I swear it's always the ones lecturing others about any and everything that turns out to be the most bigoted, Communion isn't the only in this thread though, I could name one other member.
he is the bare definition of social justice warrior
he thinks he is fighting for minorities, and when a minority is educating him on how it's like being a minority, then he starts acting like the very people he despises: angry alt. right-wingers.
the way he started acting "I'm an American!1" and saying gross things about his ethnicity and poor English wording at that one sentence is so... vile and disgusting
but if it was any other member, he would scream "racism1" when the real irony here is that he's the one being racist
I never got the race or disabled thing. I was just so shocked that people were claiming it's transphobia to not wanna date transsexuals. I mean call me crazy but the whole point in gay not being a choice was that genitals do in fact matter. Are these stories really true tho? I don't use dating apps but what a ****ed up way to look at different races. I mean I can understand maybe if you didn't find dark skin as attractive as white but assuming most have thug personas is just
In the US, at least, there's so many connotations attached to ethnicity. The reason I'm not SO upset about it, is cause, if blacks weren't in the US, it'd just be another group at the bottom, let's say Italians or Irish, and people would discriminate against them. It's just a social hierarchy. And many people don't want to date "down" (or however they perceive it).
It has little to do with the individual being rejected and everything to do with the person doing the rejecting and how they see the world. That's the best way to look at it. For example, I prefer masc guys. I find femme guys attractive when they're attractive, but I'm also a slave to gender roles and, for my life, I want to live out a slightly heteronormative fantasy with a guy who lifts weights, doesn't have a lisp, and isn't into makeup.
That has nothing to do with the wonderful and attractive femme guys. It has everything to do with me and how I perceive the world. That may change one day (when I'm alone and old and desperate... ), but for now that's what I look for in a partner.
Some guys may want to live out their vanilla white fantasy and that has nothing to do with me or Asians or any other white guy but themselves. But, at the same time, the fact that it's so prominent in mainstream gay culture also means there's a representation issue. People can't see themselves with minorities cause they're hardly broadcasted in a positive and attractive light. So we fix that by projecting better images of minorities, not by shaming otherwise kind and actively non-racist people for their preference.
Anyway yeah, the trans thing is rather nonsensical. Especially if they don't have the body part you want. Or if they look like a cross between 2 sexes. Not everyone is looking for that.
That said, let's say you couldn't tell. This trans person looked everything like a boy. Like Aydian Dowling:
guy
And you were attracted to them and you found out they were trans after the fact of hooking/dating them. Is reacting negatively to an otherwise neutral situation after finding out the circumstances a phobia?
The mess I missed very insightful on people's true characters though
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
You know how religious people often tell you: "if you don't believe in god and heaven then whats the meaning of life"? Ofc there are many ways you can counter this, but I am just thinking. To them heaven and hell take place after death then. One is an eternity of torment and the other an eternity of bliss. What is the meaning of life after death in this case? Whats the point in eternal joy or torment when death can't put an end to either of them. I mean in this case is heaven really all that good and all its cracked up to be?
I always found the idea of spending an eternity in a conscious state as quite suffocating.
Not to sound depressive or anything but I like the idea of death as a form of ultimate closure.
If I could choose I wouldn't want an afterlife.
As far as dating preferences go I think they are all valid; be it not wanting to date transpeople.fat people,disabled people and so on. The only one I am more careful with are racially based preferences although I can't fully reason out why. They just seem quite incomprehensible to me since people of all races come with such a variety of features especially today where so many people are mixed. Although I wouldn't attack someone over it. I do think something might be off with someone who'd say "I'd never date race X" but I can't quite put my finger on what would make it different from sex for example. I mean most people, even the most extremists on the left, wouldn't attack a gay men for not wanting to have sex with women but what would be the difference between race and sex in this case? I feel like there is one but I don't quite know how to put it into words.
I don't really speak to people in my family aside from my big sister so I don't have this problem either way. My extended family doesn't matter to me. Though if you'd want to have a secular christmas here, you'd be hard pressed to find a place for it.
oh, and remember when he said he wishes Putin would nuke Europe, aimed at other members in this thread?
Don't slander my good name now, sis.
I didn't wish anything on anyone. I was just simply reminding my fellow ATRLers and the ones specifically from Eastern Europe that, while the migrant crisis is affecting Europe and some of y'all want the rise of neoconservative figures to combat that, the flip-side of that coin in Trump being elected is the likely reality Russia will work to expand its borders (who even said nuke? work on that memory sis) and will likely, if allowed, restart to build his army and eventually start expanding outward into areas like the Baltics.
In actuality, I'd be curious where y'all think the state of religion is headed in the next 4 years globally. Sure, one could argue neo-con governments want to be tough on Islam, but often right-wing governments have religious mandates or POVs, see: America, the UK (to a less degree), Germany, etc. I frankly don't see the world becoming more Atheist/Agnostic in this rise of conservative politics. In fact, I think it'll not only increase how religious people are, but their feverish attitudes for their faith for all religions.
Quote button is a wonderful thing. It makes it so unecesary to put words in others mouths to prove our points. For example
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Neither of y'all will ever be **** for these head ass views and I will NEVER feel an ounce of sympathy for y'all when Trump let's Russia come collect y'all in Europe and put your asses out in the ****ing snow, building his new palaces in his continental kingdom.
I didn't wish anything on anyone. I was just simply reminding my fellow ATRLers and the ones specifically from Eastern Europe that, while the migrant crisis is affecting Europe and some of y'all want the rise of neoconservative figures to combat that, the flip-side of that coin in Trump being elected is the likely reality Russia will work to expand its borders (who even said nuke? work on that memory sis) and will likely, if allowed, restart to build his army and eventually start expanding outward into areas like the Baltics.
In actuality, I'd be curious where y'all think the state of religion is headed in the next 4 years globally. Sure, one could argue neo-con governments want to be tough on Islam, but often right-wing governments have religious mandates or POVs, see: America, the UK (to a less degree), Germany, etc. I frankly don't see the world becoming more Atheist/Agnostic in this rise of conservative politics. In fact, I think it'll not only increase how religious people are, but their feverish attitudes for their faith for all religions.
you didn't use that word, but you did suggest that Putin would kill us in Europe and you wouldn't feel no sympathy for a committed holocaust that would occur.
And yes, I do agree that the rise of conservative leaders is very concerning. And (some)liberals aren't being very helpful by giving out better resolutions. I don't think atheism will stop growing, even in most religious countries, atheism is growing. The issue would be if these right-wing governments would ban or censor certain kinds of free speech. I don't think that would be a problem for some Western countries such as Canada, Germany or UK since their right-wing conservative government is completely different than right-wing governments in USA, Russia, etc. who are the pits of politics. It's when all liberals start treating minorities the same way the treat any other people in the country, is when we will make a progress. A muslim shouldn't have a special privilege because he's a muslim, when he has his own identify and individual opinion. Why would we treat a right-wing conservative muslim any differently than right-wing conservative christian? Both of their faiths are toxic and problematic. I won't make an excuse because one's ideology happens to be in the minority. If his ideology is trash, then I will treat him like the trash, especially considering his faith calls for my persecution.
Quote button is a wonderful thing. It makes it so unecesary to put words in others mouths to prove our points. For example
They are wonderful since the truth is always true, ie: Where are the words nuclear or wish?
Again, I won't feel sympathy for conservatives in Europe who hate migrants so much they want the rise of parties who'll literally lead to the rising of an actual formidable foreign body (rogue ISIL individuals vs a Russian army) due to Russia working in tandem in secret with said parties. Certain posters have revealed themselves to be conservative and can't see the forrest for the trees. They will not get sympathy, though I will not name them. Though unlike the people now wanting Congress to let poor people suffer to "learn their lesson", I do hope European powers will push back in the wake of Trump to conservative governments and protect its people from the real threat: not migrants, not diversity, not multiculturalism - no, a crazed fascist with nuclear weapons like Putin.
Though my liberal sistren in here, even if we vary & disagree on the spectrum of where we fall on the left, have my sympathy since they too will suffer at the hands of conservative idiots bowing down to Putin just as we will in the Americas thanks to Trump.
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you didn't use that word, but you did suggest that Putin would kill us in Europe and you wouldn't feel no sympathy for a committed holocaust that would occur.
And yes, I do agree that the rise of conservative leaders is very concerning. And (some)liberals aren't being very helpful by giving out better resolutions. I don't think atheism will stop growing, even in most religious countries, atheism is growing. The issue would be if these right-wing governments would ban or censor certain kinds of free speech. I don't think that would be a problem for some Western countries such as Canada, Germany or UK since their right-wing conservative government is completely different than right-wing governments in USA, Russia, etc. who are the pits of politics. It's when all liberals start treating minorities the same way the treat any other people in the country, is when we will make a progress. A muslim shouldn't have a special privilege because he's a muslim, when he has his own identify and individual opinion. Why would we treat a right-wing conservative muslim any differently than right-wing conservative christian? Both of their faiths are toxic and problematic. I won't make an excuse because one's ideology happens to be in the minority. If his ideology is trash, then I will treat him like the trash, especially considering his faith calls for my persecution.
See, we fundamentally cannot agree as no one has said to do that yet you choose to believe and misconstrue reality as such. Just as if a black man talking about hotep and how "feminism is cancer" should be educated, a Muslim man should be educated to combat his sexism and homophobia if he displays it.
Again, the issue is to tackle biases and prejudices.
My issue with the center-left is that they often feel persecuted when, if they're telling the truth, aren't even being targeted. If I say it's wrong to demonize Muslim men as being the ONLY sexist religious men in the world... then, if you never say that and agree that's wrong, why are you trying to combat me as though it's aimed at you? You're aware some people do these things, yet take it to be an attack at simply criticizing, not just biased/prejudice-fueled criticism.
Identity politics is not a "get out of jail free" card to say whatever and how sad you think that.
Anyone have super religious family/relatives? its so difficult being around people like this for me.
My mom. But she came to terms with the fact that I'm not religious, nor do I wish to attend church. She doesn't care as long as I don't get into trouble
My sister used to make me pray before I ate whenever I would eat at her house
See, we fundamentally cannot agree as no one has said to do that yet you choose to believe and misconstrue reality as such. Just as if a black man talking about hotep and how "feminism is cancer" should be educated, a Muslim man should be educated to combat his sexism and homophobia if he displays it.
Again, the issue is to tackle biases and prejudices.
My issue with the center-left is that they often feel persecuted when, if they're telling the truth, aren't even being targeted. If I say it's wrong to demonize Muslim men as being the ONLY sexist religious men in the world... then, if you never say that and agree that's wrong, why are you trying to combat me as though it's aimed at you? You're aware some people do these things, yet take it to be an attack at simply criticizing, not just biased/prejudice-fueled criticism.
Identity politics is not a "get out of jail free" card to say whatever and how sad you think that.
Muslim men being the only sexist religious men in the world isn't true, but is Islam, the religion they choose to be a follower of, is sexist? Yes.
So your sentence that they are only sexist religious people who can be sexist is wrong, because people of other sexist religions do follow sexist ideology. However, are they still sexist tho? Yes
I know there are christians, muslims, jews, etc. who aren't sexist, but they still support an ideology that is sexist. And every argument that ignores their sexist passages are just; excuse. And mostly those people only like to believe in god and afterlife, which is perfectly fine and okay, but we cannot ignore the real problem that their religion preaches and discriminates, it's just an excuse.
I am aware there are right-wing christians who think that muslims are the only people who hate women, but if I have a conversation with right-wing christians, I'd put them in their place for being hypocritical, the same way I'd put someone in their place if they're using an excuse for a problem.
We used to need religion. We do not need it anymore and all religion really did was make people complacent with the way world used to work so that they higher class could keep getting away with oppressing them. There is no need for Christianity in a modern western society and islam isn't rising cuz Atheists kept debunking christian claims That video was a mess.
What about spiritual/emotional aspect of religion?
It feels good to belong to something/know that you don't have to take on the world alone. And you have a community that (supposedly) supports you through thick and thin.
That's like the one thing I miss. A community of people who felt like they should take interest in your struggles because it was our duty as "body of Christ" to see each other through our problems.
I have great friends, everyone's just self-involved. Which is fine, cause we all have our own lives to live. But the church made it a charge to look after your neighbors. Even strangers you didn't know very well (supposedly) cared about you.
I think that's such a beautiful thing to be in a mutually uplifting community working toward a greater spiritual objective.
But I'm also not naive to the exclusions imposed on who can be part of the "body". That's why I keep marking it "supposedly". Cause I'm thinking of a time where I conformed to every expectation and things ran smoothly. Otherwise, once I figured I was gay, church became torture
), but for now that's what I look for in a partner. 
Not everyone is looking for that. 
guy
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very insightful on people's true characters though 
She doesn't care as long as I don't get into trouble 
