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Discussion: Is Janet's success overrated?
Member Since: 6/30/2012
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Originally posted by UnusualBoy
Actually Britney has outsold her by almost 10 million, isn't Janet's album sales around 70 million while Britney has passed the 80 million mark?
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yeah
Britneys sold more albums, singles and grossed more.
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
yes very, like, who cares about how many consecutive top 20 singles she has? they're all forgotten in the US and unknown outside of it. btw, it was like 3 decades ago. it's not relevant, it's hardly a huge/significant accomplishment.
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It is a significant achievement. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Yes. She might not have strong catalog stats, but you aren't forgotten just because you haven't had a VEVO hit.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Celine, yes. Britney, no. And Janet bested both of them on Billboard's Anniversary chart. All inclusive, Janet's stats are more impressive than Celine and Britney's.
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Celine has sold some 140M+ albums.
Britney has sold 84M albums.
Janet has sold 76M albums.
Janet did well on an inverse-chart point system (which is the laziest method ever; the second biggest album in the U.S. didn't make their top 200) thanks to radio. Both Britney and Celine have more single sales and streams than Janet, too.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Lol, this is what I mean by Janet being overrated. Whilst I don't think her success in a factual sense is overrated, her fans tend to inflate her fame and success, particularly WW. Some Americans seem to think that America is the world. Probably because they don't own a passport. Oh well.
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Thats not true. Fans talk about Janet's success as it relates to the US because this site is US focused and based on US charts. No one is inflating Janet's stats WW. So you can stop. if the US wasnt so important world wide then half of ATRL shouldnt even exist on this US centric message board. Just sayin'....
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Never has, never will.
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"Her voice and footwork may suffer when compared to older brother Michael's, but the King of Pop has a legitimate family challenger when it comes to pure showmanship."
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...ckson-19980710
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by dcode78
Kiii.. The "Scream" video can attest to that.
Yall can throw Michael in the mix all you want, but Janet's accomplishments, impact, and influence will never go away. Nothing ATRL or anyone can do about it.
She's your faves fave. Your fave will bow down like they are suppose to in her presence. |
MJ could have sold out any stadium WW - any place, any time. JJ can barely sell out arenas in her biggest market. Just keeping it real, sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
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Lol, no. Never happening. Just stupid.
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
This is actually very true. Here in the UK, if you ask someone to name a Janet Jackson song, 9 out of 10 people won't be able to. Those that do will probably name Rhythm Nation, probably her most recognisable song internationally if there is one.
I, personally, know a lot of JJ songs, because I'm actually a fan believe it or not.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Bey_Rihstan
So everyone has close to 20 consecutive top 10's just laying around? You sound silly.
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the point is, who cares about THIS? This is a forgotten, local and insignificant accomplishment. I can list you more than 20 songs from Britney, Madonna or even Beyoncé that didn't chart inside the top 30 yet are more known, global and relevant than Janet's quick lil top 10 singles
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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One of the most influential female stars ever, she's not overrated in any way, especially by the public.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
Janet's quick lil singles
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
MJ could have sold out any stadium WW - any place, any time. JJ can barely sell out arenas in her biggest market. Just keeping it real, sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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My feelings will never be hurt. As a life long Janet fan and Michael fan, I know the tea. If you and the other ignorant people wanna remain ignorant that's on yall.
You act like Janet never sold out stadiums..toured the world over..and is one of the greatest entertainers in history.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Josh
Britney claims Madonna is her influence yet I don't see anything Madonna related in Britney's discography only thing they have in common is their love for bleach blonde hair that ages them badly and the LGBT community
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you don't have to copy someone for them to influence you.
I just find it humorous (for all the wrong reasons) when someone claims that ONE sole artist is the reason for a slew of other people.. who are CLEARLY influenced by superior artists than the one mentioned.
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Eternium
Yes. She might not have strong catalog stats, but you aren't forgotten just because you haven't had a VEVO hit.
Celine has sold some 140M+ albums.
Britney has sold 84M albums.
Janet has sold 76M albums.
Janet did well on an inverse-chart point system (which is the laziest method ever; the second biggest album in the U.S. didn't make their top 200) thanks to radio. Both Britney and Celine have more single sales and streams than Janet, too. |
Janet was the first female to debut at #1 on the soundscan charts.
Additionally Celine isnt remembered here in the US like she is in the smaller countries and smaller music markets of the world. If they do remember her its because of the movie titanic and that song that everyone hated but was forced on them for two weeks while it sat at #1 on the HOT 100. I mention songs like The Power of Love to people and they look at me like Im speaking french to them.
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
This is actually very true. Here in the UK, if you ask someone to name a Janet Jackson song, 9 out of 10 people won't be able to. Those that do will probably name Rhythm Nation, probably her most recognisable song internationally if there is one.
I, personally, know a lot of JJ songs, because I'm actually a fan believe it or not.
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Most people would recognize Together Again.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
the point is, who cares about THIS? This is a forgotten, local and insignificant accomplishment. I can list you more than 20 songs from Britney, Madonna or even Beyoncé that didn't chart inside the top 30 yet are more known, global and relevant than Janet's quick lil top 10 singles |
I could do the same as well for Janet. Because where I'm from no one knows or talks about Madonna or Britney. However, Janet and Beyoncé are very known.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Most people would recognize Together Again.
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I don't care about Janet but this is true. This is the closest she has to a global classic.
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by KingKunta
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https://youtu.be/lzLqg7EDTPk
Michael states dance was moving to a military style, which means, like the "moonwalk", he borrowed the concept from the creativity of street dancers. The only similarity between Captain EO and RN is the triangular formation, which is a standard formation in dance anyway.
And if Janet "borrowed" (or "stole", wording depending on how pressed you are) steps, she wouldn't have needed to co-choreograph a routine with Anthony Thomas.
https://youtu.be/Lta1-rTQcFk
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Member Since: 4/29/2011
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Originally posted by UnusualBoy
Actually Britney has outsold her by almost 10 million, isn't Janet's album sales around 70 million while Britney has passed the 80 million mark?
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Her label stats add up to around 85 million.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
the point is, who cares about THIS? This is a forgotten, local and insignificant accomplishment. I can list you more than 20 songs from Britney, Madonna or even Beyoncé that didn't chart inside the top 30 yet are more known, global and relevant than Janet's quick lil top 10 singles |
You don't even think before you type anymore do you?
Yea Janet's records are irrelevant but Madonna stans are making threads celebrating her being the first artist from the 80s to get a vevo certified video with a million likes.
http://data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4A...yC7hWVlZWiX//Z
And i'd like to know what singles you are referring to if you may.
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