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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Gunning for Governor now, Nevada will slowly become Californiarized 
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Yep I voted for Hillary when I knew she was vulnerable. And I'd vote for her again if she ever decided to run. I don't like Bernie or the far-left and a lot of people in the party agree with me. Absolutely no regrets.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Yep I voted for Hillary when I knew she was vulnerable. And I'd vote for her again if she ever decided to run. Absolutely no regrets. I don't like Bernie or the far-left and a lot of people in the party agree with me.
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This. Bernie doesn't represent me at all. It didn't help when he acted like southern Democratic voters were less valid than California during the primaries.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I'm curious to see how things will turn out with better campaign managers, Weaver's minority ignoring butt out and Robby Mook never working in this town again
Maybe we'll get the Left version of Kellyanne and Katrina to lead the campaigns
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Member Since: 10/12/2002
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
Why is Obama not taking actions?
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Why do you assume he isn't?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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My personal fave moment from the election:
Reporter: Madame Secretary do you admit to wiping your server?
HRC: what like with a cloth?
I screamed 
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Bloo
Omg, wow. Democratic leadership wanted the candidate that had helped build the party and contributed to other Democrats across the country in election efforts for decades rather than the man that sued the party, called them all entirely corrupt, and only changed party registration to be a Democrat 3 months before the first caucus only for legibility purposes? Amazing. Who would have thought?
Democratic leadership wanting Hillary over Bernie doesn't change the fact that they outwardly did nothing to discredit his candidacy. They didn't vet or attack him. They didn't derail his legitimacy. They just simply didn't like him. If you expect 100% impartiality from politicians, or any human being, you're living in a different world than I do. Everyone has biases. But, they didn't outwardly act on them in a way that it would affect voters. Now, if you want to complain about reported super delegate commitments before the first contest, sure. But, Obama still broke through that in 2008.
At the end of the day, Hillary fairly won the primaries by all measures. The DNC leadership having a personal preference that they didn't announce to the country didn't change the fact that Hillary had a very comfortable victory against Sanders in the primaries.
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OOP.
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Member Since: 12/29/2011
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
Why is Obama not taking actions?
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Why would we tell Putin what we are gonna do? Isn't that the way T**** said we should handle these matters, in secret?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Remember the rumor that Bernie was going to skydive to a rally?
The primaries were more hilarious than the general.
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
Remember the rumor that Bernie was going to skydive to a rally?
The primaries were more hilarious than the general.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Why would Obama clean up Trump's mess? What's next? Why's Hillary not flying there to negotiate? Give me a break.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Yep I voted for Hillary when I knew she was vulnerable. And I'd vote for her again if she ever decided to run. I don't like Bernie or the far-left and a lot of people in the party agree with me. Absolutely no regrets.
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It's still so funny seeing America categorize Bernie as far-left when most of his policies are considered pretty moderate in the rest of the first world 
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Bloo
Omg, wow. Democratic leadership wanted the candidate that had helped build the party and contributed to other Democrats across the country in election efforts for decades rather than the man that sued the party, called them all entirely corrupt, and only changed party registration to be a Democrat 3 months before the first caucus only for legibility purposes? Amazing. Who would have thought?
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if the shoe fits 
also, the party shouldn't have any kind of agenda or opinion about which candidate they would like to receive the nomination, it should just be up to the people. instead of choosing the candidate who was overwhelmingly more popular, who - unlike Hillary - was favored to win in the general election by most polls, and who - unlike Hillary - was bringing more and more independents and first-time voters into the Democratic constituency, they chose to succumb to cronyism and anoint the person who was doing worse in the polls against Trump, who had an ongoing criminal investigation, and who generally didn't excite the voter base
tl;dr Democratic party leaders suck, Hillary sucks, they lost bigly and they deserved it, and Hillary/the DNC is the reason we have President Trump. let's just hope Bernie lives long enough to fix this mess for us.
hopefully
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Redstreak
It's still so funny seeing America categorize Bernie as far-left when most of his policies are considered pretty moderate in the rest of the first world |
Americans are greedy, capitalistic, and fairly conservative.
So anytime someone wants to tax you, it's socialism.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Further slap in the face 
Keep in mind that a good portion of the NC General Assembly right now was elected on a districting plan now considered illegal
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
if the shoe fits
also, the party shouldn't have any kind of agenda or opinion about which candidate they would like to receive the nomination, it should just be up to the people. instead of choosing the candidate who was overwhelmingly more popular, who - unlike Hillary - was favored to win in the general election by most polls, and who - unlike Hillary - was bringing more and more independents and first-time voters into the Democratic constituency, they chose to succumb to cronyism and anoint the person who was doing worse in the polls against Trump, who had an ongoing criminal investigation, and who generally didn't excite the voter base
tl;dr Democratic party leaders suck, Hillary sucks, they lost bigly and they deserved it, and Hillary/the DNC is the reason we have President Trump. let's just hope Bernie lives long enough to fix this mess for us.
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He hasn't accomplished much through his political career, so I wouldn't expect much.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Bloo
This. Bernie doesn't represent me at all. It didn't help when he acted like southern Democratic voters were less valid than California during the primaries.
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MESS you can't just take his comments out of context so it fits your narrative of Bernie being a poor candidate
all he was saying was that the purpose of the primary should be to select the person who has the best chance of winning in the general election. he said that having a bunch of southern, solid red states go first in the democratic primary gives a false impression of who has the best chance of winning the election.
If we had popular vote system and the democratic voters in those red states were weighted equally with the blue state and swing state voters then this system would be fine, but we don't we have the electoral college and the primary should in some way give higher weight to blue-leaning and swing states because those states make up the coalition that a Democratic candidate needs to win in the general election. If a Democratic candidate wins a bunch of states in the primary that they can't win in the general election, and loses a bunch of states in the primary that they would NEED to win in the general election then they are probably a really bad candidate. Hillary won all of those red states in the first few primaries, largely because Bernie was still too unknown to compete with her name recognition, and it looked like she had this huge lead but when it came down to it, none of those primary victories translated to electoral college votes for her on election day.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
MESS you can't just take his comments out of context so it fits your narrative of Bernie being a poor candidate
all he was saying was that the purpose of the primary should be to select the person who has the best chance of winning in the general election. he said that having a bunch of southern, solid red states go first in the democratic primary gives a false impression of who has the best chance of winning the election.
If we had popular vote system and the democratic voters in those red states were weighted equally with the blue state and swing state voters then this system would be fine, but we don't we have the electoral college and the primary should in some way give higher weight to blue-leaning and swing states because those states make up the coalition that a Democratic candidate needs to win in the general election. If a Democratic candidate wins a bunch of states in the primary that they can't win in the general election, and loses a bunch of states in the primary that they would NEED to win in the general election then they are probably a really bad candidate. Hillary won all of those red states in the first few primaries, largely because Bernie was still too unknown to compete with her name recognition, and it looked like she had this huge lead but when it came down to it, none of those primary victories translated to electoral college votes for her on election day.
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Oh wow this tea. Never really thought about it this way 
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
MESS you can't just take his comments out of context so it fits your narrative of Bernie being a poor candidate
all he was saying was that the purpose of the primary should be to select the person who has the best chance of winning in the general election. he said that having a bunch of southern, solid red states go first in the democratic primary gives a false impression of who has the best chance of winning the election.
If we had popular vote system and the democratic voters in those red states were weighted equally with the blue state and swing state voters then this system would be fine, but we don't we have the electoral college and the primary should in some way give higher weight to blue-leaning and swing states because those states make up the coalition that a Democratic candidate needs to win in the general election. If a Democratic candidate wins a bunch of states in the primary that they can't win in the general election, and loses a bunch of states in the primary that they would NEED to win in the general election then they are probably a really bad candidate. Hillary won all of those red states in the first few primaries, largely because Bernie was still too unknown to compete with her name recognition, and it looked like she had this huge lead but when it came down to it, none of those primary victories translated to electoral college votes for her on election day.
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With that logic, doesn't Hillary still make more sense because she won the important swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, and Iowa? 
Why would winning solid blue states mean anything if they're an assumed state for the Democratic candidate? Hillary won the swing states, meaning this argument still favors her.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Bernie was always overrated. TYT trying it with that "Bernie turns a Trump supporter to a Democrat" Girl bye. She was just stupid and didn't know facts, and rejected everything she wanted.
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