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Discussion: Why do people think Britney Spears is the Queen of Pop?
Member Since: 3/9/2011
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I dont give a **** about what anyone says. Britney and Madonna are my Queens  Britney is huge influence on me. Her accomplishments are not going to be ignored, end of story.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by itsJAMESbitch
after Britney came out she influenced more record companies to sign females with little to no talent and manufacture them into "sexy" , pop teeny boppers. I just don't see where her serious influence on the industry is. The bubblegum pop sound had already exploded with the Spice Girls and Backstreet Boys, like someone has already said in this thread. She's not even taken that seriously in the industry.
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I see your pouring hot tea down their dry throats. Throw in some crazy pills while you're at it because some of these posts. I can't even...
The worst part to this all is giving Britney credit. Then her stans will say, 'she is executive producer' or 'she picks the songs she likes.' Ok, and? Pretend all you want that Britney has 'control' over music. Anyone can sit down and say 'I like this one! I like that one too. Oooh can we put that one on there? Yeah, that's hot.' Then Brit stans have the nerve to claim that Gaga is all about image, when Britney is all about image. Her image was key to everything that she is today (an icon).
I will say Britney in her prime was more deserving of credit, but...I still wouldn't say she herself is resonsible for anything. No, the amazing people behind her who pull the strings are.
As for Britney's unique/verstille voice....
Girls................... 
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Member Since: 6/17/2009
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Nobody references Britney as influence it is ALWAYS Madonna, Janet, Michael, Prince, Bobby etc
Janet is arguably the biggest influence on female rnb - Beyonce, Britney, Cassie, Aaliyah, Amerie, Rihanna, Keri Hilson, CIARA, Nicole Scherzinger etc. the list goes on...
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Monroe
I will give you several gifts in this discussion:
1. She has sold 17 million albums (even though totals for The Fame are closer to 14 million, and her remix album has not sold 2 million)
2. She has sold 30 million singles in the U.S. (even though it's closer to 27)
Those numbers combined would give her a total of 47 million records worldwide. Unless you want to argue that she has sold the same amount of singles in the U.S. as she has sold all over the world and dismiss the fact that the U.S. is the biggest musical market in existence than it's obvious she hasn't sold 75 million records. She's likely in the 50 millions at the biggest extreme. Not in the 60's or the 70's.
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What on earth are you on about? Are you really this deluded?
1) I provided an official source for that album sales figure, and the 14m copies for TF does not count the nearly 1.5m copies sold by TFM in the U.S., which would be added on to the 1m copies of the remix album sold. No gift here.
2) Last known U.S. Single sales:
Just Dance - 6,038,000
Poker Face - 6,000,000
LoveGame - 2,337,000
Paparazzi - 2,916,000
Beautiful Dirty Rich - 275,000
Starstruck - 679,000
Boys Boys Boys - 233,000
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Bad Romance - 4,649,000
Telephone - 2,810,000
Alejandro - 2,101,000
Monster - 207,000
Speechless - 197,000
Dance in the Dark - 120,000
So Happy I Could Die - 114,000
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Born This Way - 1,832,000
Total - 30,508,000 (credit to MonstahNL for compiling sources).
Last known means the U.S. total is, in actuality, higher. No gift here, and now you are making up "actual" numbers.
3) You mean to argue that even though her album sold 4m in the U.S. and 14m copies worldwide (ratio of 28.5% domestic / 71.5% international) that the singles would be struggling to come close to her U.S. sales in the entirety of the rest of the world? Yes, the U.S. is the world's biggest market, but this is comparing the U.S. market to every other market in the world combined.
Even being generous with your "50 millions at the extreme" estimation and saying you mean 59 million that would mean she's only sold 12 million singles internationally TOTAL. I can't even with this level of delusion. 
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Member Since: 3/25/2009
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Originally posted by Monroe
The point here is the fact that most of her sales total comes from the U.S. It's highly unlikely that she sold another 30 million in sales outside of the U.S. when it's obviously her biggest sales market.
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All of Gaga's singles that we have official numbers for from the IFPI have sold at least the same internationally as they have in the US so actually 30m single sales outside of the US is quite likely.
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Member Since: 10/24/2010
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Originally posted by Peep
She did. Poker Face hit #1 almost ****ing everywhere. She also has the 2 out of the 3 most digital selling singles, which are Poker Face and Just Dance - around 6-7M each.
I'm not arguing US isn't the biggest market, which it is.  But worldwide also give a lot of sales, to any artist... |
stop. She didn't sell 30m singles outside of the u.s
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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I cant at you guys comparing sales LMAO!!!
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Member Since: 11/24/2009
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Gaga has sold well over 30M singles outside the US. 
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Brit94
I cant at you guys comparing sales LMAO!!!
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Nobody implied that the sales for Gaga at the start of her career are more impressive than what Britney had, but Monroe said I made that figure up when she clearly has no idea what she's talking about.
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Member Since: 11/25/2008
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That's like your 5 shout out to me this week Lil Nicky. Your love for me has really grown. 
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Originally posted by Monroe
Miley, Taylor Swift, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson, Christina Aguilera, Hilary Duff, all owe their careers to Britney.
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Ummm no, X would've came out either way. She got signed in 98 with the deal when she did Reflection before BOMT, and her debut sounds more like a Whitney album than Brit's debut.
Genie brought electro pop to the mainstream, and sounds like nothing from that time.
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90% of what Duca wrote can also go with Xtina, so by that means X's the queen of the world. 
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
Nobody implied that the sales for Gaga at the start of her career are more impressive than what Britney had, but Monroe said I made that figure up when she clearly has no idea what she's talking about.
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Okay good
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Member Since: 4/22/2009
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If y'all are gonna come in here and play the 'talentless' card at least provide receipts. 
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
Nobody implied that the sales for Gaga at the start of her career are more impressive than what Britney had, but Monroe said I made that figure up when she clearly has no idea what she's talking about.
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Maybe not more, but they're just as impressive.
Her awards are way more impressive.
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Member Since: 10/24/2010
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Originally posted by D.M.F
That's like your 5 shout out to me this week Lil Nicky. Your love for me has really grown.
Ummm no, X would've came out either way. She got signed in 98 with the deal when she did Reflection before BOMT, and her debut sounds more like a Whitney album than Brit's debut.
Genie brought electro pop to the mainstream, and sounds like nothing from that time.
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90% of what Duca wrote can also go with Xtina, so by that means X's the queen of the world. |
I love Xtina and tbh i think britney and xtina couldnt possibly be anymore different career and sound wise and i dont even know why comparisons are being made
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Member Since: 7/12/2009
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Originally posted by Monroe
That's wrong information, as per usual from you. She didn't have time to stop. She was late. Unfortunately she didn't have time to sign autographs, and do the red carpet line but that's what happens. As to her not singing live, Britney lip syncs your not going to the tour for that. Your going to the tour for a Vegas like spectacle. Everyone knows that.
I cannot. She obviously did not sell 30 million singles outside of the U.S. sales market. That's just ridiculous, especially considering that all the sales market are smaller than the U.S. sales market.
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Are you trying to say that the US is over 50% of the music industry's sales? It's not.
Take a look.
 Yes - it is the biggest but that does not mean you can just deny anything outside from it because it's less...
She has been very successful in Japan for example (all TFM tracks in top10 on album release date).
And this.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by D.M.F
That's like your 5 shout out to me this week Lil Nicky. Your love for me has really grown.
Ummm no, X would've came out either way. She got signed in 98 with the deal when she did Reflection before BOMT, and her debut sounds more like a Whitney album than Brit's debut.
Genie brought electro pop to the mainstream, and sounds like nothing from that time.
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90% of what Duca wrote can also go with Xtina, so by that means X's the queen of the world. |
You know things have gone awry when D.M.F. makes one of the less delusional posts in the thread.
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Member Since: 3/30/2009
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Originally posted by Kerihill
Janet Jackson would be the next in line after Madonna as the Queen of pop. Gaga thereafter.
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Janet was the Princess of Pop. Then Britney came and Janet never came back.
Madonna will forever be the Queen of Pop and Britney the Princess of Pop. No other female even comes close.
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Member Since: 10/6/2010
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
I see your pouring hot tea down their dry throats. Throw in some crazy pills while you're at it because some of these posts. I can't even...
The worst part to this all is giving Britney credit. Then her stans will say, 'she is executive producer' or 'she picks the songs she likes.' Ok, and? Pretend all you want that Britney has 'control' over music. Anyone can sit down and say 'I like this one! I like that one too. Oooh can we put that one on there? Yeah, that's hot.' Then Brit stans have the nerve to claim that Gaga is all about image, when Britney is all about image. Her image was key to everything that she is today (an icon).
I will say Britney in her prime was more deserving of credit, but...I still wouldn't say she herself is resonsible for anything. No, the amazing people behind her who pull the strings are.
As for Britney's unique/verstille voice....
Girls................... |
Pouring the true tea, as usual.
like i said, she influenced teeny bopper pop singers with little to no talent. sure it's influence but it's nothing to be proud of and i give credit to the people behind the scenes moreso than her.
also where is the impact after the few years she was at her peak? (her debut and a few years after)
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Member Since: 3/9/2011
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The Grammys are irrelavent, so please dont bring that joke up. They dont even rewared the artist who do have talent anyways. Its the same artist lmao!
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Member Since: 10/24/2010
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Originally posted by Peep
Are you trying to say that the US is over 50% of the music industry's sales? It's not.
Take a look.
Yes - it is the biggest but that does not mean you can just deny anything outside from it because it's less...
She has been very successful in Japan for example (all TFM tracks in top10 on album release date).
And this. |
You do know Japan is a huge market but foreign acts make up a way smaller percentage.
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