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Celeb News: Taylor explains Apple Music decision
Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Lovato
What do you mean by wait a year? As in, make people sign up and start paying immediately and then offer trials after a year? You do realize that would just make people wait and/or just not use AM entirely? That's definitely not good for Apple or artists, really.
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That isn't true. Most Apple Music's initial users are people who are early adopters and will support Apple implicitly and without question. No one is going to wait if what they really want is a streaming solution from Apple. What it would do is smooth out the hit that artists would take.
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Member Since: 8/12/2012
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Originally posted by Lovato
He's missing the point because, as I said, not everyone is going to sign up this summer which is actually what you reiterated now but NOT what he said. Again, let me quote him:
This. Assuming one trial period, common to everyone. He is missing the point I stated.
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Yep, also doesn't have Sportify a charge free service?
Many students who start to work in Germany are working for free for half a year, we call it Praktikum.
So economically speaking,Germany is the best in the world and to be honest artists in general are often some knd of stupid, wouldn't trust them on money issues.
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Member Since: 9/12/2011
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Originally posted by Jaspurr
That doesn't make any sense. People would just keep making new accounts every 3 month if that was the case.
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Isn't that what people do with Spotify already? lol
It does make sense. What if I totally missed AM in the summer because I was busy or didn't care and signed up in October? Should I not have the right to a free trial, assuming I'm an honest customer?
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Member Since: 9/12/2011
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Originally posted by Adonis
That isn't true. Most Apple Music's initial users are people who are early adopters and will support Apple implicitly and without question. No one is going to wait if what they really want is a streaming solution from Apple. What it would do is smooth out the hit that artists would take.
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I can assure you that if AM was paid from the get-go you would not have many people signing up for AM, regardless of whether they are fans or not.
Spotify offers trials, Rdio, Deezer, etc. Even Tidal offers trials. The competition is way too fierce for them to make you pay immediately. Maybe if this were 2010. But in 2015, no chance.
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Member Since: 4/21/2011
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
It helps for exposure, sure, but they aren't making any money for it and are struggling. Streaming services like this are completely different from radio, because streaming services like this are replacing purchasing music for some people....its the same layout as having a music library that you purchased, but you didn't.
New artists can't afford to leave it off streaming because that's the way people find music nowadays, but its unfair that they aren't getting paid for it. That's what Taylor is saying, she has a problem with the fact that users get a 3 month trial period where all of their use is not paying the artists for their work.
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That's subjective and barely differentiates it from radio. I'm willing to bet that there are thousands of streaming users who have discovered an artist through streaming and then went on to pay to see them live or buy their album.
and apple isn't responsible for paying artists, labels are. apple is running a service sharing music that they paid the rights for and will pay for again, what labels do with that compensation is the real issue.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Fearless
and apple isn't responsible for paying artists, labels are. apple is running a service sharing music that they paid the rights for and will pay for again, what labels do with that compensation is the real issue.
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This is false. Artists are paid by Apple, not the label.
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One of the many reasons why I respect Taylor Swift is the fact she is literally one of the only people in the mainstream industry who isn't a label puppet. Amen to everything she said, literally don't need to add anything.
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Truly the Lord  For some haters, this open letter needs to be read one more time, even though it only uses VERY SIMPLE words, or just change your hate this time? You can always find other things to hate, you know, it's Taylor Swift 
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Originally posted by kevinnyc
Truly the Lord For some haters, this open letter needs to be read one more time, even though it only uses VERY SIMPLE words, or just change your hate this time? You can always find other things to hate, you know, it's Taylor Swift |
Since when has disagreeing with what she said equate to hate? Many people in this thread disagree, but not hate.
Of course, there are the rest...but oh well.
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Originally posted by Lovato
I can assure you that if AM was paid from the get-go you would not have many people signing up for AM, regardless of whether they are fans or not.
Spotify offers trials, Rdio, Deezer, etc. Even Tidal offers trials. The competition is way too fierce for them to make you pay immediately. Maybe if this were 2010. But in 2015, no chance.
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You don't understand people who want a streaming solution from Apple don't care about what the others are offering. That is what I am saying. Apple has enough of those users that they could probably finance the rest. iTunes didn't start out as a free trail. Neither should streaming regardless of what the others are doing. I get it the engineering and infrastructure costs money but others had to invest at their own expense and Apple will too.
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Member Since: 11/29/2006
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I tried to find a reason to hate her for this decision but I can't, she dragged Apple flawlessly 
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We don’t ask you for free iPhones. Please don’t ask us to provide you with our music for no compensation.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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It's very simple: FANS and ARTISTS
TIDAL did it wrong with $20 which fans hate.
SPOTIFY's problem is free-streaming which artists hate.
APPLE was capable and big enough to win them both, but they didn't.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Lovato
Isn't that what people do with Spotify already? lol
It does make sense. What if I totally missed AM in the summer because I was busy or didn't care and signed up in October? Should I not have the right to a free trial, assuming I'm an honest customer?
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Spotify is a freemium service though, you can create as many accounts as you want since you don't have to pay anything at the end of the day. Apple Music will be not. I think the 3 months trial is only for the first 3 months.
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Member Since: 8/13/2012
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I think this could be the platform that gets it right.
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Welp, goodbye Tidal!
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Originally posted by Adonis;28529853[B
]You don't understand people who want a streaming solution from Apple don't care about what the others are offering. [/B]That is what I am saying. Apple has enough of those users that they could probably finance the rest. iTunes didn't start out as a free trail. Neither should streaming regardless of what the others are doing. I get it the engineering and infrastructure costs money but others had to invest at their own expense and Apple will too.
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Okay, but iTunes was a digital platform that allowed people to buy music. It's obvious there would be no free trial because the whole point is for you to buy things. You don't go to Target and ask for a free trial/sample of one of their products, right? You just buy it.
However, when it comes to getting people to sign up for a membership, subscription, whatever, a free trial is the best way to get people hooked. Gym memberships typically offer a month, music 1-3 months, Netflix offers a month, etc...because those are long-term commitments that you tend to make.
Now, regarding your statement I bolded, I ask you this: how many people do you think will care that others don't exist? The way I see it, it's just another streaming platform with some more features that Spotify. But it's still, essentially, a streaming service. It's not like the difference between buying an iPhone or a Galaxy phone, where there are noticeable differences. If I listen to the same track on two different platforms, the sound will probably be the exact same. And for the vast majority of people who aren't that diehard, they won't care.
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Member Since: 9/12/2011
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Originally posted by kevinnyc
It's very simple: FANS and ARTISTS
TIDAL did it wrong with $20 which fans hate.
SPOTIFY's problem is free-streaming which artists hate.
APPLE was capable and big enough to win them both, but they didn't.
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Wait wait wait...was, didn't? Why are you talking like we're in 2017 and Apple Music has been out for 2 years?
It hasn't even launched.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Originally posted by mathekr
I agree with her that Apple is wrong for this 3 month thing. But can she stop with this "I'm doing it for the little artists"? Labels are the ones that agreed with this rule and are the ones that make big money off music sales and streaming. Fight the real enemy.
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This.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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It baffles me that people use these services still. Like its soooo easy to get on a torent and get a full album before its even released and have it forever. Im not paying for something i can easily get for free in 2 minutes.
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Member Since: 9/12/2011
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Originally posted by Jaspurr
Spotify is a freemium service though, you can create as many accounts as you want since you don't have to pay anything at the end of the day. Apple Music will be not. I think the 3 months trial is only for the first 3 months.
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But you get ads. And exploiting Spotify's Premium 3 month trial is pretty easy anyway, so many people who know how end up doing it to avoid those horrible ads.
They'll probably do the same with AM.
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