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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by Damien M
She doesn't have a major issue that defines her campaign. Trump's is immigration, Bernie's was Wall St/Free college. (#ImWithHer is a terrible slogan as well)
And the little tidbits of "small, incremental policy changes" that she does have are dull and/or uninspiring.
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So, to have a platform is to have a single issue that you talk about? Okay, then that's another reason to support Hillary Clinton. I don't care for single-issue candidates.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
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Not a single one of the three things in this compilation answers ShineOverShadow's request of providing an example of a vote or view impacted directly from Wall Street contributions. 
Also, gay marriage? Really? Everyone flipped on that issue and do not pretend to act otherwise.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by i spit on haters
I'll assume you're fully familiar with the 3-strike bill.
I don't think Hillary cares about the interests of the Black community and alot of her and Bill's reforms and policies had a major impact of lower-income Black communities, so I'm not exactly eager to give her my vote.
I do concur with this and many blacks feel the same, but then there are many within the black community who I feel is too loyal to the Clinton brand. I mean, this is a community that has deemed Bill Clinton "the first black President". I think if some of them did some thorough researching they would be surprised to what they would discover, to say the least.
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Black voters are the most cautious +pragmatic and fully aware of what we're getting with Hillary (ie nothing).
Bernie flopped w black voters (and minorities all over) simply bc his platform only appeals to angry whites and big-city millenials. What good is "breaking up big banks" going to do for a single mom in New Orleans?
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Bloo
So, to have a platform is to have a single issue that you talk about? Okay, then that's another reason to support Hillary Clinton. I don't care for single-issue candidates.
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No, but her other "policies on her website!" aren't anything to write home about either. Her idea of 'debt-free college' for example is just a bunch of fancy words that mean zero.
She's running on "I'm sane and better than Trump", which is OK (and true), but the fact is that there's nothing special about her candidacy that couldn't have been replicated by any middle-of-the-road Democrat.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Damien M
No, but her other "policies on her website!" aren't anything to write home about either. Her idea of 'debt-free college' for example is just a bunch of fancy words that mean zero.
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I'm confused as to how it means nothing when there is an outlined plan on her website with details on what she plans to accomplish in the realm of making college affordable and tackling student debt? This entire criticism by you just sounds like you're saying her campaign isn't catchy, which doesn't mean anything to me, quite frankly. I would say that candidate X with a good idea of how to approach something is better and means much more than candidate Y that has a single issue that they focus on and then fails to answer "How do you plan on doing this?"
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She's running on "I'm sane and better than Trump", which is OK (and true), but the fact is that there's nothing special about her candidacy that couldn't have been replicated by any middle-of-the-road Democrat.
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It's realistic. Promising the sky is a recipe for being that president that failed to accomplish any of their campaign promises. Which means that is not a strong platform.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
The good thing about her not caving into Bernie's requests is that she's more likely to pull in Republican voters and she's doing a good job of that now. I know tons of Republicans that are likely going to vote for her (and if not her, Gary Johnson) because they feel safe with her being president as opposed to Trump.
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Right. I wonder if Elizabeth would damage that. If she did, it wouldn't matter because it'll bring the far left in.
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Originally posted by Damien M
She doesn't have a major issue that defines her campaign. Trump's is immigration, Bernie's was Wall St/Free college. (#ImWithHer is a terrible slogan as well)
And the little tidbits of "small, incremental policy changes" that she does have are dull and/or uninspiring.
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Actually #ImWithHer is not her slogan. She once changed it to #ShesWithUs. Then changed it to Breaking Down Every Barrier. She then changed it to Fighting For Us, and now it's Stronger Together. Her campaign said it will change again for and after the convention.
And she doesn't focus on one issue which is in part one of the reasons she won against Bernie, and probably Trump. These incremental changes won against the populist. It may not be the whole country's cup of tea, but for plenty of us it is.
And immigration reform and her infrastructure plan in the first 100 days are pretty big. Also her wanting to power every home with solar panels in America by the end of her 2nd term is the biggest positive plan I've heard from any candidate this year.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Bloo
So, to have a platform is to have a single issue that you talk about? Okay, then that's another reason to support Hillary Clinton. I don't care for single-issue candidates.
Not a single one of the three things in this compilation answers ShineOverShadow's request of providing an example of a vote or view impacted directly from Wall Street contributions.
Also, gay marriage? Really? Everyone flipped on that issue and do not pretend to act otherwise. |
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35788116
Try this ^
The other article I posted was showing how Hillary changes her positions when it is politically convenient.
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Member Since: 10/17/2009
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Originally posted by Damien M
She doesn't have a major issue that defines her campaign. Trump's is immigration, Bernie's was Wall St/Free college. (#ImWithHer is a terrible slogan as well)
And the little tidbits of "small, incremental policy changes" that she does have are dull and/or uninspiring.
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That's an absurd criticism. She knows that this isn't a one issue country, and she's not running a one issue campaign. She has a comprehensive platform with many issues being a great proirity for her, immigration reform, gun control, and clean energy being three of the most important for her, based on how often she speaks about them.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
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Read the whole article, and there's nothing in there about her changing a stance on an issue or changing a vote because of Wall Street contributions. Sorry, try harder.
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
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That provided zero examples as well, not to mention that "changing her positions when it is politically convenient" isn't what anyone was asking you about and is largely a Republican-peddled myth manufactured in the 90's, early 2000's, and the 2008 campaign to try to incite anti-Clinton paranoia among the Democratic base. 
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Damien M
She doesn't have a major issue that defines her campaign. Trump's is immigration, Bernie's was Wall St/Free college. (#ImWithHer is a terrible slogan as well)
And the little tidbits of "small, incremental policy changes" that she does have are dull and/or uninspiring.
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I'm sorry, but is this really what anyone's basing a vote on?
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Originally posted by Damien M
No, but her other "policies on her website!" aren't anything to write home about either. Her idea of 'debt-free college' for example is just a bunch of fancy words that mean zero.
She's running on "I'm sane and better than Trump", which is OK (and true), but the fact is that there's nothing special about her candidacy that couldn't have been replicated by any middle-of-the-road Democrat.
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No, her policies are actually extremely thorough and comprehensive. She even addresses some issues no other candidate has bothered to mention (Alzheimer's research and patient care, for example) that affect a surprising amount of families.
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by Damien M
No, but her other "policies on her website!" aren't anything to write home about either. Her idea of 'debt-free college' for example is just a bunch of fancy words that mean zero.
She's running on "I'm sane and better than Trump", which is OK (and true), but the fact is that there's nothing special about her candidacy that couldn't have been replicated by any middle-of-the-road Democrat.
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I'm comforted by the fact that millions of voters disagree with you. 
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btw I really want Hillary's campaign song to be "Cola"by Lana Del rey.
I fall asleep with an American flag
I wear my diamonds on skid row
I pledge allegiance to my dad
For teaching me everything he knows
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Why are people so against $15.00 minimum wage? It's very reasonable and not that much really. Working full time on $15.00 is only about $29,000 a year and that's before taxes. It's a good standard to set for the cost of living in today's society.
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Originally posted by keepitundercover
Why are people so against $15.00 minimum wage? It's very reasonable and not that much really. Working full time on $15.00 is only about $29,000 a year and that's before taxes. It's a good standard to set for the cost of living in today's society.
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its almost impossible for small businesses to pay this without significantly raising prices in their stores or simply going out of business. Many of them are already hurting. I think it should be a vote state by state. 12 seems more reasonable for now though.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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 Wyd at some of the people in here recently...
What do you guys think of "peace through strength" and nuclear energy?
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by Vision
I'm not even from the U.S and I know that Hillary has a platform, equal pay. I hear about it all the time even in the UK.
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not you knowing more about Hillary's platform than most American Hillary haters. I'm done.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by keepitundercover
Why are people so against $15.00 minimum wage? It's very reasonable and not that much really. Working full time on $15.00 is only about $29,000 a year and that's before taxes. It's a good standard to set for the cost of living in today's society.
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As Reza mentioned, our country can't afford a 15 dollar minimum wage. Not the way we are currently set up. We need to change a lot of other things before we have the capacity to mandate that employers comply to that price. We need to be in a position to prevent the cost of goods from rising so much in response that the pay raise becomes negligible. We need to be able to combat other economic risks like inflation.
For so many different reasons, this country isn't ready for a federal $15 minimum wage.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
Read the whole article, and there's nothing in there about her changing a stance on an issue or changing a vote because of Wall Street contributions. Sorry, try harder.
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Originally posted by Retro
That provided zero examples as well, not to mention that "changing her positions when it is politically convenient" isn't what anyone was asking you about and is largely a Republican-peddled myth manufactured in the 90's, early 2000's, and the 2008 campaign to try to incite anti-Clinton paranoia among the Democratic base. |
Now why would the heads of JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs be giving Hillary so much money for speeches and political contributions? She claims she is going to be "tough" on Wall Street, no? They aren't giving her all that money for nothing, they expect something in return...
Hillary sways in the political winds "like a kite caught in a hurricane". She is beholden to special interests first, the American people second.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Now why would the heads of JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs be giving Hillary so much money for speeches and political contributions? She claims she is going to be "tough" on Wall Street, no? They aren't giving her all that money for nothing, they expect something in return...
Hillary sways in the political winds "like a kite caught in a hurricane". She is beholden to special interests first, the American people second.
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This has been going on for pages and you still aren't giving up 
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by RihsusChrist(ATG)
Now why would the heads of JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs be giving Hillary so much money for speeches and political contributions? She claims she is going to be "tough" on Wall Street, no? They aren't giving her all that money for nothing, they expect something in return...
Hillary sways in the political winds "like a kite caught in a hurricane". She is beholden to special interests first, the American people second.
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They also contributed to Obama's campaign and he imposed the toughest restrictions on them to date. Hillary has said she will keep them even more in check. next topic?
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Music=Epicness
This has been going on for pages and you still aren't giving up
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What can I say...I'm tenacious, Epicness.
Any logical person can see that Hillary is a corrupt politician. Some people make her out to be like Mother Teresa! Hillary Rodham never met a bill she didn't like... Clinton or Hundred Dollar. 
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Originally posted by Reza
They also contributed to Obama's campaign and he imposed the toughest restrictions on them to date. Hillary has said she will keep them even more in check. next topic?
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This has nothing to do with Obama...he has political convictions, unlike Hillary.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Retro
As Reza mentioned, our country can't afford a 15 dollar minimum wage. Not the way we are currently set up. We need to change a lot of other things before we have the capacity to mandate that employers comply to that price. We need to be in a position to prevent the cost of goods from rising so much in response that the pay raise becomes negligible. We need to be able to combat other economic risks like inflation.
For so many different reasons, this country isn't ready for a federal $15 minimum wage.
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This happens over the course of a few years though. It doesn't go to $15 overnight.
Plus there's a lot of evidence that show raising the minimum wage leads to increased job growth.
And the info about it hurting small businesses is pretty much the conservative response to why it shouldn't happen. It's the same argument they made against Obamacare.  There is little evidence to suggest that increasing the minimum wage hurts business. A lot of places that rose the minimum wage apparently saw employment grow at faster rates than the national average.
The myth about small business being hurt just isn't a good enough reason to be against it. Plus most small businesses support an increase in the minimum wage since it leads to lower turnovers. And then there's things like increased worker productivity as well.
More money in American's pockets = more spending, which leads to economic growth.
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