipsing around the world for 5 years doing a thousand date tour just to get on Billboard's highest grossing tour ever list. There's no reason to even compare them to be honest. Touring is completely different now then it was than during Britney's prime.
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Right? They use their album sales excuse so we have the absolute right to use the touring excuse as well. 
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Comparing Gaga's tour in 2009 to Britney's in 1999. I cannot. 
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Originally posted by Johnny
SIS. You have me screaming.
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Some people aren't always going to have perfect grammar and also re-read what they wrote about 3 times to edit just to sound smart on a pop forum.
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Originally posted by hector.adriel
And yet Beyonce's album sales and tour force combined with DC's don't match Britney's.
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Yet Beyonce's networth is still larger than Britney's.
But it's not like she actually owns that money anyways thanks to that conservatorship
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
This has to be the most tired and lame excuse in the book. A lot of dates or not, there was obviously demand, and even beyond that, she outgrossed Britney's debut tour in every way imaginable: total gross, gross per date, gross by country, ticket sales, venue size, reviews, merchandise sales; so you can stop with that bull****. Britney wasn't capable of it, and she never will be again, because at the end of the day her conservators could barely drag her ass through an 80-date tour and keep her conscious long enough for them to film her standing still in a giant white dress. Meanwhile, Gaga's second tour will push her past Britney's entire touring career gross, and with less dates I might add.
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Umm touring has changed a lot in the past 15 years. In 1999 the only people to even push near $100 were Michael Jackson, and major rock bands. not even Madonna could do it. Then Britney toured like crazy but did different tours. By her second album she already took part in 5 tours. No one toured for long dates, it was a few dates, then a different tour. Ticket prices were cheap as hell back then too, now its expensive. The only way to tour and make the big buck was to do a long tour, and have expensive tickets. But no one would come to your show. The reason touring changed was because of the Rolling Stones, and Pink Floyd. Not even Gaga can touch Madonna's touring.
Madonna has a higher gross, and tours much less.
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