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Discussion: Pop Stars are WAY overpaid
Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
They're underpaid. The labels take most of the millions they earn.
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The labels have thousands of employees to pay, but yes the executives are overpaid too.
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Originally posted by FreeBitch
The highest paid Ponstar earned almost 30 millions dollars.
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I was sure Kim Kardashian made more.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
Why is economics a starting point in your discussion though?
You can turn this discussion into a Capitalism vs. Socialism discussion and keep telling me that from the Capitalistic standpoint my point is invalid, which could be true. But then again I never argued that my point was economically valid. I just identified the flaw in our society. You can justify it with economics all you want
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This thread has been going on for pages, so someone probably mentioned it, but have you ever stopped to consider the effect that pop stars (musicians in general), have on the world at large? You can't really make blanket statements about "value", without first defining what "value" even means...
Musicians provide us with music (obviously), which has numerous documented positive effects on human psychology and general well being. Music makes people feel good after a terrible day at school or work, music makes people feel alive when they have a social life that makes life seem empty. It inspires, it moves, it consoles. Yes, other professions offer humanity great achievements as well, but you can't simply undermine the massive effect that simply feeling good has on the world at large. What do you think those scientist do when they're tired of crunching numbers and finding hidden truths? What do you think helps them to unwind, so that they can continue their work refreshed? What relaxes them when they're having a drink with friends?
Yes, science can cure cancer, but it can't get you through a tough divorce. Hell, it can even cure depression, but it can't inspire you to truly LIVE. Music has a major effect on the energy of humanity, so how can you put any value on that?
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Ascension
It only seems that way because they have the attention of millions of people, but again, it's insignificant levels of importance from extremely large numbers of people as opposed to extreme importance to people on a localized and more individual basis.
Just to put this in perspective, I don't think there is a person in their right mind that would say a group of pop stars mattered more than their local police force or a sports team is more important than the doctors and nurses pulling 36 hour shifts at the local hospital.
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I understand that, and see where you're coming from with that.
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Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
Ok, but that's the exception. Between the teacher, the doctor, the policeman, the fireman, the nurse etc. Who's career is more meaningful ? How do you judge ?
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This is what I'm saying. A celebs career is valuable for entertainment, I can't argue with that. But why is it that many seem to worship celebrities more than other careers? Or even in the entertainment sect, there seems to be a higher value for people who don't seem to elevate society, or peoples minds and actions. I get it that we like to be entertained. But how many cringeworthy reality shows do we need on TV? How many short lived celebrities do we have to have shoved down our throats? Its one thing, to be a celebrity, but its another to flaunt your wealth without doing anything valuable.
Like it sometimes pains me to think that a teacher who inspires the minds of many, won't get the appreciation or fraction of the wealth that someone like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian gets.
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Member Since: 6/18/2012
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None of you are wrong...
Each of you just look at it from a different perspective and reasoning
And each of the reasoning is valid
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Some of you are going at the op like he threatened to cut YOUR salary.
Please leave the stanning **** to the side for a minute.
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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Originally posted by inspiration4
This thread has been going on for pages, so someone probably mentioned it, but have you ever stopped to consider the effect that pop stars, (musicians in general) have on the world at large? You can't really make blanket statements about "value", without first defining what "value" even means...
Musicians provide us with music (obviously), which has numerous documented positive effects on human psychology and general well being. Music makes people feel good after a terrible day at school or work, music makes people feel alive when they have a social life that makes life seem empty. It inspires, it moves, it consoles. Yes, other professions offer humanity great achievements as well, but you can't simply undermine the massive effect that simply feeling good has on the world at large. What do you think those scientist do when they're tired of crunching numbers and finding hidden truths? What do you think helps them to unwind, so that they can continue their work refreshed?
Yes, science can cure cancer, but it can't get you through a tough divorce. Hell, it can even cure depression, but it can't inspire you to truly LIVE. Music has a major effect on the energy of humanity, so how can you put any value on that?
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'Without music, life would be a mistake.' - Nietzsche
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Originally posted by inspiration4
This thread has been going on for pages, so someone probably mentioned it, but have you ever stopped to consider the effect that pop stars (musicians in general), have on the world at large? You can't really make blanket statements about "value", without first defining what "value" even means...
Musicians provide us with music (obviously), which has numerous documented positive effects on human psychology and general well being. Music makes people feel good after a terrible day at school or work, music makes people feel alive when they have a social life that makes life seem empty. It inspires, it moves, it consoles. Yes, other professions offer humanity great achievements as well, but you can't simply undermine the massive effect that simply feeling good has on the world at large. What do you think those scientist do when they're tired of crunching numbers and finding hidden truths? What do you think helps them to unwind, so that they can continue their work refreshed? What relaxes them when they're having a drink with friends?
Yes, science can cure cancer, but it can't get you through a tough divorce. Hell, it can even cure depression, but it can't inspire you to truly LIVE. Music has a major effect on the energy of humanity, so how can you put any value on that?
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How did someone manage to conclude that I am anti-music?
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Member Since: 10/9/2011
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You're right. No one needs that much money. That's just how it is though.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Mariah4life
None of you are wrong...
Each of you just look at it from a different perspective
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That's how I feel at this point. We all see things very differently here.
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You bitchest are so dense.
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I understand that, and see where you're coming from with that.
This is what I'm saying. A celebs career is valuable for entertainment, I can't argue with that. But why is it that many seem to worship celebrities more than other careers? Or even in the entertainment sect, there seems to be a higher value for people who don't seem to elevate society, or peoples minds and actions. I get it that we like to be entertained. But how many cringeworthy reality shows do we need on TV? How many short lived celebrities do we have to have shoved down our throats? Its one thing, to be a celebrity, but its another to flaunt your wealth without doing anything valuable.
Like it sometimes pains me to think that a teacher who inspires the minds of many, won't get the appreciation or fraction of the wealth that someone like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian gets.
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I think you overestimate how influential people like Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashion are. Sure, they probably have a few stans each, but the majority of the population laughs at them, not with them. However, making people laugh at your expense is also a form of entertainment hence the large earnings which come with the good ratings their tv shows get. I, like the majority of the population I hope, have far far more esteem for any doctor or any teacher than I do for Kim Kardashian. However, I would not go watch a doctor operate a patient where as sometimes I will watch an episode of the Kardashians for fun and entertainment to empty my brain after a day's work and that's how they get the money.
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Member Since: 11/11/2010
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I'm shock at how far y'all heads are up these celebs asses. No wonder why this generation is a mess.
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If anyone is overpaid, it's professional athletes.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
Entertainment is fine. I love it too. That's not the point. The point is that the entertainers are grossly overpaid.
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You've answered your own question, sis.
You and MILLIONS of other people love entertainment. That's why it appears that entertainers are ~overpaid. When it's really all just circumstantial. Meaning that millions of people just happen to like the same album or movie.
Until the scientist has something to sell, he can't really expect money from the public. But once he discovers something millions will buy in a pharmacy at $5 per box, he'll be receiving his rightful millions plus the perks and respect pop stars don't typically get.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Honestly, the entire premise of this question is just so bizarre to me...
I find it unfathomable that people can sit here and list off professions that they deem superior than entertainment, while failing to realize the irony that a world void of entertainment would be a world no person would want to live in.
Perfect health and no crime, but [nI]o music, no art, no passion[/I]?
Exactly.
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Music is wonderful. Entertainment is great. We all need it.
It's about the priorities.
Think about your day. Can you go a day without listening to music? can you go a day without seeing your fave celeb on TV?
Now, can you go a day without fresh water? without food? Much harder, right? A mix of many different professions made it possible to have these things. Yet, we know the name of our favorite celeb, but we don't know the name of the person that invented penicillin and saved billions of lives (I'm sure some of you know his name, but I'm speaking about the society in general).
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
But why is it that many seem to worship celebrities more than other careers?
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The sheer fact that they work in entertainment is the reason why we worship them more than workers in other fields.
People stan because it makes them happy. Entertainment makes them happy. Why should people instead focus on stanning down for doctors and teachers and scientists when it just doesn't make them as happy?
I can't imagine "worshiping" some teacher or some scientist, like what?
That's what I don't understand about this "value" argument. It just doesn't make sense.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by fanoftalent
How did someone manage to conclude that I am anti-music?
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I didn't.
If you read it, you'll see I finished with "How do you put a value on that?"
Therefore, I'm asking, How do you?... You know since you said pop stars, who's job's are to provide music and entertain, are overpaid. You put limitations on their value, and therefore their offering (music) to the world.
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Member Since: 3/4/2009
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Honestly, the entire premise of this question is just so bizarre to me...
I find it unfathomable that people can sit here and list off professions that they deem superior than entertainment, while failing to realize the irony that a world void of entertainment would be a world no person would want to live in.
Perfect health and no crime, but [nI]o music, no art, no passion[/I]?
Exactly.
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The leaps of logic
When did anyone say there should be no art, no music, no passion?
But what art is Paris Hilton providing to us again?
Exactly.
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