| |
Discussion: Pop Stars are WAY overpaid
Member Since: 12/4/2010
Posts: 37,894
|
Quote:
Originally posted by fanoftalent
Why is economics a starting point in your discussion though?
You can turn this discussion into a Capitalism vs. Socialism discussion and keep telling me that from the Capitalistic standpoint my point is invalid, which could be true. But then again I never argued that my point was economically valid. I just identified the flaw in our society. You can justify it with economics all you want  |
Why is economics the starting point of my discussion? Well, hmm, maybe because you're talking about salaries?
Economically, popstars make what they deserve. So how do you propose we lower the amount they make then?
Lord 
Quote:
Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I know they are not poor. But our society seems to have a higher value for celebrities than other meaningful professions. That's where I'm getting at.
|
It's far more expensive to pay for an operation than it is to buy a CD, which seems very fair. Millions of people buy one popstar's CD, while just a few in comparison pay for an operation performed by any given doctor. Therefore, although the doctor's service is more expensive than the popstar's product, the popstar is obviously going to make much more. Again, also very fair.
Like, there's no way around this. 
|
|
|
|
ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
Posts: 53,769
|
If you're arguing that it's conceptually wrong that society itself deems entertainment so important, I can understand that. It's a subjective opinion but it's a valid one.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/2/2012
Posts: 15,418
|
Quote:
Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I know they are not poor. But our society seems to have a higher value for celebrities than other meaningful professions. That's where I'm getting at.
|
It only seems that way because they have the attention of millions of people, but again, it's insignificant levels of importance from extremely large numbers of people as opposed to extreme importance to people on a localized and more individual basis.
Just to put this in perspective, I don't think there is a person in their right mind that would say a group of pop stars mattered more than their local police force or a sports team is more important than the doctors and nurses pulling 36 hour shifts at the local hospital.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
|
9 to 5 just to stay alive, how come?
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 5/18/2012
Posts: 20,576
|
Quote:
Originally posted by phreshprince
No? When they bubble in the field for race - they have white, black, Indian, Mexican and other. They would circle other or Indian
|
Um, no. Indian is for people who come from India. Knowing your geography will tell you India is no where near Armenia.
Quote:
Originally posted by Яeo.
Because celebrities bring you joy. When you go out and watch movies with friends and have a good time, you watch them act. When you are in a club celebrating your birthday or just ordinary going out, their music plays in the background. Their craft accompanies you along your life and you will remember them at the end of the day, the month and the year. I'd rather have that than people being addicted to tragedy and dramas. But ofcourse, if a doctor saves your life one day, you will owe him forever and appreciate him more than any celebrity alive. Life doesn't work in black or white.
|
I know that. All these professions have a tremendous value on everyones lives.But why are celebrities more valuable than teachers?
Quote:
Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou
So which objective critera do you use to determine how meaningful a profession is ?
|
I'm not using a objective criteria. I'm using common sense. I know a neurosurgeon has a more meaningful career than a reality television star.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/4/2009
Posts: 5,549
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Doc
Why is economics the starting point of my discussion? Well, hmm, maybe because you're talking about salaries?
Lord |
It's a conceptual statement. You want to rationalize it and give us the economic underpinnings to invalidate my statement. And it's fine. But it's just one of the dimensions of the discussion. You made your points clear in that dimension and you had good points. There are many other dimensions to this discussion though.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/30/2012
Posts: 5,537
|
Quote:
Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
I'm not using a objective criteria. I'm using common sense. I know a neurosurgeon has a more meaningful career than a reality television star.
|
Ok, but that's the exception. Between the teacher, the doctor, the policeman, the fireman, the nurse etc. Who's career is more meaningful ? How do you judge ?
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/31/2012
Posts: 23,576
|
Maybe talk about your fave. Shakira deserves every penny she gets, she's a Goddess
of Love, our Lord and Saviour. Sometimes I feel like she doesn't get paid enough.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 12/4/2010
Posts: 37,894
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Retro
If you're arguing that it's conceptually wrong that society itself deems entertainment so important, I can understand that. It's a subjective opinion but it's a valid one.
|
Even this, I don't understand.
Are we not supposed to put value in entertainment? I spend a lot of my time listening to music and following pop culture because it interests me and makes me happy. Should I, and society, instead throw out our CDs and magazines, disregard all things entertainment, and spend all of our time reading medical journals and solemnly waiting for AIDS and cancer cures?
Quote:
Originally posted by fanoftalent
It's a conceptual statement. You want to rationalize it and give us the economic underpinnings to invalidate my statement. And it's fine. But it's just one of the dimensions of the discussion. You made your points clear in that dimension and you had good points. There are many other dimensions to this discussion though.
|
See above.
And also, with the question you're asking, you CAN'T disregard economics. Instead ask whether or not society values popstars too much over doctors, teachers, and scientists or something along those lines. But if you're gonna ask about their salaries, then there's no way to approach it without discussing economics.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 2/17/2010
Posts: 21,811
|
Lets say you decided to start a business. And in this business you are going to sell a product - a Lemonade. Now, there's an average price in the economy for the Lemonade and as a start, you should do either average or below average but never higher. Once costumers begin to like your product, you should raise the price by a little bit. Days gone by, and your business started blossoming and you start opening Lemonade shops all over the states with your Lemonade price being above average economic-wise. Now, you are making money of selling those Lemonades, which people decided to buy in a higher price than average because they have decided, by their own tastes, that its better than everyone else on the market.
Why are you selling the Lemonade above average price? Why are you earning more than everyone else? That's what you are basically asking here.
And that's how celebrities "work". They are a product / business investments in their own venue. The more people like your product, the more money you will make. What you do with that money depends on you (you can use it for the better or worse)
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/4/2009
Posts: 5,549
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Shakira Stan
Maybe talk about your fave. Shakira deserves every penny she gets, she's a Goddess
of Love, our Lord and Saviour. Sometimes I feel like she doesn't get paid enough.
|
After this thread, I have some doubts whether such posts are genuine or sarcastic...
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Doc
Like, there's no way around this. |
Basically. It's all a numbers game. If 1 million people find a $1.29 song entertaining and each individual purchases it for ONLY $1.29 the pop star has already made millions. It's not morally flawed because they literally spent $1 each. nn
Now if you could do away with millions of doctors in America and have patients all flock to 5 or 6 doctors like the public does for pop stars, then they'd be making hundreds of millions per year. But practically, that's not possible.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/30/2012
Posts: 5,537
|
Also, people need to realise that the numbers given in the media regarding celebrity earnings and net worths are usually very inflated. Even when Forbes does its list of the highest earners, a celebrity being on there with 50 million dollars does not mean that they have personally earned 50 million dollars in the span of a year, you have to take away the expenses, the taxes etc. And, as the video below will show you, artists pay for everything :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92q9pYnaYo
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/4/2009
Posts: 5,549
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Doc
Even this, I don't understand.
Are we not supposed to put value in entertainment? I spend a lot of my time listening to music and following pop culture because it interests me and makes me happy. Should I, and society, instead throw out our CDs and magazines, disregard all things entertainment, and spend all of our time reading medical journals and solemnly waiting for AIDS and cancer cures?
|
No one's telling you to throw your CDs away. But you can't deny that our society is much too invested in the celebrity culture.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 11,474
|
Quote:
Originally posted by phreshprince
No? When they bubble in the field for race - they have white, black, Indian, Mexican and other. They would circle other or Indian
|
Sis i don't know what kind of armenians did you meet, but i would (like 99% of others) circle white 
I mean, does she look indian to you?
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 12/4/2010
Posts: 37,894
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine.
Basically. It's all a numbers game. If 1 million people find a $1.29 song entertaining and each individual purchases it for ONLY $1.29 the pop star has already made millions. It's not morally flawed because they literally spent $1 each. nn
Now if you could do away with millions of doctors in America and have patients all flock to 5 or 6 doctors like the public does for pop stars, then they'd be making hundreds of millions per year. But practically, that's not possible.
|
!!!!!
If we had the same amount of doctors as we do rich popstars, those doctors would make FAR more than any popstar currently does and this thread would be completely invalid.
Quote:
Originally posted by fanoftalent
No one's telling you to throw your CDs away. But you can't deny that our society is much too invested in the celebrity culture.
|
Again, what is your proposed solution? What should society be doing differently?
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 10/10/2009
Posts: 10,662
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Doc
Even this, I don't understand.
Are we not supposed to put value in entertainment? I spend a lot of my time listening to music and following pop culture because it interests me and makes me happy. Should I, and society, instead throw out our CDs and magazines, disregard all things entertainment, and spend all of our time reading medical journals and solemnly waiting for AIDS and cancer cures?
. |
My thoughts exactly.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 3/4/2009
Posts: 5,549
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Doc
Again, what is your proposed solution? What should society be doing differently?
|
Why is everyone always expecting a solution? Girl, I don't have the solutions. I just presented a problem - some food for thought. There was an interesting discussion. Some people agree and some people disagree - on a conceptual level. That's it. No magic pill.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 4/3/2011
Posts: 7,281
|
The highest paid Ponstar earned almost 30 millions dollars.
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Doc
!!!!!
If we had the same amount of doctors as we do rich popstars, those doctors would make FAR more than any popstar currently does and this thread would be completely invalid.
|
Right. Trying to compare the two as they are today is like comparing apples to oranges.
|
|
|
|
|
|
