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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
I was referring to the idea of expanding the government's power and the concerns doing such, and then you talked about making sure we elect the right people... So I countered by saying the people could very easily get it wrong... Don't see how that doesn't fit our conversation.
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The idea is to elect the ones who most likely won't get it wrong.  You can't predict the future, but you can definitely check out a platform, a past record, get into a discussion etc. It's not like someone will vote Trump and then get surprised that his Mexican neighbor got deported.
Sure, the people whom you put your trust into can still get it wrong, but it's not like there aren't resources to help you know whom to trust more to expand the government. (In my case, politicians like Elizabeth Warren, Yvette Clarke, Mike Honda, Bernie Sanders seal the deal).
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
President Obama's campaign never felt socialist on this level. 
After all, unlike Bernie Sanders, President Obama is a member of the Democratic Party. |
Bernie Sanders is a member of the Democratic Party.
You do realize there are visitors on this thread, right? Please stop spreading false statements.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
The idea is to elect the ones who most likely won't get it wrong. You can't predict the future, but you can definitely check out a platform, a past record, get into a discussion etc. It's not like someone will vote Trump and then get surprised that his Mexican neighbor got deported.
Sure, the people whom you put your trust into can still get it wrong, but it's not like there aren't resources to help you know whom to trust more to expand the government. (In my case, politicians like Elizabeth Warren, Yvette Clarke, Mike Honda, Bernie Sanders seal the deal). |
You don't get what I'm trying to say...
If we expand the government's power and influence and then, for some reason, a Trump is elected in the future, then they have more power to cause serious damage. Our system, right now, is incredibly effective at not allowing a dictatorship from taking place. But, to bring it to a move imaginable example, let's say we invest a lot of our programs into the federal government—healthcare, education, etc. We're extremely reliant and trusting in the federal government. And then there's a major disagreement and the federal government is shut down like it was a few years ago.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Mike91
I still don't think most people understand his brand of socialism. It's not about doing away with capitalism and only having socialism. It's about adopting more socialist policies such as healthcare, free education, etc and having a more level playing field for everyone.
You'd have to be a special kind of dumb to not realize the economy cannot continue to have all of it's wealth go to the top. The reason why the economy hasn't grown as much as it should have is because in order to rebuild the economy, people need to spend money and most people don't have it to spend. You can suggest tax cuts, etc but that's still taking money away from the economy at the end of the day and taxes ares already lower than they should be.
We need money flowing into the economy and the way to start is to start making the rich pay more. Yes, they absolutely should pay more. A lot of them pay zero taxes. If nothing happens and the wealth gap continues to be ignored, you'll be looking at another depression eventually and you will see people begin to rise up.
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But then you agree with Hillary's policies  This is basically Hillary's campaign.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
President Obama's campaign never felt socialist on this level.
After all, unlike Bernie Sanders, President Obama is a member of the Democratic Party. |
Oh, you're a troll. Good to know.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
They're nothing alike |
They both have the candidate working directly with the voters. Bernie is one of "us," Obama is apart of the "we"
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Bernie Sanders is a member of the Democratic Party.
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He became a member in November 2015, after he had already been campaigning for months. And has said a few times he only became a Democrat so he could run under their party and get their resources. He's not a Democrat.
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Congrats to Bernie on his quick little buzz wins.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Mike91
I still don't think most people understand his brand of socialism. It's not about doing away with capitalism and only having socialism. It's about adopting more socialist policies such as healthcare, free education, etc and having a more level playing field for everyone.
You'd have to be a special kind of dumb to not realize the economy cannot continue to have all of it's wealth go to the top. The reason why the economy hasn't grown as much as it should have is because in order to rebuild the economy, people need to spend money and most people don't have it to spend. You can suggest tax cuts, etc but that's still taking money away from the economy at the end of the day and taxes ares already lower than they should be.
We need money flowing into the economy and the way to start is to start making the rich pay more. Yes, they absolutely should pay more. A lot of them pay zero taxes. If nothing happens and the wealth gap continues to be ignored, you'll be looking at another depression eventually and you will see people begin to rise up.
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This is Hillary's campaign...
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Bernie Sanders is a Democrat.
You guys can argue about it forever but at this moment in time, he is a Democrat.
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I just noticed that Trump is not in the OP.
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With this many people in here you'd think its a primary day lol
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Marvin
Bernie Sanders is a Democrat.
You guys can argue about it forever but at this moment in time, he is a Democrat.
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No one's denying that. But he doesn't like to associate with the Democratic Party... So, fine, he's technically a Democrat, he's just not a very good one. Better?
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What will be the excuse Bernie Supporters will have when in 2 months Hillary beats Bernie in delegates and votes? Who will they blame?
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Marvin
Bernie Sanders is a Democrat.
You guys can argue about it forever but at this moment in time, he is a Democrat.
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He's a Democrat of circumstance. He's not a true Democrat. Everyone and their uncle knows that he's not.
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
No one's denying that. But he doesn't like to associate with the Democratic Party... So, fine, he's technically a Democrat, he's just not a very good one. Better?
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Sure, although that's subjective. I think he's a great Democrat.
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Originally posted by TheLastChord
What will be the excuse Bernie Supporters will have when in 2 months Hillary beats Bernie in delegates and votes? Who will they blame?
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I got this one!!! Corporate media, "the system," the establishment, and Hillary Clinton cheating.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Bloo
You don't get what I'm trying to say...
If we expand the government's power and influnce and then, for some reason, a Trump is elected in the future, then they have more power to cause serious damage. Our system, right now, is incredibly effective at not allowing a dictatorship from taking place. But, to bring it to a move imaginable example, let's say we invest a lot of our programs into the federal government—healthcare, education, etc. We're extremely reliant and trusting in the federal government. And then there's a major disagreement and the federal government is shut down like it was a few years ago. |
That's why people don't serve for life. You get to learn from your mistakes and elect whoever is right to serve in a given position.
I wasn't saying fundamentally shift the role of the government, but EXPAND its role to protect the prosperity of its people. There are checks and balances, there's an entire Congress firewall, a Trump presidency, for example, wouldn't mean it's even slightly over or that the governmental expansion has come to a backfiring status.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
But then you agree with Hillary's policies This is basically Hillary's campaign. |
Free education, universal healthcare, etc are NOT Hillary's campaign. And don't sit here and tell me Hillary will be tough on Wall St. (the main source of the problem) considering the money she takes from them.
edit: Also technically the entire democratic party supports socialists policies and putting more of them into place. Only difference is that Bernie isn't afraid to admit it.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Marvin
Sure, although that's subjective. I think he's a great Democrat.
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Suing the Democratic party, talking about how corrupt they are, only becoming one to be eligible for primary votes, to want them to change entirely when you're a newcomer, to complain about their super delegate system and then flip to saying you need them to win the nomination and you're banking on them, raising practically no money to help democrats get into positions across the country, and more making him a bad Democrat.
Even if you think he's a great Democrat, he's unquestionably failing in comparison to Hillary.
You can think he's a wonderful progressive, liberal, politician, visionary, whatever. But he is not a good Democrat by any rational measure.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Is it a secret that Bernie isn't a democrat? Haven't we known that all along? He literally said he was running as a democrat just so he could have a platform to share his ideas. Even most democrats know Bernie is a socialist--why he can't win a general election.
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