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Actually it isnt the same thing, the other thread was ABOUT how you get music, people just only talked about the one way [pirating], not my problem. This is NEWS in the music world which is why I posted this article in the MUSIC NEWS FORUM! Get it?

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong...wrong, wrong, WRONG, wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.

Both threads have to do with the illegal downloading of music, thus, they SHOULD be in the same thread. Do you get it now?

Music isnt a RIGHT, you have to buy it. If you dont have enough money you can't have it! A lot of people can't afford a brand new car, doesnt mean you can go out and STEAL IT! A lot of times I go out and I am just buying one thing like milk and I want gum but I just dont have enough change on me, so I don't buy the gum. I don't steal it just because I dont have enough money and I would rather have milk in my fridge. Its common sense.

Apparently, my advice to let off of the gas pedal a bit went unnoticed, so I'm going to assume now that you are a troll.

EDIT: And I just now noticed that he "left the thread". Bye!

Okay, on a more serious note...

Originally posted by bobbymfw

When times are hard on money, you're supposed to go without, cut out the luxuries and focus on the necessities. Music is not a necessity, and you are not owed it. Stealing is not the answer because then someone else bears that burden of expense. So your logic then justifies looting? Where do you draw the line? It's this selfish code of ethics that's got our country in a recession right now. I'm not saying the music industry doesn't deserve some of the blame, but I don't understand your logic at all. In the 90's, if we were going through a recession, it never would have occurred to you to walk into a CD store and steal CDs because you knew you'd most likely get caught, but with the advent of the internet suddenly now you feel it's okay because it's almost guaranteed you'll get away with it. That really says a lot about your integrity. Character is who you are when no one's looking, remember.

...it's because I don't have any freaking money. That's my logic. If it's really that hard to understand, then, honestly, I don't even know what else to tell you, because you will never completely understand. Is it a 100% justifiable defense? No, not really. But at least I'll admit it.

On a semi-unrelated note, let me pose you this problem solving question: Suppose I stop downloading illegally. Now, I need to find a way to preview some songs before seeking out the album. I try to YouTube songs first. Oh, they're not there, because YouTube is cracking down hard on copyrighted material, to the point where GUITAR HERO VIDEOS are being muted. Okay, so MySpace, then. But wait! What if the songs aren't up on certain artists' MySpace? So THEN how am I supposed to preview music? The radio? Please. The only radio stations out here, other than country and gospel, are an older "new music" station and classic rock. That's it. So...the only option, then, would be to buy the album, without previewing it, to see if it's worth buying. And don't say Last.fm, because, while they do have full songs, they are nowhere near the point of MySpace.

The point I'm making is this: If YouTube's cracking down on copyrighted material, and MySpace doesn't have the songs, and I don't have a radio station to try out new music with, how am I supposed to know if an album is any good or not? How am I supposed to know whose music is great and whose music blows? And, just so you know, blind buys are not an option. This is what led me to buy Puff Daddy's Forever, the single worst purchase I have ever made in my life, and I refuse to blind buy again.

Let me make this clear, though: if I had money to throw around, money that could be spent on the luxuries of life, then yes, I would freaking buy albums all the time. I don't know if they would be CDs, though, because I really do think that CDs are a dying breed, and that digital downloading will be here for the foreseeable future. I would still download if I can't find the songs on MySpace or YouTube, to see if they are worth my money, but I would buy them, if they are good enough.

Oh, by the way...

"It's this selfish code of ethics that's got our country in a recession right now."

The stupidity of this country's leaders got this country into a recession, not their greediness, though I could see how greediness and stupidity go together.

[bobbymfw]

Originally posted by Red

...it's because I don't have any freaking money. That's my logic. If it's really that hard to understand, then, honestly, I don't even know what else to tell you, because you will never completely understand. Is it a 100% justifiable defense? No, not really. But at least I'll admit it.

On a semi-unrelated note, let me pose you this problem solving question: Suppose I stop downloading illegally. Now, I need to find a way to preview some songs before seeking out the album. I try to YouTube songs first. Oh, they're not there, because YouTube is cracking down hard on copyrighted material, to the point where GUITAR HERO VIDEOS are being muted. Okay, so MySpace, then. But wait! What if the songs aren't up on certain artists' MySpace? So THEN how am I supposed to preview music? The radio? Please. The only radio stations out here, other than country and gospel, are an older "new music" station and classic rock. That's it. So...the only option, then, would be to buy the album, without previewing it, to see if it's worth buying. And don't say Last.fm, because, while they do have full songs, they are nowhere near the point of MySpace.

The point I'm making is this: If YouTube's cracking down on copyrighted material, and MySpace doesn't have the songs, and I don't have a radio station to try out new music with, how am I supposed to know if an album is any good or not? How am I supposed to know whose music is great and whose music blows? And, just so you know, blind buys are not an option. This is what led me to buy Puff Daddy's Forever, the single worst purchase I have ever made in my life, and I refuse to blind buy again.

Let me make this clear, though: if I had money to throw around, money that could be spent on the luxuries of life, then yes, I would freaking buy albums all the time. I don't know if they would be CDs, though, because I really do think that CDs are a dying breed, and that digital downloading will be here for the foreseeable future. I would still download if I can't find the songs on MySpace or YouTube, to see if they are worth my money, but I would buy them, if they are good enough.

Oh, by the way...

"It's this selfish code of ethics that's got our country in a recession right now."

The stupidity of this country's leaders got this country into a recession, not their greediness, though I could see how greediness and stupidity go together.

LOL it's hard for me to have sympathy for somebody who bought Forever, you were basically asking to be let down. But we were all young once I s'pose, and I bought the Pokemon soundtrack so I shouldn't even be throwing stones.

Now all jokes aside, I don't think music is that hard to preview on the internet in a legal manner unless it's something fairly obscure. You can do a google search and find and listen to nearly anything, if the 30 second clips on Amazon or iTunes don't already suffice. I understand your point about not wanting to make blind buys but let's face it, nobody seemed to have this problem in the 90's. Yes, of course we can't revert back to the 90's, but with the advent of the internet we've really become spoiled, and lazy, and cheap...that's what a lot of this boils down to. The internet has given us an excuse to cop out on things and it invented a complaint that would never have occured to us a decade ago. Nobody I knew ever had any problem pursuing or exploring music then, and it's even easier and more affordable now and people are still balking.

Sure, there are some indie bands that might not be heard if it weren't for P2P networks and there are always those rare B-sides that you either can't find or can't afford (imports and physical singles are insanely expensive) so I totally see an upside to P2P networks but I really don't think the ends justify the means.

And my point about the recession is that there are people in every tier of the hierarchy right now stealing things without compensating the person that created them, so then it becomes someone else's responsibility to bear the burden of expense. Whether it's an elected official taking undeserved perks off taxpayers money or a teenager illegally downloading the new Oasis CD off the net, you're basically doing the same thing by taking something your are not rightfully entitled to. By shortchanging somebody you're basically perpetuating a chain reaction of that behavior.

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[soccer64]

Originally posted by JSparksMCarey

if its so ****** why do you download it ?!

first of all, who the feck do you think you are to judge other people? you're not some king. get down off your high horse.

second, i'm obviously not downloading the music that is ******. The music that is ****** is simply why a majority of people have lost faith in the record industry.

i download artists whose CD's arent even carried in physical stores. ever heard of artists who make music for the love of the art, and not for money? amazing concept, huh?

when you find me Animal Collective, Colourmusic, and Neutral Milk Hotel in any Wal-Mart, please, enlighten me. thanks.

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Originally posted by soccer64

first of all, who the feck do you think you are to judge other people? you're not some king. get down off your high horse.

second, i'm obviously not downloading the music that is ******. The music that is ****** is simply why a majority of people have lost faith in the record industry.

i download artists whose CD's arent even carried in physical stores. ever heard of artists who make music for the love of the art, and not for money? amazing concept, huh?

when you find me Animal Collective, Colourmusic, and Neutral Milk Hotel in any Wal-Mart, please, enlighten me. thanks.

But really...this topic is getting old. Our economy is falling apart, so of course sales will be down...duh.