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Discussion: Is Beyonce the blueprint for R&B like Madonna is for pop?
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Originally posted by Javan
Mary J Blie. But Beyoncé was the 1st to straight up become a white woman in the RnB genre.
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stop the nonsense. We have many other examples of this blasphemous statement (Whitney etc.) and it's not cool we are having a great debate without shade. 
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Anyway, I do disagree with the question posted in the title, but a lot of you are seriously undermining Beyonce in an effort to prove it. There's really no need to do so.
Beyonce is generally beyond comparison to people. It's like asking if MJ was the blueprint for R&B. He was much more than someone who made R&B music. The focus is not on that. He was a brilliant entertainer, a brilliant musician and great singer. Thus, he has influenced people from so many different genres. And that's why someone like Beyonce is adored from members of the R&B community, to popstars like Gaga, Rihanna and Katy, to torch song Divas like Adele, to legends like Celine, Diana, Stevie, Prince, MJ, Barbra, to rappers like Iggy and Nicki, etc.
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Originally posted by Monkey_Juice
AALIYAH Has been doing exotic since the Rock The boat + We Need A Resolution Video's.
It has already been done. |
Now wait. I wrote Aaliyah off too early.
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Originally posted by Javan
I think Beyonce has more influence in pop than she does RnB 
Brandy has more influence than Bey in RnB.
I would say the most influential is Brandy, R Kelly, Usher & Aaliyah (for soft spoken singers)
However Stevie Wonder is the true blueprint to the vocal aspect of RnB.
I don't see the appeal in Mary J. Blige. People only see "influence" in Kiesha Cole because they both screech off key and still sporting that hood get up. That's not influence, that's just coincidence. Musically MJB has made zero contributions to RnB. Her music has always been generic and never stood out. |
BYE.
My Life is hands down one of the best R&B albums of all times. I will not stand for this blasphemy.
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's between Whitney and Mariah, though I'd probably go with Mariah. The popularization of melismatic songs on radio, the rent-a-rappers, "We Belong Together" inspiring all of the big R&B jams of the mid-2000s (including "Irreplaceable)," etc. You can't really make it in R&B without using some of Mariah's moves.
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And this is more truthful because you can actually see the influence impact in the younger generation.
Whitney with the powerhouse vocals (not to say we have many or any that can come close)
the balladeer, the glamour, the essence of a diva not relying on bells and whistles
Mariah with the mainstream image, sass, songwriting, remixes galore, rent a rappers, Hip POP fusion.
We've seen Brandy and Aaliyah's influence now that time has passed.
It's early but we are starting to see some of Beyonce and Alicia's influences still Beyonce would be the blueprint for R&B and at best crossover R&B but not for pop.
It's like saying bette midler paula or Cyndi lauper was the blueprint for pop in the 80s and 90s while not really having long lasting dominance in their genres
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Originally posted by swissman
I was actually trying to think about which R&B and/or black females sported a blonde wig prior to Beyonce. Any options?
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Mary J Blige, T Boz, faith evans etc....
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Originally posted by Javan
I don't see the appeal in Mary J. Blige. People only see "influence" in Kiesha Cole because they both screech off key and still sporting that hood get up. That's not influence, that's just coincidence. Musically MJB has made zero contributions to RnB. Her music has always been generic and never stood out.
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Lawd  . The delusions, trolling and foolishness next sig most def 
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's between Whitney and Mariah, though I'd probably go with Mariah. The popularization of melismatic songs on radio, the rent-a-rappers, "We Belong Together" inspiring all of the big R&B jams of the mid-2000s (including "Irreplaceable)," etc. You can't really make it in R&B without using some of Mariah's moves.
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No. Except Mariah was considered adult contemporary/pop artist in the early years of her career, and didn't full crossover into R&B world until 1997. It would seem Mariah only popularized things that have already been done by other artists.
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Originally posted by slw84
stop the nonsense. We have many other examples of this blasphemous statement (Whitney etc.) and it's not cool we are having a great debate without shade. |
It wasn't shade. You know what I meant  I don't think Whitney counts
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No.
Beyoncé is the blueprint for human beings.
/endthread
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Originally posted by KangBey
Bey is the blueprint for R&B and Pop tbh. Bey has touring receipts not far behind the Queen of Pop Madonna, who has been in the industry for over 30yrs. Bey is the 3rd highest tour grossing female ever, no other R&B artist was even in the top 10 of highest grossing female tours. Everyone from Adele, Rih, Selena Gomez, Miley, Gaga, Ciara etc has named her as an influence. Bey has influenced Adele, who is the most successful artist of her generation(Rih, Katy and Gaga) and that speaks volumes to her overall impact.
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how is adele influenced by bey? her music? I don't think so, her style? Bey doesn't sit in a chair with such conservative dresses.
Don't mistake admiration and inspiration with influence,if adele or anyone else was really influenced by bey then she wouldn't need to say she is, the music would have said so.
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Originally posted by slw84
Oh no. I wasn't labeling it as copycat...I was noting the irony in the fact that I didn't see anything remotely coming from amerie that felt Beyonce esque but I did see the aaliyah teas. I was noting how that image came before Beyonce despite the message being that amerie had influence from beyonce.
If that sound is derived from someone else how is it that she's taking it from someone that took it from someone else.
I just watched the song and that first scene is not from CIL...I remember aaliyah doing that walk in one of her videos as well as other artists in the 90s walking next to a brick building and fences but now that i looked at the video I see the green light elements which was done afterwards.
This is weird because I never put two and two together regarding one thing/upgrade u one thing/green light but now I see that...
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Well nothing is "truly" original. Crazy in Love's sample isn't originally, but when did anyone hear that since the 1970s? Beyonce used it on her song and then it became a hit and then it became known to people. For example, someone paints a painting that is reminiscent of an relatively unknown painting by a slightly recognizable painter from the 1930s. Then suddenly there are other painters doing the same. Did that painter influence them more than that person did who brought out the reference did? They didn't think about referencing that style until it was newly referenced.
The fact that 1 Thing's sound is definitely influenced by Crazy in Love's means that there is a connection there. There is a sameness. Other people may have started their videos walking sassily in an industrial outdoor space before, but do you think that they are the inspiration, or is more likely that the smash hit's video that the very same song is based on is the inspiration?
Anyway, whether you think image-wise Amerie is not Beyonce influenced, sonically she is and her albums sounded a lot different before Crazy in Love came out.
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Originally posted by Gangsta4alife
Mary J Blige, T Boz, faith evans etc....
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Thanks!
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Originally posted by Eternium
It's between Whitney and Mariah, though I'd probably go with Mariah. The popularization of melismatic songs on radio, the rent-a-rappers, "We Belong Together" inspiring all of the big R&B jams of the mid-2000s (including "Irreplaceable)," etc. You can't really make it in R&B without using some of Mariah's moves.
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No No NO No No.. Whitney's more influential than Mimi.
But if we where to give a title to the blueprint of the modern day r&b artist that would go to MJB or Janet hands down. MJB further unified the two distinct genres of r&b and rap. It is due to her influence why the genres are so linked together as they are now.
Either that or Janet because of her musical contributions have led to the shaping of what we view as contemporary r&b now
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
No. Except Mariah was considered adult contemporary/pop artist in the early years of her career, and didn't full crossover into R&B world until 1997. It would seem Mariah only popularized things that have already been done by other artists.
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yeah because bey really brought anything new to the music industry?
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Originally posted by Gangsta4alife
Mary J Blige, T Boz, faith evans etc....
Lawd . The delusions, trolling and foolishness next sig most def |
What is so revolutionary about Mary other than being a female R. Kelly, that sings about hood struggles instead of sex & love?
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Originally posted by swissman
Anyway, I do disagree with the question posted in the title, but a lot of you are seriously undermining Beyonce in an effort to prove it. There's really no need to do so.
Beyonce is generally beyond comparison to people. It's like asking if MJ was the blueprint for R&B. He was much more than someone who made R&B music. The focus is not on that. He was a brilliant entertainer, a brilliant musician and great singer. Thus, he has influenced people from so many different genres. And that's why someone like Beyonce is adored from members of the R&B community, to popstars like Gaga, Rihanna and Katy, to torch song Divas like Adele, to legends like Celine, Diana, Stevie, Prince, MJ, Barbra, to rappers like Iggy and Nicki, etc.
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MJ is incomparable but is there anyone deeming MJ the king of r&B or referring to him as such.
I thought it was clear that MJ was the king of pop and he had rock and r&B and hip hop influences.
whereas Beyonce is r&b with pop influences every now and again.
He's an entertainer and a genius musician but the GP would categorize him properly referring to him as pop moreso than r&b his discography backs that up.
Looking at Beyonce's discography you get r*b with pop undertones every now and again but the root is r&b.
I don't see MJ having the root of r&b in songs like Dirty diana, another part of me, smooth criminal, human nature, leave me alone, etc.
I thought it was known Queen of Pop Madonna King of pop Michael 
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Originally posted by lonnie
how is adele influenced by bey? her music? I don't think so, her style? Bey doesn't sit in a chair with such conservative dresses.
Don't mistake admiration and inspiration with influence,if adele or anyone else was really influenced by bey then she wouldn't need to say she is, the music would have said so.
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Straight from the source herself:
"She's been a huge and constant part of my life as an artist since I was about 10 or 11. I love how all of her songs are about empowerment. Even when she's married and Jay-Z put a ring on it, she releases 'Single Ladies.' Go get yours. Go get what you deserve. I think she's really inspiring."
How are you not influenced by someone if you are inspired by them? It's really the same thing and if there is a difference, it's not large enough to act haughty about.
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Originally posted by KangBey
Bey is the blueprint for R&B and Pop tbh. Bey has touring receipts not far behind the Queen of Pop Madonna, who has been in the industry for over 30yrs. Bey is the 3rd highest tour grossing female ever, no other R&B artist was even in the top 10 of highest grossing female tours. Everyone from Adele, Rih, Selena Gomez, Miley, Gaga, Ciara etc has named her as an influence. Bey has influenced Adele, who is the most successful artist of her generation(Rih, Katy and Gaga) and that speaks volumes to her overall impact.
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This!!!!!
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Brandy and Aaliyah more impact than Bey? The delusion.
I'd say yes only because she is a new breed of R&B. She influenced R&B vocal performances with her rapid fire singing that only became a staple after Destiny's Child made it their signature sound. There really hasn't been another R&B singer that is like her, that has the charisma she does, the full package(being able to sing and dance) AND has reached such a high level of success. Hence why all reality talent shows all cite that they are looking for "The next Beyonce" and why her songs always get covered several times a season.
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I honestly think there should be a thread about the various blueprints of r&b.
This is a great discussion.
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