[2AM]

Originally posted by jose168

everything from my love is your love to deceased was a commercial failure

My Love Is Your Love - 12M+ WW
Whitney: The Greatest Hits - 13M+
I Look To You - 3M+

How are these commercial failures?
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And how can you say that she had no lasting power? Her last LP, released in 2009, debuted at #1 in the US with her highest debut week ever.
What are you talking about?

[Chimier]

Originally posted by A Little Unruly

Yes. ATRL won't have it, though.

Especially Whitney. She was barely poppin' for 15 years, never pushed any boundaries musically and doesn't even have a proper great or classic album. She's really just a vocal legend. Beyoncé has done sooo much more, tbh.

#1- "Barely poppin' for 15 years"
She had:
The best-selling debut of all-time
The best-selling single by a female artist
The best-selling album by a female artist
The best-selling soundtrack
The best-selling gospel album of all-time
The most consecutive #1 hits
All of her albums during that period went multi-platinum
The biggest European tour of 1999

#2- "Never pushed any boundaries musically"
This was a black female singer who came out in a white, male-rock dominated scene singing sweeping ballads and virtuosic uptempos. Part of the reason she was so successful was because she literally was the first of her kind. She took Aretha, Diana, Dionne, Streisand and Chaka and translated their vocal prowess into a signature pop-gospel singing style that has been the benchmark for the modern era, in addition to establishing the image of the modern pop diva.

#3- "She doesn't have a proper great or classic album"
Because, she, like other artists, such as Aretha, Diana and Stevie Wonder, are known for their entire catalogue of music with multiple standouts, as opposed to just one album of out many.
She has her debut, The Bodyguard and My Love is Your Love. All respective of different stages in her career, all very much beloved and significant.

#4- "She's really just a vocal legend."
I'm not even gonna address this one.

#5- " Beyoncé has done sooo much more, tbh."
Are we talking about the same Whitney Houston who dominated music, Hollywood and television? Pray tell when Beyonce ever did that. Exactly what "more" has Beyonce done, even in music? She hasn't released as many records, she hasn't performed live as much. Must be two Whitney Houstons.

[C.Damen]

Let me just say this:

Beyoncé doesn't HAVE to surpass anyone. She is in her own lane at the moment in a completely different climate than Mariah and Whitney Houston. Her music acclaim has gotten better with each album release and her touring power has gotten increasingly better as well.

She continues to grow bigger as a star; a star that is different from the other artists. She does not have to pass, surpass, outdo, out-gross, outsell, or out-peak anyone because this is 2016. This is Beyoncé's time to shine and she is only going to grow as an artist from here on out whether you like it or not.

Has she sold 200 million records? Does she have a diamond album? A song that only gets attention during the Holiday season? No, but she excels in other areas. She's one of the few female artists that not only managed to go solo from a group, but find GREAT success. Not to mention her reputation as a live performer is revered and is one of the few females who can gross over $200 million on a stadium only tour.

Got it?



There's some Lemonade for ya.

[jose168]

Originally posted by T.C

Now i understand Jose's hesitance

you realize an album only out for 8 months can only chart for that long, right?

[IMPACTNET.]

Originally posted by PrettyHurts

I don't remember anyone in this thread posting any DC sales or receipts

People are comparing where Beyoncé is 20 years into her career to where Mariah and Whitney was. First of all, even with DC, she still hasn't reached 20 years. Secondly, it is not fair to compare where Whitney and Mariah were 20 years into their careers to where Beyoncé is, then proceed to lump her solo and group career into one. And again, with all that said, she still hasn't surpassed either.

[2AM]

Originally posted by T.C

Now i understand Jose's hesitance

[T.C]

Originally posted by jose168

you realize an album only out for 8 months can only chart for that long, right?

Mate it's dropped out of most of those charts.

It's only gone over 30 weeks in one of those countries

frontloaded mess

[Chimier]

Originally posted by T.C

Now i understand Jose's hesitance

I'd also like to add that in April 1999, when sales started picking up, Whitney was given a plaque for the album, certifying sales of 5 million worldwide.



In 2002, the IFPI certified My Love is Your Love four-times platinum, with sales of over 4 million in Europe.



Not bad for a flop.

[Mr. Wonder]

Originally posted by g.m.

No, her celebrity and impact are indeed bigger now than before. Difficult to deny and I won't get into touring stats just like I won't get into record sales since obviously touring stats will favour Bey since the touring industry is up and sales will favour older acts since the record industry is down.

That's because she's benefiting from social media and a number of platforms that are afforded to her. This is why context is important. But she's not "only getting bigger" because the commercial product doesn't reflect that.

[g.m.]

Woooo another #2 hit from MLIYL (behind only Cher's 'Believe' I think).

[JustActinUP]

The Beyoncé obsession threads by her naysayers is out of control. Predictable and pathetic.

[T.C]

So in resume

Lemonade did better than MLIYL in 3 countries

MLIYL crushed it everywhere else

[g.m.]

Originally posted by Mr. Wonder

That's because she's benefiting from social media and a number of platforms that are afforded to her. This is why context is important. But she's not "only getting bigger" because the commercial product doesn't reflect that.

Eh, I guess. Frankly I don't wanna debate with you again since this time we're even on the same side regarding the thread title.

[Inverted]

Originally posted by Chimier

Success...? Whitney and Mariah, both of whom have sold hundreds of millions of ALBUMS and have FAR more #1s and hit songs than Beyonce? Really? She surpassed them in success?

Beyonce SHOULD have more relevance in this generation than they do, seeing as how she's a part of it. That is completely different to overall CULTURAL relevance, where they surpass her by far.

How on earth can you compare Mariah and Whitney's album sales from the 80s and 90s to present day album sales? As for #1s being a measure of success, with that logic, Mariah and Whitney are more successful than Bruce Springsteen, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC and Garth Brooks. Nope.

No, I meant overall relevance. Beyonce is extremely relevant 20 years into her career (unlike both Mariah and Whitney) and much more relevant than Mariah and Whitney ever were. She's a household name and the tip of everyone's tongue. When people think of a generic celebrity name on the top of their head, they think Beyonce.

[Sheena]

Yes and she will have. longer career than both.

[Smilers]

If she hasn't yet, she's well on her way to. She's literally building a reputation as the greatest performer of all time and right now she's more revered than Whitney and Mariah ever was. Just look at the respect she gets at award shows

[Chimier]

Originally posted by Inverted

How on earth can you compare Mariah and Whitney's album sales from the 80s and 90s to present day album sales? As for #1s being a measure of success, with that logic, Mariah and Whitney are more successful than Bruce Springsteen, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC and Garth Brooks. Nope.

LOL you said Beyonce was more successful than Whitney and Mariah. Success is determined by sales and hits, no? Now it's "you can't compare". LOL.
And how successful Whitney and Mariah are in comparison to those artists are debatable. With Beyonce, not so much. She simply doesn't come close. And Garth Brooks, despite his gargantuan success in the United States, has never been able to translate that internationally.

Originally posted by Inverted

No, I meant overall relevance. Beyonce is extremely relevant 20 years into her career (unlike both Mariah and Whitney) and much more relevant than Mariah and Whitney ever were. She's a household name and the tip of everyone's tongue. When people think of a generic celebrity name on the top of their head, they think Beyonce.

You're STILL not talking about overall relevance.
#1- Beyonce started at 15. Whitney and Mariah did not. So 20 years in her career puts her at 35, as opposed to Whitney, who was 13 years into her career at 35 and Mariah, who was that age 15 years into her career.
#2- Beyonce built big, unlike Whitney and Mariah, who were simply big from the get-go. And their big>>>> her big. They sold more records, attained more hits, and Whitney was able to translate that success perfectly into other platforms of entertainment. She dominated Hollywood w/ The Bodyguard, Waiting to Exhale and The Preacher's Wife. And she dominated TV with Cinderella. AND she produced both Princess Diaries movies and Cheetah Girls 1 and 2.

Your generalized statements do not work as receipts. You're just talking.

Originally posted by Smilers

If she hasn't yet, she's well on her way to. She's literally building a reputation as the greatest performer of all time and right now she's more revered than Whitney and Mariah ever was. Just look at the respect she gets at award shows

Whitney Houston got standing ovations every single time she walked into a room and damn-near every single time she opened her mouth. And she, not Beyonce, is the most-awarded female artist of all-time.

[Mr. Wonder]

Originally posted by Chimier

#1- "Barely poppin' for 15 years"
She had:
The best-selling debut of all-time
The best-selling single by a female artist
The best-selling album by a female artist
The best-selling soundtrack
The best-selling gospel album of all-time
The most consecutive #1 hits
All of her albums during that period went multi-platinum
The biggest European tour of 1999

#2- "Never pushed any boundaries musically"
This was a black female singer who came out in a white, male-rock dominated scene singing sweeping ballads and virtuosic uptempos. Part of the reason she was so successful was because she literally was the first of her kind. She took Aretha, Diana, Dionne, Streisand and Chaka and translated their vocal prowess into a signature pop-gospel singing style that has been the benchmark for the modern era, in addition to establishing the image of the modern pop diva.

#3- "She doesn't have a proper great or classic album"
Because, she, like other artists, such as Aretha, Diana and Stevie Wonder, are known for their entire catalogue of music with multiple standouts, as opposed to just one album of out many.
She has her debut, The Bodyguard and My Love is Your Love. All respective of different stages in her career, all very much beloved and significant.

#4- "She's really just a vocal legend."
I'm not even gonna address this one.

#5- " Beyoncé has done sooo much more, tbh."
Are we talking about the same Whitney Houston who dominated music, Hollywood and television? Pray tell when Beyonce ever did that. Exactly what "more" has Beyonce done, even in music? She hasn't released as many records, she hasn't performed live as much. Must be two Whitney Houstons.

[Fans]

um she needs to surpass Britney first.

[funnychick]

No.