[KeirGrey]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

Mostly Black/Latino/urban Americans.

I'm one of them so it's not shade!!

I know your not the type to shade

[_roc la familia .]

Originally posted by FreeXone

I mean these are the same children who think ... Beyonce ... more talented and better than people like Madonna, Prince, and Michael Jackson. Their opinions are void and invalid.

WELP! That's my cue. **leaves with my void and invalid opinion**

[FreeXone]

Originally posted by MonsterRoco

The people saying she is a legend i assume are all American?

No they were just around or are knowledgeable on the force Janet was.

As I said, Janet has not toured in europe since 1998. 1998!!! How old were most of you in 1998? 4? 5? 6? So of course most of these forumers posting from outside the states would not know much about her other than just who she is.

And the world is bigger than just europe and America. Up until her album in 2008 she was still hitting top 10 and number 1 hits in Latin America, Asia and Australia. Is that not still global? You girls kill me, with this egocentric thought that if an artist does not make it huge in your country they are a flop. There is a whole world out there.

And all in all the shade is, even without you knowing much about her, you still know her. THAT'S LEGEND AND ICON STATUS. You know her just because of who she is even though you grew up in a time after her prime.

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

Falling Into You won the Grammy for Album of the Year, right? With the MEGA HITS It's All Coming Back to Me Now and Because You Love Me attached?

Don't assume. You know what happens when you do!

Thats the only Celine Dion album i can remember off the top off my head without Punching to Wikipedia. Well it and "A new Day Has Come" but who remembers that album anyways.

[Ace Reject]

Originally posted by Deemy

Whitney is the legend out of the 3.

Janet and Cher are just high-tier ICONS. They can be argued as Legends.. but in reality they are not.

Delusion doesn't suit you. Channel it into promoting Sparkle, which is released this year and will need all the help it can get to get theatrically released.

[The Knowledge]

She was also relatively creatively stagnant post Velvet Rope. All For You cemented her iconic status but is mostly disposable (minus the singles) pop-fluff. And that's over 10 years ago.

[joelovesmusic]

Janet is one of MY legends, she truly made a name for herself in the business and she has some AMAZING hits that will be remembered. And the best thing is she's still going strong, and has more energy and spirit than most young performers today, have you seen the Number Ones tour? it's off the hook!!

[Ace Reject]

Originally posted by _roc la familia .

WELP! That's my cue. **leaves with my void and invalid opinion**

But she IS more talented than two of them? I mean, I thought people got that?

Not as legendary but ... let's not start this. Let me follow your lead Roc.

[shenzi]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

Falling Into You won the Grammy for Album of the Year, right? With the MEGA HITS It's All Coming Back to Me Now and Because You Love Me attached?

Don't assume. You know what happens when you do!

I had to exaggerate. I was just trying to make a point that people on this site overestimate record sales.

[KeirGrey]

Originally posted by FreeXone

No they were just around or are knowledgeable on the force Janet was.

As I said, Janet has not toured in europe since 1998. 1998!!! How old were most of you in 1998? 4? 5? 6? So of course most of these forumers posting from outside the states would not know much about her other than just who she is.

And the world is bigger than just europe and America. Up until her album in 2008 she was still hitting top 10 and number 1 hits in Latin America, Asia and Australia. Is that not still global? You girls kill me, with this egocentric thought that if an artist does not make it huge in your country they are a flop. There is a whole world out there.

And all in all the shade is, even without you knowing much about her, you still know her. THAT'S LEGEND AND ICON STATUS. You know her just because of who she is even though you grew up in a time after her prime.

Sis, she hasn't been mentioned in my lifetime as anything but MJ sister

[Nicole]

Janet approached sex like Britney: for the satisfaction of men.

Madonna's approach was for the control of men. The satisfaction was hers, not theirs.

That's a major reason why Madonna is a legend and why she empowers women.

[The Knowledge]

Janet is the most original pop star of any race of all-time.

[fortheloveofmusic]

Janet’s biggest selling single worldwide is “Together Again”; in 1998 it was the 4th biggest selling single of the year in Europe (2nd biggest for a female, only outsold by Celine Dion’s “My Heart Will Go On”). Worldwide sales according to Virgin Records are over 6 million copies, one of the largest selling singles ever from a female artist. “Together Again” spent nearly 50 weeks in the Top 50 of the Billboard Hot 100

It also remains one of the longest charting hits in Billboard history. “Together Again” sold over 760,000 in the UK making it one of the biggest selling singles ever in the UK from a female artist, “Together Again” sold over 600,000 copies in Germany also earned a Platinum certification just 2 months after it was released. “Together Again”, also went Platinum in the Netherlands, France, Belgium, South Africa, Italy, and even went Double Platinum in New Zealand.

well that's something.

[Rentboy]

I will argue that Cher is a legend to the death. She is a survivor and succesful over decades and in both music and film. She's earned her legendary status the hard way.

[Ace Reject]

Originally posted by DrunkNHotBoyz

Ace, sweetie pie. What's your definition of a LEGEND?

And I'm only asking Ace...so everybody else just... shut up.

Someone who's changed music for MORE than just Black Americans, Filipinos and Aborigines.

That was the shady answer. But someone who never gets put in second place. Janet was, in many territories, in someone's shadow.

[Nicole]

Originally posted by Rentboy

I will argue that Cher is a legend to the death. She is a survivor and succesful over decades and in both music and film. She's earned her legendary status the hard way.

Just when you thought the singer who flashed her ass is dead, she comes back as...an Oscar-winning, critically-acclaimed actress and box office superstar.

[Deemy]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

Which is why Mariah gets all the credit for that now and will be inducted first.

Mimi also is credited for combining a big voice with a pen, something that directly inspired Bey, Christina and Kelly - and something that Whitney and Celine will never have to concern themselves with.

Where's Mariah's Grammys?
Mariah is a hit maker with a great voice. Whiney is a much better singer than Mariah. Not to mention.. her discography is overall stronger when you take into account their number of albums.

[FreeXone]

Originally posted by Kats

In a way it does, because sales represent impact to an extent and there sales WW >>>>>>>> than Janet's. It's not that hard to see. But your a stan, so your probably won't see it. She's an icon, for sure, but she isn't a legend.

A legend is bigger than sales, and don't act like she hasn't sold. 65 million albums or 140 million records sold isn't just your run of the mill artist. She is still considered one of the highest selling artist of all time and has records that still haven't been beat. That's Legendary status. Just because she wasn't of big significance to your life, doesn't mean her success should be undermined.

[Shame♥]

Originally posted by Twenty Foreplay

She was also relatively creatively stagnant post Velvet Rope. All For You cemented her iconic status but is mostly disposable (minus the singles) pop-fluff. And that's over 10 years ago.

I didn't expect you the most sane one.

[FreeXone]

Originally posted by MonsterRoco

Sis, she hasn't been mentioned in my lifetime as anything but MJ sister

And that just exhibits your massive amount of ignorance on her OUTSTANDING career outside of being Michael's sister.