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News: Santorum Makes Another Dumb Comment
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Originally posted by Doc
Well now he sounds stupid. Auto-mechanics are included 'career training', 'vocational training', and 'apprenticeships'.  |
Oh yay, seeing that whole quote means I'm totally on Obama's side. We really need to encourage high schoolers to consider those things as well, there's a lot of well-paying career opportunities people just don't know about because we're so focused on "Go to college, even if you hate it and can't think of anything to major in!"
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Well now he sounds stupid. Auto-mechanics are included 'career training', 'vocational training', and 'apprenticeships'. |
That's why I found the quote so amusing; Obama doesn't discourage other forms of higher education (community college, vocational schools, etc.)
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I'm just voting for Obama tbh.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Fair enough, I just wanted to play Devil's Advocate a bit, because I know there's people out there who think like Gradua10n. A college degree is not an instant ability to be employed, and we NEED people to do jobs that don't require a college degree. I am NOT here for the demeaning of blue collar workers?
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Right? Better to enter a skills-based industry and earn a good living then get a college degree in something you don't really care about or that won't get you a good job and spend the rest of your life in debt doing nothing in particular.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Oh yay, seeing that whole quote means I'm totally on Obama's side. We really need to encourage high schoolers to consider those things as well, there's a lot of well-paying career opportunities people just don't know about because we're so focused on "Go to college, even if you hate it and can't think of anything to major in!"
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I definitely agree with you on this. I think that there's an unnecessary stigma around vocational education.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
To be fair, advocating every kid go to college is stupid. Trade schools should be encouraged more.
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trade schools are essentially colleges. his argument was that people should aim for higher education. 
of course the republicans have to turn it into a negative thing.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
What the ****? What kind of ignorant mess?
A car mechanic starts at about $28,000 entry level plus commissions and overtime and come progress up to $50,000 and much more if they begin their own practice. That's much better than a job you can get with MANY college degrees, and it's a necessary profession. How can you say people working as car mechanics are just "mooching off daddy's momey" when they're being PAYED A SALARY, as opposed to having PAY TUITION?
Why would someone who wanted to be an auto technician WASTE their parents money on a college education when they could just attend a trade school and get a respectable, well-paying job with a LOT of career opportunities, and a decent demand WHEREVER they decide to move?
Seriously, what an ignorant thing to say. As if going to college is the only measure of intelligence, or as if "academic" intelligence is the only kind that matters. Disgusting.
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I understand there is a difference between street smarts and book smarts, but still, you're ignorant if you think receiving a college education isn't what's best for people. And even an auto-mechanic will need some training. I'm sorry if I didn't articulate better, but even if it's not a college, you need some type of training. And I was strictly referring to Santorum and him being OK with his kid working a low-end job because he'd be able to support him/her financially.
Get off your high horse and just get high, sis.
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Originally posted by GRADUAT10N
I understand there is a difference between street smarts and book smarts, but still, you're ignorant if you think receiving a college education isn't what's best for people. And even an auto-mechanic will need some training. And I was strictly referring to Santorum and him being OK with his kid working a low-end job because he'd be able to support him/her financially.
Get off your high horse and just get high, sis.
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You're ignorant if you think it is. How would getting a college degree benefit someone who would rather attend vocational school and get a job? Some people don't HAVE the money for 4 years of college, some people would NOT be benefited by a bachelor's degree. You haven't offered any PRACTICAL reason why attending college is "what's best for everyone," you just say it is.
A mechanic is NOT a low-paying job. It pays a pretty damn decent salary, with a lot of mobility. You're acting as though people with college degrees never work low paying jobs. You're in for a rude awakening, buddy.
Not to mention that many people who work as mechanics don't HAVE dads wealthy enough to mooch off of. What a horrible, ignorant thing to say. My apartment-mate at one of the top-ranked Universities in the country uses all his rich parent's money to buy drugs, but since he's in college, he's obviously using his life better than a man actually working for a salary.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Will
With a better educated society, less people would vote for candidates like Santorum.
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exactly  And the fact that he said this while IN a college is just......
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
You're ignorant if you think it is. How would getting a college degree benefit someone who would rather attend vocational school and get a job? Some people don't HAVE the money for 4 years of college, some people would NOT be benefited by a bachelor's degree. You haven't offered any PRACTICAL reason why attending college is "what's best for everyone," you just say it is.
A mechanic is NOT a low-paying job. It pays a pretty damn decent salary, with a lot of mobility. You're acting as though people with college degrees never work low paying jobs. You're in for a rude awakening, buddy.
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You're ignorant if you think it is. How would getting a college degree benefit someone who would rather attend vocational school and get a job?
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There are other options besides college, but how many people know by the time they are 18 what they want to do? Not many. Going to college allows people the freedom to find something they are really interested in. If you know you want to be a hairdresser, auto-mechanic, real estate salesman, truck driver, then by all means, forgo college.
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Some people don't HAVE the money for 4 years of college, some people would NOT be benefited by a bachelor's degree. You haven't offered any PRACTICAL reason why attending college is "what's best for everyone," you just say it is.
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I agree the price of college is too damn expensive, especially out-of-state tuitions. They need to be lowered. And I just offered a practical reason for why college is best for a lot of people, so there.
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A mechanic is NOT a low-paying job. It pays a pretty damn decent salary, with a lot of mobility. You're acting as though people with college degrees never work low paying jobs. You're in for a rude awakening, buddy.
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Compared to other professions, it is. And I am fully aware that having a college degree does not equate being successful. It sure as hell gives you a leg up, though. And I'm a film major, so I'm not expecting a **** ton of money to be flowing in my direction once I graduate. Nice job of assuming otherwise 
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There are other options besides college, but how many people know by the time they are 18 what they want to do? Not many. Going to college allows people the freedom to find something they are really interested in. If you know you want to be a hairdresser, auto-mechanic, real estate salesman, truck driver, then by all means, forgo college.
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Going to college is not always great for that. I went to college undeclared, and it is one of the biggest regrets of my life. I wasted 3 semesters of a full-tuition scholarship hopping around majors I didn't really care about, and now I can't study abroad, and I have to squash all my classes into 5 semesters, because my dad can't AFFORD to send me to school without my scholarship. Getting a job and spending a few years working while I figured out what I wanted to do would have been much better. Why go to college if you don't know you want to be there? It costs a shitload of money.
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Compared to other professions, it is. And I am fully aware that having a college degree does not equate being successful. It sure as hell gives you a leg up, though. And I'm a film major, so I'm not expecting a **** ton of money to be flowing in my direction once I graduate. Nice job of assuming otherwise
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A mechanic will be making more than you. I think we found the real problem here. 
You realize a good chunk of mechanics don't have dads wealthy enough to be "mooching" off of right? I'm sorry, it's just insanely hypocritical for you to be at school studying a major notorious for being a difficult industry to make a decent leaving in, while criticizing someone who's actually getting a paid salary as "unintelligent."
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Going to college is not always great for that. I went to college undeclared, and it is one of the biggest regrets of my life. I wasted 3 semesters of a full-tuition scholarship hopping around majors I didn't really care about, and now I can't study abroad, and I have to squash all my classes into 5 semesters, because my dad can't AFFORD to send me to school without my scholarship. Getting a job and spending a few years working while I figured out what I wanted to do would have been much better. Why go to college if you don't know you want to be there? It costs a shitload of money.
A mechanic will be making more than you. I think we found the real problem here.
You realize a good chunk of mechanics don't have dads wealthy enough to be "mooching" off of right? I'm sorry, it's just insanely hypocritical for you to be at school studying a major notorious for being a difficult industry to make a decent leaving in, while criticizing someone who's actually getting a paid salary as "unintelligent." |
Intelligence and the amount of money one has is not directly proportional, though. And as mentioned earlier, I was only referring to Santorum's case. Of course not all mechanics are trust-fund babies.
And just because you screwed up at college doesn't mean that's the case for everyone.
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Originally posted by GRADUAT10N
Well it seems like you're own failures at college are blinding your views on this topic.
And I don't really care if a mechanic makes more than me. If I wanted money, I'd be in school to become a lawyer or surgeon.
Here's to you finding something you love as much as ATRL!
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Then why are you criticizing mechanics for being a low-paying job?
Your low-paying job is somehow better because you went to college?
Music Industry with a minor in music recording by the way.
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Intelligence and the amount of money one has is not directly proportional, though.
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Exactly. So why bother forcing someone to go to college if it's not really in their best interest? That's a lot of (your parent's) money to spend "figuring out what you want to do" when you could be working. 
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Exactly. So why bother forcing someone to go to college if it's not really in their best interest? That's a lot of (your parent's) money to spend "figuring out what you want to do" when you could be working. |
Well no **** you can't force someone to go to college if they are vehemently opposed to it. But for you to think that the majority of people wouldn't benefit from a college education, or some higher education, is ridiculous. I don't want a bunch of people with HS diplomas only running this country.
And I apologize for taking my anger towards Santorum out on all the fine auto-mechanics in the world.
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Originally posted by GRADUAT10N
Well no **** you can't force someone to go to college if they are vehemently opposed to it. But for you to think that the majority of people wouldn't benefit from a college education, or some higher education, is ridiculous.
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That's the key word there. You're only furthering this stigma that college education is somehow superior to vocational training, apprenticeships, or technical schools.
And you still haven't provided any practical reason that standard college would "benefit" someone. Again, you're studying film. You're going to come out of college and probably make less than a mechanic. In terms of making a living, and supporting yourself, becoming a mechanic is a more "intelligent" decision. Valuing "intelligence" over making practical decisions is part of the reason we have so many unemployed people with bachelors/masters/PhDs right now. Intelligence won't do **** for you if you can't find work and support yourself.
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That's the key word there. You're only furthering this stigma that college education is somehow superior to vocational training, apprenticeships, or technical schools.
And you still haven't provided any practical reason that standard college would "benefit" someone. Again, you're studying film. You're going to come out of college and probably make less than a mechanic. In terms of making a living, and supporting yourself, becoming a mechanic is a more "intelligent" decision. Valuing "intelligence" over making practical decisions is part of the reason we have so many unemployed people with bachelors/masters/PhDs right now. Intelligence won't do **** for you if you can't find work.
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You're the one that said "college education is somehow superior to vocational training...", not me. I don't think that all.
And as for my own personal decisions, as I've mentioned earlier, I'm not doing a film major for the money, that would be really, really dumb. I'm passionate about it and that matters more to me.
So according to you it's not practical for people to want to do something they love, they should always look to settle for something that would make more money.
If you can't see the benefits of receiving an education, I'm sorry for you.
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Originally posted by GRADUAT10N
You're the one that said "college education is somehow superior to vocational training...", not me. I don't think that all.
And as for my own personal decisions, as I've mentioned earlier, I'm not doing a film major for the money, that would be really, really dumb. I'm passionate about it and that matters more to me.
So according to you it's not practical for people to want to do something they love, they should always look to settle for something that would make more money.
If you can't see the benefits of receiving an education, I'm sorry for you.
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Of course not. I'm majoring in music industry. There's nothing wrong with a film major at all, good for you for pursuing your passions.
But to be able to do that is a luxury, and to demean those who don't have that luxury is ridiculous.
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Since when are auto-mechanics smart in other arenas besides cars? It might be a good paying job for a kid that doesn't need a job and will have their daddy pay for everything.
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How can you possibly justify demeaning a mechanic's wages like that? You realize that a lot of people don't HAVE dads who can pay for things like, say, a college education in film or music industry? Where do you get off criticizing someone for having a "low paying job compared to other careers" when you're pursuing one of the most notoriously unemployable college degrees, most likely with your parent's money?
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As far as I know, Obama has advocated making higher education accessible for everyone, which I think is great, considering how expensive tuition has gotten in this day and age. I would theorize that Santorum's comment is another veiled racist comment about keeping poor minorities "where they belong," but his stupidity seems to know no bounds, so perhaps he genuinely does hate education and think it's "snobby." Oh, America, no wonder your place in the world is falling so fast...
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Ugh. politics depress me.
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