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Discussion: Ed used a writing camp
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Originally posted by A Little Unruly
He's not hating, like, at all, you're just one of the very, very delusional ones.
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I honestly don't get the dramatics over artists having writing camps.
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Not sure whether conscious or not but some of you really play dense in order to support your biases. As a huge Beyonce fans lets clarify a few things.
Eds career stems from his own writing ability, thats how he was picked up by Jamie Fox. His debut album "+" has him as the sole writer on half the tracks and cowriter with gosling on the other half. "X" sees him as the sole writer on some tracks and collabing with one additional writer on most others, normally gosling or Pharrel. He is also responsible for writing Love Yourself for Justin Bieber. His writing credentials are not born out of him being a white male with a guitar, he is an actual singer song writer
Beyonce however is known to take credits for changing a word and adding some vibrato and harmonies. She hasnt written a song solo for like 18 years. Her and Ed are not equals where evidence of their song writing is concerned
Sexism in music is real but trying to use Ed vs Bey/Rih is a terrible example. Rihanna made no attempts prior to ANTi to position herself as a songwriter and we know she wasnt.
Frank and Solange have no issue with their writing creditials, its not an issue of race either.
Where writing camps are concerned lets also acknowledge that Lemonade and Beyonce are not equal. Selftitled actually saw her collaborate in writing, and we've seen the creation of songs from scratch with Beyonce at the forefront, for example "Partition". We also know that her and Boots cowrote together. If you actually listen to ingrid, james blake, diana, Mnek etc, almost every account from the writing of Lemonade paints a picture of her picking pieces of work from writers who sees sent briefs to and stiching it together like an editor. Probably why we have the recording process for DIL, Bday, 4 a ST but not IASF or Lemonade. I think the later 2 used writing camps in the negative connotation but with Bey at least directing the writers on Lem.
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he may have contributed more than beyonce, but please don't pretend this isn't a writing camp 
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Originally posted by Superpower
Ed and Bey did the same thing. The only difference is Ed used his own house. Bey rented one.
Bey was there and she's credited. Bey has also been a songwriter since her DC days. Whether you believe it or not, you can't change facts to suit your own agenda
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They are so stupid still arguing without facts
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Originally posted by Otter
Not sure whether conscious or not but some of you really play dense in order to support your biases. As a huge Beyonce fans lets clarify a few things.
Eds career stems from his own writing ability, thats how he was picked up by Jamie Fox. His debut album "+" has him as the sole writer on half the tracks and cowriter with gosling on the other half. "X" sees him as the sole writer on some tracks and collabing with one additional writer on most others, normally gosling or Pharrel. He is also responsible for writing Love Yourself for Justin Bieber. His writing credentials are not born out of him being a white male with a guitar, he is an actual singer song writer
Beyonce however is known to take credits for changing a word and adding some vibrato and harmonies. She hasnt written a song solo for like 18 years. Her and Ed are not equals where evidence of their song writing is concerned
Sexism in music is real but trying to use Ed vs Bey/Rih is a terrible example. Rihanna made no attempts prior to ANTi to position herself as a songwriter and we know she wasnt.
Frank and Solange have no issue with their writing creditials, its not an issue of race either.
Where writing camps are concerned lets also acknowledge that Lemonade and Beyonce are not equal. Selftitled actually saw her collaborate in writing, and we've seen the creation of songs from scratch with Beyonce at the forefront, for example "Partition". We also know that her and Boots cowrote together. If you actually listen to ingrid, james blake, diana, Mnek etc, almost every account from the writing of Lemonade paints a picture of her picking pieces of work from writers who sees sent briefs to and stiching it together like an editor. Probably why we have the recording process for DIL, Bday, 4 a ST but not IASF or Lemonade. I think the later 2 used writing camps in the negative connotation but with Bey at least directing the writers on Lem. |
Lemonade she wrote on Sandcastles, Daddy Lessons,etc. tho IASF also have recording footage literally was the trailer for that album
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Ed his Lemonade is coming. A 90+ on Metacritic has been sealed 
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The title is very misleading.
He clearly said in the interview that he has people come up to his house to make music like a collaborating, co-writer thing. It`s completely different to a writing camps.
And his music reflect that, whether you like his music or not, you must have admit his lyric, melody have something very Ed Sheeran style and you cannot achieve that if you have a writing camps.
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Still an amazing songwriter.
Still probably geared to have the best-selling release of the year.
Still talented.
So I think ATRL lost this round. 
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Originally posted by AwardLegend
What difference tho? And you're not "just pointing out" anything, but you're doing is being a hater and it's obvious. Kelly don't write all her music and uses camps I'm sure. Whether she's open and honest- like some credible artists are- or not.
Lastly, & most importantly, you're capping for this white man who is so talented that it doesn't even matter if there is a difference between his camp or Beys. Like.. what's the difference "sis" if one camp makes the better music than the other all collaborative camp? None. It's about the end result at the end of the day.
You can sit here and say there's a difference but guess what? You didn't even know he used camps period and prob would be in here arguing people down about how much of a artists he is for never using a camp had this thread not been created.
Taylor Swift, Adele, Beyoncé, Kelly they all collaborate with people to diff levels. It's always levels to anything, duh. But what you are most certainly forgetting and I don't wanna keep seeing you spread false info:
Beyonce uses camps sometimes, other times she uses other people songs who have written for her with her in mind, sometimes she writes entire songs (Die with you- while playing the Piano but I'm sleep), and MOST times- she tell writers what she's looking for and they do just that then obviously in Beyoncé fashion she'll radically change lyrics, song structures, harmonies and melodies, just to add texture to the song.
And often times she'll change a word- to get ha credit- or not change a word and keep SONG the exact same way, but slay it down.
I've been watching you hate for a v long time and it's unbecoming honestly. You stan for Gaga and Kelly right? Shame really. Since I like both and never find ways to nitpick then apart, but do you sis!
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What is this? You better have a history with him cause his posts in this thread are not hating Beyonce at all, he`s just point out the fact when it comes to songwritings, Ed Sheeran are on another level compare to Beyonce.
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Originally posted by JCON
Pretty much every big artist uses writing camps at least once. It's only a problem when it's Beyoncé or Rihanna.
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What about popular bands? They don't use writing camps...
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Misleading title. He didn't hire a camp of people to write for him, he had people over to his house to write with him
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
lol, what? People know him as a talented singer/songwriter. That's what he is. He's incredibly talented.
He had a large group of people at his house making music together, it's not like there was a camp assembled that he just came by after they had all been working and used their ideas. He's a songwriter through and through.
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Oh.
This thread should have been closed.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Still an amazing songwriter.
Still probably geared to have the best-selling release of the year.
Still talented.
So I think ATRL lost this round. |
st charles cancelled
his first album was cute
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You don't have 25 people over at your house in different rooms to write with you lol
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Originally posted by heartbeats
st charles cancelled
his first album was cute
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I've only heard like 6 songs from him.
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Originally posted by AwardLegend
What difference tho? And you're not "just pointing out" anything, but you're doing is being a hater and it's obvious. Kelly don't write all her music and uses camps I'm sure. Whether she's open and honest- like some credible artists are- or not.
Lastly, & most importantly, you're capping for this white man who is so talented that it doesn't even matter if there is a difference between his camp or Beys. Like.. what's the difference "sis" if one camp makes the better music than the other all collaborative camp? None. It's about the end result at the end of the day.
You can sit here and say there's a difference but guess what? You didn't even know he used camps period and prob would be in here arguing people down about how much of a artists he is for never using a camp had this thread not been created.
Taylor Swift, Adele, Beyoncé, Kelly they all collaborate with people to diff levels. It's always levels to anything, duh. But what you are most certainly forgetting and I don't wanna keep seeing you spread false info:
Beyonce uses camps sometimes, other times she uses other people songs who have written for her with her in mind, sometimes she writes entire songs (Die with you- while playing the Piano but I'm sleep), and MOST times- she tell writers what she's looking for and they do just that then obviously in Beyoncé fashion she'll radically change lyrics, song structures, harmonies and melodies, just to add texture to the song.
And often times she'll change a word- to get ha credit- or not change a word and keep SONG the exact same way, but slay it down.
I've been watching you hate for a v long time and it's unbecoming honestly. You stan for Gaga and Kelly right? Shame really. Since I like both and never find ways to nitpick then apart, but do you sis!
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I am just pointing out the difference, and again I'm not hating... And yeah there's been writing camps for her before but she typically has stuff sent to her instead for the stuff she doesn't write. And that's completely fine. Regardless, she's irrelevant to this discussion.
Which ever music you like more is completely up to you. I'm literally just pointing out that what Ed is describing is not a writing camp in the sense of what most people on here know a writing camp as, and he's more of a writer than people on here are giving him credit for. That's literally it. And his race is irrelevant..
What? Ed is a strong force as a writer, nothing changes that. He wrote his early EPs all by himself, and is the main writer (if not only writer) on all of the songs on his albums. People in this thread are seeing people throw around the word "writing camp" as if he has a team assembled for him to create songs for him that he just puts his spin on, which isn't the case at all. He literally just said he had a bunch of people to collaborate with from scratch. I'm just giving him his due credit.
Sis please point out where I'm "hating" on Beyonce. I like her a lot and respect her, I have never "hated" on her. I said repeatedly in this thread that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Beyonce's songs are made, and she's heavily involved in them. People in this thread are just saying that Ed does the same exact thing which isn't true, he's different. He's more of a writer just like Beyonce is more of a performer and more of a vocalist. Literally nothing wrong with any of it, just showing where each artist's biggest strengths lie.
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At some point he is going to be queer gay camp.queen of nothing
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Originally posted by A Little Unruly
He's not hating, like, at all, you're just one of the very, very delusional ones.
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Thank you, I don't understand how anything I've said could be interpreted as hating
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Originally posted by ahauntingnearu
It's so weird how this AwardLegend person is coming for you |
Right?
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Originally posted by KnewBetter
This isn't a bad thing but it's the biggest kiii ever considering that he makes himself out to be this great songwriter.
Anyway, hope this will be good for him and make his new music more interesting since it was getting stale and repetitive.  |
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Originally posted by mathekr
Isn't his whole thing supposed to be "singer-songwriter guy on the guitar"?  |
These are the kinds of posts that I was refuting with my posts, AwardLegend. People are just reading the title, assuming he assembles camps of people to write material for him that he then alters and writes upon to fit him better. Then they're giving him **** for it because he is marketed as a singer/songwriter and they're saying he's lying. And that's not true.
I'm just pointing out that A) what he described is not the same type of writing camp that a lot of artists like Bey, Rih, etc use and B) he IS a songwriter through and through, that's his thing. He's marketed as one because he is one. He is the main writer on all of his material from the ground up.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with people like Bey and Rih using writing camps. Especially Bey, because she's heavily involved in making the songs what they are whether she's writing on them or not. My fave Kelly doesn't write all of her songs either but is the same way, she is very selective the stuff she doesn't write and alters those songs to fit her better. But Ed is more of a songwriter than any of the artists I've just named and he deserves credit there. I'd be doing the same thing if someone was arguing against Kelly's vocal or interpreting ability, because that's her thing.
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