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Discussion: Atheists & Agnostics Hangout Thread.
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
Oh wow, wait. Is saying you're not into transpeople transphobic? By that logic, wouldn't a straight guy saying he's not into guys be homophobic? And gays are inherently misogynistic? 
Well I agree in a sense, at least that many on the left try to shut down discussion because they fear judging other religions (ie: Islam) more harshly is racist or something. That being said, we should do our best to discredit all religion, if for nothing else than the fact that things tend to be cyclical. Progress unfortunately doesn't go in one direction, societies can progress and regress. Just look at how Islam was once the religion that fostered so many intellectual advancements, then following wars and invasions, they became more fundamentalist and destroyed so much of what they created. Christianity has also gone through periods where it was more benign, then for various reasons more militant readings of the texts became popular, leading to more fundamentalist applications of their beliefs. I mean, just look at how it is practiced in the west, compared to Africa for example. Both societies are equally valid in their actions, as the Bible is highly contradictory and does bounce back and forth from "love your neighbor, promote online kindness" to "kill all gays, hoes (anyone who had sex before marriage), etc, and YES this still applies to you xoxo". Organized religion will always be one of the BEST excuses societies can find to murder and persecute. |
Yes, thats the sentiment going around about not wanting to date trans people 
Also the bolded part has always been one of my main concerns. We can go back and forth a thousand time about how people use it for good or how they use it for bad but the issue remains. It can be used for evil and as long as that potential for evil exists, it needs to be fought a debunked.
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Originally posted by Communion
Then maybe you should have acquainted yourself with the nuance of American conservatism before making a comment. For someone who hates SJWs, sis, you sure do a whole lot of what you hate, especially that whole speaking on issues w/o context or perspective thing. |
I spoke on the issue based on the apparent context that could have easily been interpreted the same way by anyone else. But good luck trying to stick the tag of "the nuance of American conservatism" on me when I'm at least as liberal, if not more than you are.
But as someone who has created an 8-page-long thread attacking people for hating on SJWs, I can confidently say I recognize which brand of SJW-ism is out there to fight for actual social justice (I strongly believe I belong to that) and which brand is out there to fetch for the most radically and regressively left-wing to say to inspire outrage and distress among people with common-sense and commitment to problem-solving. 
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
And attacking people based on their country of origin/citizenship.
Absolutely deplorable.
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This.
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Originally posted by Communion
Can we strike a deal that bans you from speaking on anything re: North America and all North American posters will stop talking about wherever you live? The sheer ignorance to speak on what you don't know. |
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This is dangerous. I can't believe this just went unnoticed.
What the actual **** is wrong with you?
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I spoke on the issue based on the apparent context that could have easily been interpreted the same way by anyone else. But good luck trying to stick the tag of "the nuance of American conservatism" on me when I'm at least as liberal, if not more than you are.
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What the **** are you talking about?
No one called you conservative. 
I - an American - commented on a thread about **** conservatives say. So if you want to comment on the "meanings" of my post, then acquaint yourself with American conservatism (something I - an American leftist - have to deal with) when an American is making a post about things they see American conservatives say.
This is no different when us American posters try to speak about racism - yes, racism - aimed at Muslims in the US and one of you go "hmmm ACTUALLY, sweetie, Islam is not a race " - a mindset no different in conservatives no matter the location apparently. Like, I as an American am obviously going to talk about how American conservatives act.
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Originally posted by Communion
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You do realize nobody gives a **** about you being American and that your repetition of that fact comes off as nationalist and condescending as hell, right?
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If you being american means you get to speak so freely about american conservatism then where the **** do you get off telling hecklinglovato on how he should speak on Islam and middle east issues when he is from middle east
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Originally posted by Rob_Matteo
You do realize nobody gives a **** about you being American and that your repetition of that fact comes off as nationalist and condescending as hell, right?
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Obviously they do if my post about **** I've seen conservatives say and interpret as dumb as an American got heckling so worked the **** up.
Though your hostility needs to be checked and left at the door.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
If you being american means you get to speak so freely about american conservatism then where the **** do you get off telling hecklinglovato on how she should speak on Islam and middle east issues when he is from middle east |
WHILE knowing that I did live in America and dealt with American conservatives and American liberals. (not that it should matter, nobody should be "banned" from speaking on an issue that doesn't relate to their region)
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Originally posted by Communion
What the **** are you talking about?
No one called you conservative.
I - an American - commented on a thread about **** conservatives say. So if you want to comment on the "meanings" of my post, then acquaint yourself with American conservatism (something I - an American leftist - have to deal with) when an American is making a post about things they see American conservatives say.
This is no different when us American posters try to speak about racism - yes, racism - aimed at Muslims in the US and one of you go "hmmm ACTUALLY, sweetie, Islam is not a race " - a mindset no different in conservatives no matter the location apparently. Like, I as an American am obviously going to talk about how American conservatives act. |
Looks like I'm racist against Islam, Christianity, judisim, etc. oops  
This thread is a mess
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Originally posted by Communion
Obviously they do if my post about **** I've seen conservatives say and interpret as dumb as an American got heckling so worked the **** up.
Though your hostility needs to be checked and left at the door. |
My hostility? You literally just suggested a ban on people outside of North America from speaking on issues relating to it.
Get over this ugly high horse you're trying to ride.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
If you being american means you get to speak so freely about american conservatism then where the **** do you get off telling hecklinglovato on how he should speak on Islam and middle east issues when he is from middle east |
I don't give a **** about anything local they speak on from their experience , but if they're going to comment on Western issues, then they need to familiarize themselves with Western context.
Similarly, no one would say hatred or war between two Arab parties in the ME a form of racism since the power system is vastly different there. But the vast majority of issues certain users want to get involved in are focused around Western context, which they refuse to understand before commenting, ie: the denial of racialization, the rebuking of issues in America/Europe as "not real oppression!!", etc.
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Originally posted by Rob_Matteo
My hostility? You literally just suggested a ban on people outside of North America from speaking on issues relating to it.
Get over this ugly high horse you're trying to ride.
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Pretty sure they already got a WP for this not too long ago:
Like, get the the hint already. 
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Communion 
The good sis serving extreme nationalist teas
Can't say I'm surprised though. He's pretty socialist too, quite the combo 
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Originally posted by Communion
I don't give a **** about anything local they speak on from their experience , but if they're going to comment on Western issues, then they need to familiarize themselves with Western context.
Similarly, no one would say hatred or war between two Arab parties in the ME a form of racism since the power system is vastly different there. But the vast majority of issues certain users want to get involved in are focused around Western context, which they refuse to understand before commenting, ie: the denial of racialization, the rebuking of issues in America/Europe as "not real oppression!!", etc. |
Where do you get off telling Lucas and other europeans about what systems and power dynamics are in place in Europe when it is different from America which is where you live then. Believe it or not, USA=/= Spain =/= Germany =/= Poland=/= Macedonia.
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Originally posted by Communion
I don't give a **** about anything local they speak on from their experience |
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This is borderline trolling at this point I am not sure why we even argue back
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
Where do you get off telling Lucas and other europeans about what systems and power dynamics are in place in Europe when it is different from America which is where you live then.
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It really ain't, sis.
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Originally posted by Rob_Matteo
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This is borderline trolling at this point I am not sure why we even argue back
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Sometimes I tell myself it's nice to have a debate and learn more, sometimes I sit back and scroll through in disbelief. 
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Originally posted by Rob_Matteo
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This is borderline trolling at this point I am not sure why we even argue back
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"I don't give a ****" = ie: I'm not going to argue with statements like "In [x], there's tension due to [y] and cause [z] attitudes". I'm not going to argue with them about **** they've lived.
However, if they then want to apply that to another issue, ie: something in America, or Europe, or another white supremacist culture, then yeah, I'm going to disagree.
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Anyways, back to atheism.
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The number of Brits who say they actively do not believe in any god or higher spiritual power has shot up five points, from 33 to 38 (+5) per cent in a single year despite the continuing ascendancy of Islam.
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5e...4-87ce261cae1e
2016 giving us something good 
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