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Discussion: Gaga didn't steal songwriting credits from Diane
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Composing is creating the melody, which is part of songwriting along with writting lyrics. Look at instrumental songs, songwriter is the one who created the melody, producer can be an entirely different person.
Producing = arranging, mixing and mastering the sound of already created melody/song. |
You are talking about a Pop song
Lady Gaga CHANGED the whole melody of the song (which means she WROTE) and added a whole orchestra.
Again, Gaga added Guitars, Violins, Drums and played the piano on the Song as well as co wrote some of the lyrics and PRODUCED it.
Gaga re composed the song in a whole different light. The song sounds NOTHING like what it did before. It's as simple.
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Originally posted by Mariano
You are talking about a Pop song
Lady Gaga CHANGED the whole melody of the song (which means she WROTE) and added a whole orchestra.
Again, Gaga added Guitars, Violins, Drums and played the piano on the Song as well as co wrote some of the lyrics and PRODUCED it.
Gaga re composed the song in a whole different light. The song sounds NOTHING like what it did before. It's as simple. |
I think he was just correcting the member who thought composing is part of the production of the song, which it is not. It is part of the songwriting process which is why Gaga got her nomination which is what he's saying
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Originally posted by Mariano
You are talking about a Pop song
Lady Gaga CHANGED the whole melody of the song (which means she WROTE) and added a whole orchestra.
Again, Gaga added Guitars, Violins, Drums and played the piano on the Song as well as co wrote some of the lyrics and PRODUCED it.
Gaga re composed the song in a whole different light. The song sounds NOTHING like what it did before. It's as simple. |
If she did compose the melody, she deserves a songwriting credit for it, because thats what it is. I have just said that Oscars dont acknowledge other contributions to song (like vocals or producing, adding instrumentation etc.) besides songwriting, and that its songwriting credit that includes composing the melody, not producing credit.
And it IS a pop song hun. In classical music, production doesnt even exist properly. Production in classical music is just mere sound engineering because the whole music is created by non electric instruments.
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Hasn't Beyonce has had demo's leak in which nothing was changed from the final version? I'm pretty sure I recall that happening during the I AM era...
Was it Smash Into You?
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I don't know - I don't listen to demos. I prefer finished products.
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
That's because songwriters who are involved in making Beyonce's songs claim she steals credits.
This is off-topic, though.  |
Whilst countless songwriters have said the opposite.
It's not really off topic as it relates well to this situation too. I'm speaking in defence of Gaga. There's more to song-writing than writing the words imo. If you contribute to the components of the song whether it's adding an ooh or aah then I believe you should get a credit.
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Originally posted by Green
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Beyoncé is dragged for the same and she didn't get a nomination for Listen even when she was listed as one of the songwriters. The bias  |
It's ATRL. Hypocrisy runs rife.
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All these pressed members! They can't handle Gaga's success!
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Originally posted by Bríseis
If she did compose the melody, she deserves a songwriting credit for it, because thats what it is. I have just said that Oscars dont acknowledge other contributions to song (like vocals or producing, adding instrumentation etc.) besides songwriting, and that its songwriting credit that includes composing the melody, not producing credit.
And it IS a pop song hun. In classical music, production doesnt even exist properly. Production in classical music is just mere sound engineering because the whole music is created by non electric instruments.
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Yeah I meant that you are talking about a dance/pop song. Because when it comes to this song, the production of it is very closely linked with the composition.
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The monsters have been trashing Katy for her lyrics for the longest time and suddenly lyrics is not everything 
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Originally posted by jeffreyy
The monsters have been trashing Katy for her lyrics for the longest time and suddenly lyrics is not everything |
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Originally posted by 2014
So ATRL is wrong once again??  |
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Composing is creating the melody, which is part of songwriting along with writting lyrics. Look at instrumental songs, songwriter is the one who created the melody, producer can be an entirely different person.
Producing = arranging, mixing and mastering the sound of already created melody/song.
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You literally get writing credits for composing and producing 
How are y'all so dense
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
You literally get writing credits for composing and producing
How are y'all so dense |
not to the academy, no
best example is diane's own nominated song Grateful (2014)
The Arcade produced it, yet only D got nominated because she WROTE it, and they didn't
stop this "producing = songwriting credits" nonsense
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
not to the academy, no
best example is diane's own nominated song Grateful (2014)
The Arcade produced it, yet only D got nominated because she WROTE it, and they didn't
stop this "producing = songwriting credits" nonsense
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Lmao you are really trying it sis, how many times does it need to be explained to you
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The performers of a song are not credited with the Academy Award unless they contributed either to music, lyrics or both in their own right.
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The Arcade were not the performers of the song even though they produced it, Gaga was the performer and she produced it which is why she is credited in the nomination. You want to try anything else?
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
not to the academy, no
best example is diane's own nominated song Grateful (2014)
The Arcade produced it, yet only D got nominated because she WROTE it, and they didn't
stop this "producing = songwriting credits" nonsense
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 you don't know what you are talking about
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Originally posted by CakeLike
Lmao you are really trying it sis, how many times does it need to be explained to you
The Arcade were not the performers of the song even though they produced it, Gaga was the performer and she produced it which is why she is credited in the nomination. You want to try anything else?
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that's not how it works sweetie 
so being a performer + producing = oscar nomination for songwriting?
i mean what did i expect 
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
that's not how it works sweetie
so being a performer + producing = oscar nomination for songwriting?
i mean what did i expect |
According to the oscars yes that is how it works. You obviously didn't expect facts
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It's embarrassing how little ATRLers know about production. Production is not songwriting. Production is a credit for any sort of contribution that essentially makes the recorded song exist at all. Traditionally in pop music this means paying for studio time, hiring session musicians, coaching vocal performance, and recording while the singer is in the booth. Modern pop music is mostly electronic which means that the only recording that needs to be done is the vocals, therefore people like Max Martin take production credits for creating the beat (since this includes compositional elements, they also take songwriting credit). "TIHTY" is produced the old fashioned way, which means that Gaga's production credit comes by way of paying for the studio time and getting the orchestra and other musicians to play.
With that being said her name is on the songwriting credits so obviously she made some sort of contribution to the music and/or lyrics. Linda even said there's one lyrical difference and if Gaga was responsible for it then that alone makes her a writer. If she made changes to the melody as well which Diane has said that also makes her a writer.
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Originally posted by jeffreyy
The monsters have been trashing Katy for her lyrics for the longest time and suddenly lyrics is not everything |
1) Why are you bringing into this?
2) Literally NO ONE said "lyrics are not everything".
Stop baiting.
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
that's not how it works sweetie
so being a performer + producing = oscar nomination for songwriting?
i mean what did i expect |
LADY GAGA got her OSCAR nomination because of how heavily she was involved in composing the song to what it is right now compared to what it was basing on the demo.
Composers and songwriters get the writers credit because it is part of the songwriting proceess which is why the ACADEMY decided to nominate LADY GAGA alongside Diane, ultraviolento 
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Originally posted by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
1) Why are you bringing into this?
2) Literally NO ONE said "lyrics are not everything".
Stop baiting.
LADY GAGA got her OSCAR nomination because of how heavily she was involved in composing the song to what it is right now compared to what it was basing on the demo.
Composers and songwriters get the writers credit because it is part of the songwriting proceess which is why the ACADEMY decided to nominate LADY GAGA alongside Diane, ultraviolento |
thanks for stating the obvious, prince high
that's not the point i made, though. which was: producing =\= songwriting, so either read again or you can leave this conversation
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Maybe some of you should write a letter to the academy detailing Gaga's fraudery. I'm sure they'll comply and rescind her nomination at once.
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Originally posted by ultraviolento
that's not how it works sweetie
so being a performer + producing = oscar nomination for songwriting?
i mean what did i expect |
Composing = writing notes, chords and melodies = songwriting Ignorant
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