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Discussion: Did bitterness towards whites propel Trump?
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Originally posted by St. Charles
People who are alt-right are not exactly racist, sexist, or homophobic. But they are focusing in on SJW culture and reacting almost specifically to it. I think that they have therefore blinded themselves into voting for Trump, and honestly it is most likely just a phase for some people. I think SJW's really did make the alt-right movement stronger. Some of them were simply caught up in the hype + will dissolve into the Democratic Party as they mature. This election was an anomoly and a joke.
Let a likable Democratic candidate make an entrance in 2020. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
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i disagree with you 100%
the entire anti-PC rhetoric is stupid posturing and is a ****** scare-tactic the far-right has been using for decades
the alt-right is not a group of moderate disenfranchised white people
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
Once again: welcome to the club, poor whites.  Doesn't feel too good does it? |
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Originally posted by Alaska.
Yes, I get triggered when I get called a cracker. Poor me.
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some people don't have very good reading comprehension skills
or just see that a white person is offended by something and immediately have to denounce that, whether that's even the main point of the discussion or not, and want to win quick super-enlightened internet points. probably the latter.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
People who are alt-right are not exactly racist, sexist, or homophobic. But they are focusing in on SJW culture and reacting almost specifically to it. I think that they have therefore blinded themselves into voting for Trump, and honestly it is most likely just a phase for some people. I think SJW's really did make the alt-right movement stronger. Some of them were simply caught up in the hype + will dissolve into the Democratic Party as they mature. This election was an anomoly and a joke.
Let a likable Democratic candidate make an entrance in 2020. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
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I'm sorry, but no.
We need to stop pretending "SJW culture" is a thing.
We need to stop using certain words like "SJWs" as pejoratives to dismiss the overall societal problems in America and stop this reframing.
White people didn't have a PC problem.
White people didn't have a problem with "SJWs".
White people had and have a problem wth confronting the reality that very specific and important pillars of white supremacy in American culture must, and can realistically, end in their live times.
That's why they cling to their guns.
That's why they blame undocumented workers for "stealing" their jobs and not businesses for exploiting these poor workers.
That's why they see diversity as harmful and threatening to their White Identity.
If anything, this election only showed NEOLIBERALISM must die.
We must stop coddling these people. We need to end neoliberalism and have real, direct conversations about white supremacy and hatred in this country. Watered-down and diluted "pragmatic social change" got us nowhere.
If Republicans thought this election would make SJWs "ease up", they're going to be disappointed n realizing this will only make Leftists point to their neoliberal Democrat peers, say their methods are not working, and have a generation of progressives launch the most aggressive and direct discourse and platforms we've ever had about white supremacy, bigotry, misogyny, etc.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Bwahahahaha not only is the premise of this thread wrong as he actually energized less voters overall than previous republican candidates but he energized blue collar whites working 2 jobs a day to make ends meet. Y'all think those guys have time for anti-white attacks on Tumblr or MTV Decoded? Deluded fools.
Branding everything racist (Cultural appropriation aka one of the biggest nonissues etc.) sure did help in mitigating the word "racist" but these white people came out in flocks and PRAISED Trump for speaking their language and saying exactly "What everyone is thinking" (Only they think what he says) thus proving all of us who warned of sneaky white people RIGHT. So no I will not walk over eggshells for people put up a progressive facade only to betray us behind the voting booth curtains. Not.On.My.Watch
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Trump is a polarizing candidate. It's kind of like a Badlands debuting at #2 tea. Most people don't listen to Halsey or care for her, but she had a huge fanbase that propelled her. So did Trump.
I'm telling you that it was a lot of these SWM's from YouTube and Reddit. They wanted Trump almost exclusively because of anti-SJW ******** and anti-Hillary ********. Not because they were actually republican. Republicans don't even like Trump. 
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Honestly i think so (to some extent at least)
America is a mess
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Girl stop acting like they are getting ready to put us in the damn cotton fields. What rights can they actually constitutionally take away from POC?
Also, any POC acted unbothered by Trump's chances of winning and a lot of them did NOT vote. Now people are posting stuff on Facebook saying they were attacked or experienced racism for real. It sucks, but it was a wake-up call.
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Not sure why people are so quick to say the most extreme case of something in opposition to concerns.
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Originally posted by Kingfisher
i disagree with you 100%
the entire anti-PC rhetoric is stupid posturing and is a ****** scare-tactic the far-right has been using for decades
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No it's a thing. I realize this topic is about the US but for example our government in France took the longest time to actually name ISIS as islamic extremism. They just didn't want to say islamic, they just said "extremist". But extremist of which ideology ?
Which will then make other people go to the other extreme saying all muslims are responsible should be deported and whatnot.
Could you imagine being a victim of terrorism, or being a relative of a victim and see your own government not willing to qualify the terrorist as what they are because they're afraid of being deemed islamophobic ?
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Originally posted by FBF
I agree with your whole post, except this. Why ?
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i guess it's less "it comes from an acceptable attitude" and more "it doesn't lead to as much physical consequences towards those people", you know? it still has consequences like the ones i mentioned, and it's also really dumb and useless, but in the end it doesn't result in nearly as much violence/terrorism as other types of racism do.
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Originally posted by Communion
I'm sorry, but no.
We need to stop pretending "SJW culture" is a thing.
We need to stop using certain words like "SJWs" as pejoratives to dismiss the overall societal problems in America and stop this reframing.
White people didn't have a PC problem.
White people didn't have a problem with "SJWs".
White people had and have a problem wth confronting the reality that very specific and important pillars of white supremacy in American culture must, and can realistically, end in their live times.
That's why they cling to their guns.
That's why they blame undocumented workers for "stealing" their jobs and not businesses for exploiting these poor workers.
That's why they see diversity as harmful and threatening to their White Identity.
If anything, this election only showed NEOLIBERALISM must die.
We must stop coddling these people. We need to end neoliberalism and have real, direct conversations about white supremacy and hatred in this country. Watered-down and diluted "pragmatic social change" got us nowhere.
If Republicans thought this election would make SJWs "ease up", they're going to be disappointed n realizing this will only make Leftists point to their neoliberal Democrat peers, say their methods are not working, and have a generation of progressives launch the most aggressive and direct discourse and platforms we've ever had about white supremacy, bigotry, misogyny, etc.
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Well, when I'm talking about the "alt-right", I was basically referring to many of the younger Trump supporters (the internet users). You're right about the older, uneducated, suburban voters.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Trump is a polarizing candidate. It's kind of like a Badlands debuting at #2 tea. Most people don't listen to Halsey or care for her, but she had a huge fanbase that propelled her. So did Trump.
I'm telling you that it was a lot of these SWM's from YouTube and Reddit. They wanted Trump almost exclusively because of anti-SJW ******** and anti-Hillary ********. Not because they were actually republican. Republicans don't even like Trump. |
That's not what the exit polls are showing. They're showing Hillary winning women with a bigger percentage than the one he was winning men with. They're showing him winning white women and latinos with the same margins as the perfect republican Mitt Romney. Sorry, but the republicans duped y'all into thinking they have any sort of decency 
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Originally posted by cloudinthesky
I mean, what else do you want me to tell you?  Minorities fought for decades to be treated equal to whites in this country and we finally began to make progress.
Now suddenly some white people feel scared, threatened, and "ignored" and wanna blame it on minorities taking everything away from them, when in reality, we have only taken the rights we were owed. We have nothing to do with middle America losing jobs. We've been suffering from this **** for even longer than they have. But for some reason they believe the solution is to get rid of and silence us. So here we are back at the beginning. That's the **** that got us here in the first place. It's a cycle and I'm not about to feel sorry for them and I definitely ain't gonna sit back and allow them to send us back to the dark ages.
Hopefully next election when these poor, jobless whites realize that they're still poor and jobless, they will finally realize that we were never the enemy. |
but you're arguing a point that isn't the one he's trying to make. he never said these people were rational in their views regarding this, but the point is that the views still exist.
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Originally posted by Shizuka
Not sure why people are so quick to say the most extreme case of something in opposition to concerns.
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It was a joke. It was another way of saying "I think you may be overreacting a little." I don't literally think that he feels that way.
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Originally posted by accelgors
i guess it's less "it comes from an acceptable attitude" and more "it doesn't lead to as much physical consequences towards those people", you know? it still has consequences like the ones i mentioned, and it's also really dumb and useless, but in the end it doesn't result in nearly as much violence/terrorism as other types of racism do.
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Gotcha, I agree.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Girl stop acting like they are getting ready to put us in the damn cotton fields. What rights can they actually constitutionally take away from POC?
Also, any POC acted unbothered by Trump's chances of winning and a lot of them did NOT vote. Now people are posting stuff on Facebook saying they were attacked or experienced racism for real. It sucks, but it was a wake-up call.
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"Being sent back to the dark ages" clearly wasn't literal. Obviously we're not going to go back to the days of slavery and cotton picking. But I didn't even say poc in the first place, I said minorities.
Rolling back gay marriage is a very realistic possibility. So is deportation. Stop and frisk. Giving police more freedom in an environment that's already hostile toward non-whites. These are all key points in Trump's plan that they voted for.
In addition to that, it's not just the possibility of silencing us through legislation. It's the precedent that has been set. There's already been an increase in hate speech/crime and it hasn't even been a week since he won. It's silencing through scare tactics and violence. All because they feel threatened by us and for some reason think that we're taking away their jobs and their liberty.
People not voting is an entirely separate problem in itself.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Well, when I'm talking about the "alt-right", I was basically referring to many of the younger Trump supporters (the internet users). You're right about the older, uneducated, suburban voters.
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The alt-right, as they ACTUALLY are defined, are a group of far-right young predominantly white men who TRULY believe in European identity, who believe "in the homeland", who believe the world is trying to feminize them by pushing forward women or gay folks, who believe it is their birth right and genetic destiny as a white man to succeed and LEAD the world. 
The alt-right is not just ****ing 4chan Youtubers making trolling videos. Some of them are STEM professors in revered colleges literally preaching the idea that diversity is to "dilute and kill out the superior White race".
These people are DANGEROUS and very real. There are literal tons of them on this very forum. 
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By the way, some Republicans live in their own world. They subscribe to news sources that only post articles like "White kid gunned down by black cops BUT LIBERAL MEDIA WON'T REPORT THIS!!!!11" and they post it all over facebook.
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Originally posted by accelgors
i guess it's less "it comes from an acceptable attitude" and more "it doesn't lead to as much physical consequences towards those people", you know? it still has consequences like the ones i mentioned, and it's also really dumb and useless, but in the end it doesn't result in nearly as much violence/terrorism as other types of racism do.
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Obviously it will rarely to never have consequences for a white person to be attacked for their race but that doesn't make the action any less wrong. Anyone who attacks someone for their race is racist and wrong. There's no need to give anyone any leeway when they judge and attack an entire race.
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Originally posted by St. Charles
It was a joke. It was another way of saying "I think you may be overreacting a little." I don't literally think that he feels that way.
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But is it really overreacting?
Surely there are other things that minorities fear that are legit even if not as terrifying as being a cotton picking slave.
Seemed a bit of an off joke to what they were saying.
That's a different topic in itself though.
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Originally posted by Communion
The alt-right, as they ACTUALLY are defined, are a group of far-right young predominantly white men who TRULY believe in European identity, who believe "in the homeland", who believe the world is trying to feminize them by pushing forward women or gay folks, who believe it is their birth right and genetic destiny as a white man to succeed and LEAD the world.
The alt-right is not just ****ing 4chan Youtubers making trolling videos. Some of them are STEM professors in revered colleges literally preaching the idea that diversity is to "dilute and kill out the superior White race".
These people are DANGEROUS and very real. There are literal tons of them on this very forum. |
These hoes are on the way out though. It's almost inevitable. This was the last hoorah of any hope of bringing the "good ol' days" back. So it's kinda over. The only thing they can really do after this is handle it physically, which... (LOL).
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Originally posted by MonsterPaw
I think it was one of the reasons but not the main reasons. We need to fight together against injustice not alone. Everyone has problems, "white people" included. We need to stop putting people in boxes. There are people who want to 'fight' against injustice and those who create injustice and there are many minorities who contribute to the second group.
We need a progressive movement not a regressive movement and the people who constantly mention white people are regressive. |
Alt right is not half as dangerous as the regressive left because they are the ones that divided the entire left while the right stood strong and united. The entire progressive movement suffered a heavy blow and this should be the wake up call, but instead watch them get even more bitter and vocal
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