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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by ShineOverShadow
In the grand scheme of things, changing the primary process is not going to change much at all. This year is unique with people's affection for anti-establishment candidates, and there are no signs of it being a lasting phenomenon. We will have many "establishment" nominees in the general elections to come. There's nothing inherently wrong with "establishment" candidates, only with people's misinformed views of them.
Hillary has been in favor of getting money out of politics for years, and has been in favor of a constitutional amendment overturning Citizens United for years, her positions on these things have nothing to do with Bernie.
And he didn't invent the 50 state strategy by any means, and if Hillary picks a progressive running mate, it's not going to be because of Bernie, she's going to pick who she thinks will work best with her and be the best VP for America.
And regardless of what happens during Hillary's presidency, Democrats are not going to have this country for a generation. Yes, the demographics are trending very favorably for liberals, but there will obviously be a republican president again, maybe as soon as 2020 or 2024, people will inevitably want a change, politics always swings on a pendulum.
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You don't get it. The PARTY wants this change. Bernie was just the one to call it out. And yes it'll be hard for Republicans to win if they don't change their platform or rhetoric. And by generation, I was really talking about the Supreme Court and state legislators.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
He's still an option but she wants someone with experience as VP. Warren having 0 foreign policy experience is bad enough.
Castro has even less experience than her, like his resume is so barren and bare that she dare wouldn't choose him even if he's still being vetted
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You use this like this changes much. Most elected presidents don't have foreign policy experience, Obama being one of them. You learn once in office, and Hillary will teach her some things.
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Originally posted by PicklePower
How likely is it that Hillary will win these states?
Michigan
Wisconsin
Pennsylvania
Colorado
Florida
Ohio
Virginia
North Carolina
New Hampshire
Nevada
Georgia
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100% all of these except NC and Georgia where it is 60/40 for the former, 50/50 for the latter.
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Trump's speech was full of lies and false quotes and evidence. For example, his false numbers on the amount of Syrian refugees Hillary wants to admit into the country. Also the Secret Service comments.
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Originally posted by Citrus
Was it a #MascOnly campaign?
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Originally posted by King Maxx
You don't get it. The PARTY wants this change. Bernie was just the one to call it out. And yes it'll be hard for Republicans to win if they don't change their platform or rhetoric. And by generation, I was really talking about the Supreme Court and state legislators.
You use this like this changes much. Most elected presidents don't have foreign policy experience, Obama being one of them. You learn once in office, and Hillary will teach her some things.
100% all of these except NC and Georgia where it is 60/40 for the former, 50/50 for the latter.
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Trump's speech was full of lies and false quotes and evidence. For example, his false numbers on the amount of Syrian refugees Hillary wants to admit into the country. Also the Secret Service comments.
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It does make a difference. She isn't prepared for the role of president should something happen to Clinton. elected and former officials also happen to agree
You can agree to like Warren, that's more than fine she's not bad. But to say having no foreign policy experience doesn't matter is not okay. That's literally part of the president's job and if she doesn't have the chops then she is unqualified in that area. It's why I don't think she's the best fit
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Originally posted by MillionLights
I swear if she doesn't pick Tim Kaine  |
Ew
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Originally posted by RatedG²
It does make a difference. She isn't prepared for the role of president should something happen to Clinton. elected and former officials also happen to agree
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Which "elected and former officials" apart from Ed Rendell (  ) ?
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
It does make a difference. She isn't prepared for the role of president should something happen to Clinton. elected and former officials also happen to agree
You can agree to like Warren, that's more than fine she's not bad. But to say having no foreign policy experience doesn't matter is not okay. That's literally part of the president's job and if she doesn't have the chops then she is unqualified in that area. It's why I don't think she's the best fit
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That's YOUR opinion. And I didn't say she didn't have knowledge on foreign policy. I said it isn't important to be experienced in the field. Hillary had basic knowledge and learned more being SOS. Obama didn't know much, and learned from his advisers and cabinet members.
Bill has little experience and still beat Bush Sr. and learned while POTUS. Bernie didn't know much either, and we were all fine with him being POTUS if not for Hillary.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
That's YOUR opinion. |
Having no foreign policy experience is my opinion?
That's not an opinion.
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Wait so you actually think foreign policy isn't important in the field of the presidency? 
Then I guess we're done with that one because I wholeheartedly disagree.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Having no foreign policy experience is my opinion?
That's not an opinion.
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Wait so you actually think foreign policy isn't important in the field of the presidency?
Then I guess we're done with that one because I wholeheartedly disagree. |
You are putting words into my mouth, and I don't appreciate it. 
Most POTUS were Senators or Governors b4 taking their position. Few little had foreign policy experience AS THEIR PROFESSION. No one said she or anyone else were clueless to the fact. Hillary is weaker on the economy. Should be not be running? Exactly.
And yes you thinking she doesn't qualify for VP because of her "so called" lack of foreign policy experience is your opinion. We happen to disagree with you that she will be a good president.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
It does make a difference. She isn't prepared for the role of president should something happen to Clinton. elected and former officials also happen to agree
You can agree to like Warren, that's more than fine she's not bad. But to say having no foreign policy experience doesn't matter is not okay. That's literally part of the president's job and if she doesn't have the chops then she is unqualified in that area. It's why I don't think she's the best fit
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Clinton: Warren is 'qualified' to be my VP
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"I have the highest regard for Sen. Warren. I think she is an incredible public servant, eminently qualified for any role."
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Having no foreign policy experience is my opinion?
That's not an opinion.
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Yes, it is.
Warren, as a member of the US SENATE has access to information/intelligence (including foreign matters) you don't know about. Just because she's not on the Senate Armed Services/Foreign Relations Committee, doesn't mean she has no foreign policy experience/insight. Would some photo ops of a troop/Israel visit satisfy you? 
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Originally posted by King Maxx
You are putting words into my mouth, and I don't appreciate it.
Most POTUS were Senators or Governors b4 taking their position. Few little had foreign policy experience AS THEIR PROFESSION. No one said she or anyone else were clueless to the fact. Hillary is weaker on the economy. Should be not be running? Exactly.
And yes you thinking she doesn't qualify for VP because of her "so called" lack of foreign policy experience is your opinion. We happen to disagree with you that she will be a good president. |
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I said it isn't important to be experienced in the field..
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I'm not putting words in your mouth. It's right there
And no most of the other candidates running for president had more foreign policy experience than her. She traveled outside the US for the first time ever as a senator in 2014, before that she was one of four sitting senators never to do that. Her resume on that is LOUSY.
You don't need to be an expert in every field but you need to have something in every aspect. She has nothing in foreign policy. Hillary may very well pick her though so don't fret
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Originally posted by Akil
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Bite me 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
It does make a difference. She isn't prepared for the role of president should something happen to Clinton. elected and former officials also happen to agree
You can agree to like Warren, that's more than fine she's not bad. But to say having no foreign policy experience doesn't matter is not okay. That's literally part of the president's job and if she doesn't have the chops then she is unqualified in that area. It's why I don't think she's the best fit
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Most presidents have 0 foreign policy experience.
Hillary doesn't have to worry about that in this case. Also if Warren has to become president, she'd obviously do what every other president in history has done and pick a VP with foreign policy experience.
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Originally posted by Mike91
Most presidents have 0 foreign policy experience.
Hillary doesn't have to worry about that in this case. Also if Warren has to become president, she'd obviously do what every other president in history has done and pick a VP with foreign policy experience. |
Well most have more than Lizzy
LET ME LIVE!
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Bite me
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by MillionLights
I swear if she doesn't pick Tim Kaine |
The worst pick ever. However it means Liz can stay in Senate and be useful.
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If you dislike her as a VP or POTUS, then say that. But don't use the foreign policy part to justify that when there is proof that a lot of presidents didn't either. She has KNOWLEDGE. But maybe not EXPERIENCE. That is the difference. Obama, Bernie, etc. did not have the latter but had the former.
That is why we have Generals, SOS, SOD, State Department, FBI, etc. for that. And as Mike said, all Elizabeth has to do is pick a VP who does have that experience.
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Um everyone knows I don't want her as VP, that's not news  . And no matter how many times you say it, Warren's FP credentials are as credible as Sarah Palin's. That's saying something. And that's the reason why I don't think she's the best fit. Not every president has to be an expert but she truly has nothing to her name with regard to foreign policy.
You have those positions sure but they're all run by the president who needs to know what he or she is doing.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Um everyone knows I don't want her as VP, that's not news . And no matter how many times you say it, Warren's FP credentials are as credible as Sarah Palin's. That's saying something. And that's the reason why I don't think she's the best fit. Not every president has to be an expert but she truly has nothing to her name with regard to foreign policy.
You have those positions sure but they're all run by the president who needs to know what he or she is doing. |
She'll learn so whatever. 
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Originally posted by King Maxx
She'll learn so whatever. |
If Hillary chooses her I hope so
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