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News: Black woman fired from zoo for racist(?) fb post
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Originally posted by Doc
Right.
Sis is more than likely reacting to the racially charged rude behavior she receives from privileged middle-aged White folk. It's not like that's an uncommon experience in the service industry for African Americans. I feel for her.
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It's funnt because this is probably true 
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Originally posted by Blue Jeans
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Oh my god, you'd think with the amount of race threads that get made, that you people would get a grip, open your minds, and understand that the 5 word dictionary definition, while competent enough to explain it to someone who hasn't heard the word, is NOT sufficient enough to describe the full sociological complexities of the term "racism".
http://sociology.about.com/od/R_Index/fl/Racism.htm
Sociology is IMPORTANT. Educate yourselves instead of clinging to a 5 word definition so you can feel oppressed too.
Jesus be a FENCE.
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Originally posted by Buddy
. You don't get a free pass because your race is hated and generalized more. NO ONE gets a free pass to be a little close minded asshole to a whole race of people.
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Exactly. The world will never completely move forward if ALL sides don't understand this.
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Originally posted by Doc
Oh my god, you'd think with the amount of race threads that get made, that you people would get a grip, open your minds, and understand that the 5 word dictionary definition, while competent enough to explain it to someone who hasn't heard the word, is NOT sufficient enough to describe the full sociological complexities of the term "racism".
http://sociology.about.com/od/R_Index/fl/Racism.htm
Sociology is IMPORTANT. Educate yourselves instead of clinging to a 5 word definition so you can feel oppressed too.
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Sorry DOC, that is an opinion. And it's a minority one. It's not even universally accepted in sociology, it's just one theory, one point of view, it's not something sociologists all agree on. You can't say people are wrong because they're not using your definition.
When the word first came out the definition was as most people use it. And most people still use it that way. So linguistically that "common" definition is quite correct.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Sorry DOC, that is an opinion. And it's a minority one. It's not even universally accepted in sociology, it's just one theory, one point of view, it's not something sociologists all agree on. You can't say people are wrong because they're not using your definition.
When the word first came out the definition was as most people use it. And most people still use it that way. So linguistically that "common" definition is quite correct.
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Find me one sociology textbook that disagrees. Link me to one sociology professor teaching otherwise.
You're literally making things up. 
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Originally posted by Doc
Find me one sociology textbook that disagrees. Link me to one sociology professor teaching otherwise.
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Too lazy. I've taken sociology, those professors literally make things up.
"Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of categorical privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities"."
I don't care what they have to say, they don't get to redefine such common words. The definition is in the Oxford English Dictionary and is supported by society's everyday usage. Therefore you can't say someone is "wrong" if they're using the normal definition.
And furthermore this sociological definition doesn't make sense. If black people can't be "racist" because it describes systemic privilege and discrimination, then white individuals can't be "racist" either, only society as a whole.
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Originally posted by Goosey
Too lazy. I've taken sociology, those professors literally make things up.
"Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of categorical privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities"."
I don't care what they have to say, they don't get to redefine such common words. The definition is in the Oxford English Dictionary and is supported by society's everyday usage. Therefore you can't say someone is "wrong" if they're using the normal definition.
And furthermore this sociological definition doesn't make sense. If black people can't be "racist" because it describes systemic privilege and discrimination, then white individuals can't be "racist" either, only society as a whole.
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Sis, you also claim to have taken Calculus and Physics but can't understand basic factoring lm;lkl I'm inclined to take everything you say with a grain of salt. 
You claim to taken sociology, but claim that the complete definition of racism is "a minority opinion." And then in the same breath dismiss everything sociologists say as "made up." Anyone that tries to discuss racism but refuses to acknowledge sociology, the study of human society, is more often than not just a racist troll. Your presence in this thread falls in line.
Also, individuals function as part of a structure in every society. Thus, you cannot have societal structure such as racism or sexism without individuals who perpetuate it. Again, basic sociology.
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Originally posted by Doc
Sis, you also claim to have taken Calculus and Physics but can't understand basic factoring lm;lkl I'm inclined to take everything you say with a grain of salt. |
I haven't used that stuff for quite a while so I forgot it. It has no real-world applications. Sue me.
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Originally posted by Doc
You claim to taken sociology, but claim that the complete definition of racism is "a minority opinion." And then in the same breath dismiss everything sociologists say as "made up." Anyone that tries to discuss racism but refuses to acknowledge sociology, the study of human society, is more often than not just a racist troll. Your presence in this thread falls in line. |
If you take linguistics they will have a different opinion. As I said, not only is it the dictionary definition but it's also the definition accepted by society at large. And don't imply I'm a racist troll. 
The definition doesn't even make sense linguistically. We already have words which can be combined to describe that. "Systemic racism."
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Originally posted by Doc
Also, individuals function as part of a structure in every society. Thus, you cannot have societal structure such as racism or sexism without individuals who perpetuate it. Again, basic sociology. |
If you take that view then you could claim most all white people are racist whether they know it or not
If you subscribe to this "sociological" definition then it follows that an individual can't be "racist". Maybe their act would be part of "racism" but the individual would only be committing "prejudice".
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Originally posted by Goosey
Too lazy. I've taken sociology, those professors literally make things up.
"Some sociologists have defined racism as a system of categorical privilege. In Portraits of White Racism, David Wellman defined racism as "culturally sanctioned beliefs, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities"."
I don't care what they have to say, they don't get to redefine such common words. The definition is in the Oxford English Dictionary and is supported by society's everyday usage. Therefore you can't say someone is "wrong" if they're using the normal definition.
And furthermore this sociological definition doesn't make sense. If black people can't be "racist" because it describes systemic privilege and discrimination, then white individuals can't be "racist" either, only society as a whole.
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exactly
"White American" is not a race, "white" is
"White" people do not only exist in the US. Eastern Europeans, Russians are also "white people" the same way, and god knows they are by far less privileged than African-Americans.
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Originally posted by Goosey
If you take linguistics they will have a different opinion. As I said, not only is it the dictionary definition but it's also the definition accepted by society at large. And don't imply I'm a racist troll. |
Who cares what linguists think about sociological concepts? You don't ask a biologist for his opinion on a history topic, and then credit his opinion higher than a historian's. 
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Originally posted by Goosey
The definition doesn't even make sense linguistically. We already have words which can be combined to describe that. "Systemic racism."
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Systematic racism is one of the forms that racism takes. Why do you guys refuse to educate yourselves?  Extended Definition
It is important to recognize that racism manifests in a variety of forms and styles in today’s world. Forms of racism include the following:- Representational: depictions of essentialized racial stereotypes are common in popular culture and media, like the tendency to cast people of color as criminals and as victims of crime, or as background characters rather than leads, in film and television; also common are racial caricatures that are racist in their representations, like “mascots” for the Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves, and the Washington R******* (name redacted because it is a racial slur).
- Ideological: racism is manifest in world views, beliefs and common sense ways of thinking that are premised on essentialist notions of racial categories, and the idea that white or light skinned people are superior, in a variety of ways, to dark skinned people. Historically, ideological racism supported and justified the building of European colonial empires and U.S. imperialism through unjust acquisition of land, people, and resources around the world. Today, some common ideological forms of racism include the belief that black women are sexually promiscuous, that Latina women are “fiery” or “hot tempered,” and that black men and boys are criminally oriented.
- Discursive: racism is often expressed linguistically, in the discourse we use to talk about the world and people in it, and manifests in racial slurs and hate speech, and in code words that have racialized meanings embedded in them, like “ghetto,” “thug,” or “gansta.”
- Interactional: racism takes an interactional form such as a white woman crossing a street to avoid walking past a black or Latino man, a person of color being verbally or physically assaulted because of their race, or when, someone assumes a person of color working at an establishment to be a low-level employee, though they might be a manager, executive, or owner.
- Institutional: racism can take institutional form in the way policies and laws are crafted and put into practice, such as the decades-long set of policing and legal policies known as “The War on Drugs,” which has disproportionately targeted neighborhoods and communities that are composed predominantly of people of color, New York City’s Stop-N-Frisk policy that overwhelmingly targets black and Latino males, and educational tracking policies that funnel children of color into remedial classes and trades programs.
- Structural: racism takes structural form in the ongoing, historical, and longterm reproduction of the racialized structure of our society through a combination of all of the above forms. Structural racism manifests in widespread racial segregation and stratification, recurrent displacement of people of color from neighborhoods that go through processes of gentrification, and the overwhelming burden of environmental pollution born by people of color given its proximity to their communities.
- Systemic: racism within the U.S. can be described as systemic because the country was founded on racist beliefs with racist policies and practices, and because that legacy lives today in the racism that courses throughout the entirety of our social system.
http://sociology.about.com/od/R_Index/fl/Racism.htm
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Originally posted by Goosey
If you take that view then you could claim most all white people are racist whether they know it or not |
Due to historical racism, all White people have White privilege. Those who choose to ignore their privilege and actively perpetuate racism are racists. That doesn't mean that there aren't White people who acknowledge their privilege and refrain from perpetuating racism. Those White people are not racist.
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Originally posted by Goosey
If you subscribe to this "sociological" definition then it follows that an individual can't be "racist". Maybe their act would be part of "racism" but the individual would only be committing "prejudice".
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The way y'all will say anything just to avoid being called racist.
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Originally posted by NX127
exactly
"White American" is not a race, "white" is
"White" people do not only exist in the US. Eastern Europeans, Russians are also "white people" the same way, and god knows they are by far less privileged than African-Americans.
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Just about the stupidest thing I've read on this site.
I'm not even going to engage with such levels of ignorance
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Originally posted by Doc
Just about the stupidest thing I've read on this site.
I'm not even going to engage with such levels of ignorance
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but I didn't ask "you" to "engage with" anything .. 
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Originally posted by NX127
exactly
"White American" is not a race, "white" is
"White" people do not only exist in the US. Eastern Europeans, Russians are also "white people" the same way, and god knows they are by far less privileged than African-Americans.
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I don't think you understand what is meant by privilege
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Originally posted by Doc
Just about the stupidest thing I've read on this site.
I'm not even going to engage with such levels of ignorance
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You should give yourself a WP for this vicious attack.
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I don't think you understand what is meant by privilege |
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You should give yourself a WP for this vicious attack.
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she got fired for this? well damn I guess the term freedom of expression just aint what it used to be! but death @ Poohpooh
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d, days later & Poohpooh still isn't racist
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Originally posted by Chucko
You should give yourself a WP for this vicious attack.
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Classism tbh 
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yassss fire her racist ass
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