[Shame♥]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

The idea of X-Factor or Idol having a Janet week ...

I thought she declined and Brit was ahead of her.

[the floacist]

Originally posted by FreeXone

What tribute did Mariah get?

Janet got MTV ICON award in 2001 with ALL YOUR FAVES praising her. Sit down.

And where are you getting these facts that International people don't know Janet? Did you travel to japan, australia, and europe and ask these people yourself? Where are the receipts other than you pulling stuff out of thin air.

You don't sell hundreds of million of records, and sell out WORLD tours with people not knowing you.

I can't think of a single Mariah tribute WTF were they talking about.

[FreeXone]

Originally posted by Cap10Planet

You keep saying "to me." At the end of the day, Whitney was always above Janet to the public and industry.

Sure Janet had her moment where she eclipsed Whitney, but she never had a level of dominance that Whitney had during The Bodyguard era. Didn't The Bodyguard movie and soundtrack basically overshadow the janet. and Poetic Justice eras?

And I'm not trying to take anything away from Janet. Eli and others would vouch for me and say that I LOVE Janet and have defended her a lot on this board.

Outside of her voice, Whitney's impact was not that strong to me. And I will keep that opinion. Just simply standing and singing does not cut it to be a pop star now a days. Especially a black one. Janet did and does, what all the girl HAVE to do now to make it.

You have to slay the music video
You have to slay the stage
You have to sell sex
You have to change your image consistently

If Whitney's rubric was more prevelant, powerhouses like Jennifer Hudson would be the bigger stars than girls like Beyonce and Rihanna. You gotta do more than just sing, and that's in part due to Janet.

[Playboy]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

I've been saying this for years.

You see how I Wanna Dance with Somebody, How Will I Know and Greatest Love of All sHOT back up in every European iTunes chart after Whitney's passing?

Yeah.

That's not happening for Janet when she goes.

Its not happening while she is alive either sis. She is DONE!!! Her and those tired ass 1986 dance moves that she can barely hobble and do. Janet better march across that stage and give PRAISE to Michael if it wasn't for him, she'd be a FLOP nobody just like Rebbie and Tito.

Get your life at Whitney breaking records in LIFE and in DEATH!!! When is Janet gonna do it? Don't worry, I will wait just like Janet is waiting to be relevant again.

[Ace Reject]

Wait a minute Eli.

Should we close this? Because we all know where this thread is headed.

[ManDown]

Mya.

[GeezusHaberdash]

Originally posted by Lately 1814

It's noted that way because Janet's influence is ALWAYS downplayed in favor of more overrated artists like MJ and Madonna (the shade is, Janet has influenced them both ). Like I said, when you assess them both, Beyonce has been more influenced by Janet than MJ regardless of what anyone says.

Janet has eclipsed Diana and Whitney because we use for more factors of being a pop star than hte ther two.

Alright. I can understand that.
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but that doesn't make her name bigger, just her influence. the two don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. Like I already explained previously, with Donna having greater influence over pop stars but not necessarily being the bigger name (than Diana).

[fortheloveofmusic]

Originally posted by Playboy

Its not happening while she is alive either sis. She is DONE!!! Her and those tired ass 1986 dance moves that she can barely hobble and do. Janet better march across that stage and give PRAISE to Michael if it wasn't for him, she'd be a FLOP nobody just like Rebbie and Tito.

Get your life at Whitney breaking records in LIFE and in DEATH!!! When is Janet gonna do it? Don't worry, I will wait just like Janet is waiting to be relevant again.

WOW yall are going in on her lmao If it wasn't for JOE JACKSON all of the jacksons would be flops.

LET'S GIVE IT UP FOR THE TRUE CHAMPION JOE JACKSON!!! He got Michael and Janet their solo deals.

[Bandrew]

Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM

Beyoncé - her personal and professional life is flawfree. No one can touch her. She will be remembered as the ultimate black female popstar...and one of the best black artists of all time.

exactly!!! perfectly said.

[eli's_rhythm]

Originally posted by satellites™

Which makes it even more sad that Whitney is the more memorable one. Janet does not have a song as BIG and memorable as IWALY and its too late for her to have one now. She never had "that song" that took over the planet in impact and is undeniably iconic to EVERYONE and not just certain groups. The closest she came was Rhythm Nation and half of ATRL doesnt even know that, which proves my point.

In the 80's and 90s Janet had a chance to sell MAJOR albums like everyone else, she did not. Whitney has THREE best selling albums of all time, Madonna has THREE, Celine has FOUR, Mariah, Michael, EVERYONE but Janet, does it get any clearer? Beyonce is one of the best selling artists of (her time) and by a huge margin too, she is ahead of every other black female artist just like Whitney was in every area.

At least Janet's biggest songs are her songs.

Janet only released two studio albums in the '90s. Dumb. She was still the second-biggest US act of the '90s with only two albums. She broke the record for biggest first week for a female, she had a record-setting recording contract and she had the biggest Hot 100 hit of any Jackson ever. To deny her power in the '90s is foolish.

[shenzi]

Originally posted by i spit on haters

She's a Icon. She's not a legend and never will be. So many of you throw that word around too loosely.

You are so fazed by her. I honestly don't know why...


Well it's clear all these ladies have made some sort of impact, but I don't think people realize how relatively young the music industry is. Generations come and go, and so do the popstars. I wouldn't be surprised if Whitney isn't held in high regard 50-60 years from now. There's always someone around the corner who is going to do things bigger and better than the ones before ever did.

[satellites.™]

Originally posted by FreeXone

The bigger shade is IWALY is someone else's song. While Janet's just as well known songs like Rhythm Nation, That's The Way Love Goes, and Escapade are all owned and written by Janet.

Janet will laugh all the way to the bank in the end.

Beyonce said it best,

"DIVA'S GETTING MONEY, IF YOU AIN'T GETTING MONEY THAN YOU AIN'T DOING NOTHING FOR ME"

RIP Whitney though.

Yes, Janet can have her money, Im proud of any black artist that can get theirs.

But like we said, Janets influence and impact didnt reach far enough, she got cut off at the water.

Beyonce, Whitney, Rihanna, and Diana are all famous overseas and very much so.

I mean!

UKs Top Selling Female Albums

6. Leona Lewis - Spirit - 3,050,000
11. Whitney Houston - Whitney - 2,240,000
13. Tina Turner - Simply The Best - 2,130,000
26. Rihanna - Good Girl Gone Bad - 1,740,000
29. Whitney Houston - Greatest Hits - 1,660,000
30. Rihanna - Loud - 1,652,000
35. Mariah Carey - Music Box - 1,505,000
37. Beyonce - I Am Sasha Fierce - 1,395,000
38. Tina Turner - Foreign Affair - 1,380,000
41. Sade - Diamond Life - 1,350,000
51. Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston - 1,255,000
53. Tina Turner - Private Dancer - 1,240,000
61. Diana Ross - One Woman - Ultimate Collection - 1,170,000
65. Beyonce - Dangerously In Love - 1,135,000
66. Alicia Keys - Songs In A Minor - 1,120,000
78. Lauryn Hill - Miseducation Of - 1,000,000

[K@rm@]

Diana was the first big female pop star but Whitney took it to another level in the 80s and 90s. She made big voiced Divas the cool thing and paved the way for Mariah, Celine, Toni, En Vogue etc. to have success after her.

She is the standard for anyone female singer around the world. from Europe, to Asia, to Latin American if you want to sing you listen to Whitney. She might not have had much success in the last 10 years but her legacy lived on every season on American Idol, X-factor, the voice there is always a couple fools who try and sing her songs and they always get criticized for not being able to do them justice.

She has the album sales, #1s, Hit Movies and Soundtracks,successful producer, a ton of awards.


If beyonce can continue to have success she might take over Whitney but i vote for Whitney. Love Janet and she is one of my faves but Whitney was always more successful.

[Callisto.]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

The idea of X-Factor or Idol having a Janet week ...

I kinda find it sad that Rihanna will have a week before her.

[eli's_rhythm]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

Wait a minute Eli.

Should we close this? Because we all know where this thread is headed.

I need a few more minutes. It's civil as long as I make it civil.

[BrownBear15]

Also, Rihanna is arguably the biggest black sex symbol of all time, so that should help her out.

[Cap10Planet]

Originally posted by FreeXone

Outside of her voice, Whitney's impact was not that strong to me. And I will keep that opinion. Just simply standing and singing does not cut it to be a pop star now a days. Especially a black one. Janet did and does, what all the girl HAVE to do now to make it.

And that's perfectly fine, but there is a reason that when these all-time lists come on TV or are published on some website, Whitney is always above Janet, or Whitney makes the list and Janet doesn't. This was even the case before Whitney's death.

[i spit on haters]

Originally posted by satellites™

Sweetie you can throw your hate out the window. Crazy in Love is a pop STANDARD and always will be, the fact that it is THE MOST CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED pop song by a female artist OF ALL TIME speaks volumes. It has already placed on ALL TIME lists and it isnt even 10 years old yet, one of the most recognizable songs ever.

Single Ladies. nugh said!

All it takes is one, and she has TWO songs that will NEVER be forgotten!

Not to mention Halo, Irreplaceable and the songs she has yet to make.

Her name makes mountains fall, people rise to their feet, Beyonce the name alone is legendary.

Dont act new.

Every thing you said just basically translated to irrelevant. That doesn't make one a legend. And what "hate"? I said she's a icon, which isn't a bad thing. And as I said earlier, her music, performances, videos, etc. won't stand the test of time like a Madonna or Michael Jackson. 'Vogue' alone is more iconic than her entire discography.

[satellites.™]

Originally posted by stevensaurusrex

I have to go with Whitney. Miss Jackson and Miss Knowles still aren't known much in many parts of the world.

Beyonce is known and reference in every country around the globe, she is the standard for a female singer.

Nothing new here.

[B2R4D]

Um. Why isn't Ciara on this poll?