Let me educate you a biT. Just because something flops, doesn't make it risky. Artpop is a generic pop album which she made keeping radio in mind and that's exactly what she admitted in an interview. It's not our fault that she doesn't know anymore what sounds radio-friendly and what doesn't.
This.
The thing that frustrated me so much about 'Born This Way' (the album) was when it came out, and I heard tracks like Hair, Highway Unicorn, Marry the Night and The Queen, I remember thinking "why tf are you listening to Bruce Springsteen for inspiration for music that's meant to be popular in 2011?"
She needs to start listening to her peers to see what's current now. What the popular music trends of today are. She can come across as pretentious and uppity for saying "oh I only listen to music from the 70s" but to me that just says she's out-of-touch.
Katy won't ever be out-of-touch, because even though her favourite artist of all time is Freddie Mercury, she's still got her finger on the ball. She still knows what's popular today. She and her producers know what's current. They know what the GP want, and they make it. And if they want to experiment, they experiment, but it still slays, like Dark Horse.
I'm 22. And I didn't write that. I simply agreed with it by posting a picture implying Sam Jay was "spilling the tea." By the way, he's a Gaga stan.
But let me take the question you're asking and answer it anyway using the song you have written in your signature, Swine. An example of what Sam Jay said, that "many of the album's instrumentals were recycled - and not Dr. Luke's version of recycling, literally stripped instrumentals from tracks from many years ago" is a sound effect that can be heard at 3:50 in Swine. That's one of Nicky Romero's signature sounds, that can be heard at 0:46 of Nicky Romero's 'Toulouse.'
What Sam Jay said was true. Nothing on ARTPOP was innovative. And if you were a true EDM fan who went to EDM festivals, you would know this. I go to Future Music Festival and Stereosonic every year. And ARTPOP wasn't anything new as many of her fans would like to believe, probably because not many of them are heavily into EDM.
It was designed to be radio-friendly. She's said this herself. And then when its singles didn't perform well, everyone said "oh it was too experimental, the GP just don't have good taste and it was too risky." It wasn't risky or experimental at all. It just wasn't current.
In 2013, mixed-beat RnB and disco made a return, like Blurred Lines and Get Lucky. Pop never left, like Roar. And then there was also the emergence of saxophone-lead RnB pop, Thrift Shop, Talk Dirty, Problem, Wiggle. Gaga kept beating the dead horse of EDM, which actually could have been fine if it was melodic EDM, like We Found Love, Wake Me Up, Die Young, Sweet Nothing, etc. But it wasn't. It was just thumping, pumping, banging noise. Most of which Zedd and Madeon were recycling from their own, better material.
Thank you for that elaborate answer. I appreciate it even if it's flawed in the reasoning part.
ARTPOP was innovative ONLY in that sense that it was a step into another direction for Lady Gaga, while Perry makes music that is always the same,she plays it safe, it's her who's beating the deal horse. Not the other way around and it's a good thing for her and her fans. She's having multiple hits, she's respected, she's making money. Good for her. If I would be het, I would do the same.
I agree that ARTPOP is i not innovative in the way that it's something fresh or new.
And as for your music festivals attendance-good for you. But please oh please, do not make assumptions about me in any way. I asked for your age simply beacuse I thought you were under 16 years of age. My English skills fooled me.
Oh and yeah, Swine is amazing and I don't care if it sounds dated for you. I really don't.
Gaga went noisier and more pretentious and up her own ass, and Katy went more into her own repetitive Luke/Bonnie sound and playful music videos. And both girls suffered for not knowing when to shake it up
Surprisingly a bit of tea has been spilledT. (Bonnie's impact tho. )
An did there will ever be Katy Perry 's underperforming era, then I wish her all the best, like ARTPOP level would be ok for her. I mean the album sold almost 2 M WW while Katy's huge era sold 3 M WW. Correct?
No, Katy's smart enough to realize what to do, she knows that she can't stick to the same poppy image forever, also her label won't allow her to do something as stupid as Gaga did. Also as many people have stated ARTPOP ain't risky at all, most of the sound of it sounds as dated as it gets and the fact that she released Applause doesn't mean that she takes risks, if means that her team is dumb enough to not know what to release as first single (See Britney and Work Bitch)
An did there will ever be Katy Perry 's underperforming era, then I wish her all the best, like ARTPOP level would be ok for her. I mean the album sold almost 2 M WW while Katy's huge era sold 3 M WW. Correct?
Artpop sold 1.7M while Prism is at 3.1M and has yet to leave Mediatraffic. You tried though.
Artpop isnt risky... but Katy in her life has never done songs like Swine or Mary Jane Holland. Yet Katy hasn't had an image like ARTPOP or an album theme like ARTPOP... you girls always trying to downplay Gaga rather it wasn't a huge album or not ARTPOP is more of an Risky album than anything Katy has ever delivered. Had ARTPOP been a smash it would have been a different type of approach.
To answer the question NO her ARTPOP isn't coming because she will be making the same type of music she did her last four eras quick disposable hits and boring non rememberable material.
Thank you for that elaborate answer. I appreciate it even if it's flawed in the reasoning part.
ARTPOP was innovative ONLY in that sense that it was a step into another direction for Lady Gaga, while Perry makes music that is always the same,she plays it safe, it's her who's beating the deal horse. Not the other way around and it's a good thing for her and her fans. She's having multiple hits, she's respected, she's making money. Good for her. If I would be het, I would do the same.
I agree that ARTPOP is i not innovative in the way that it's something fresh or new.
And as for your music festivals attendance-good for you. But please oh please, do not make assumptions about me in any way. I asked for your age simply beacuse I thought you were under 16 years of age. My English skills fooled me.
Oh and yeah, Swine is amazing and I don't care if it sounds dated for you. I really don't.
It wasn't a step in another direction at all. How can you sit there and accuse Katy Perry of doing the exact same thing, while boasting that ARTPOP "was a step in another direction for Lady Gaga" when literally all 4 of her albums have been electronic dance music, with one ballad thrown on there (Brown Eyes, Speechless, You & I and Dope). It wasn't a step in a new direction at all. C2C will be a step in a new direction. But ARTPOP certainly wasn't. It would have been if it was a disco album, or a deep house album. But it was just the same old EDM + 1 ballad formula that we're used to.
Meanwhile, Katy experimented with early 90s house music (which is making a comeback) with 'Walking on Air.' She knew this because she (and her producers) were paying attention to current, pop music trends. She released a disco-pop song with 'Birthday' which "only" peaked at #17 which is a flop by her standards, because her standards are so high. She released a trip-hop song with a really hyphey urban beat (Dark Horse) that went on to become one of the biggest songs of her career. She experimented with traditional, oriental sounds on 'Legendary Lovers' and 'Unconditionally.'
You only say "pfffft it's exactly the same as Teenage Dream" because it's slaying and there's no other insult that can be used. And I mean, even IF it was exactly the same as Teenage Dream, so what? She scored five #1 singles and the sixth single hit #3. Then with the reissue, she got another #1 and another #3. She tied the Michael Jackson's record with it. Obviously she and her producers know what they're doing. Pop music changes incrementally. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And that's exactly the difference between Katy and Gaga. Katy's sound wasn't broken. She didn't need to fix it. Gaga's sound was broken. She did need to fix it, and she didn't.
Also, sorry for making assumptions about you not going to music festivals, but you made assumptions about me. You assumed that I was really young and wasn't knowledgable on EDM. And that could not be less true.
And I agree. Swine is an amazing song. I love it. Just because I pointed out that it wasn't original in the slightest doesn't mean I don't like it. I love it. It's a great song. But there's no point bragging about how innovative Gaga is when that song is far from innovative.
No, Katy's smart enough to realize what to do, she knows that she can't stick to the same poppy image forever, also her label won't allow her to do something as stupid as Gaga did. Also as many people have stated ARTPOP ain't risky at all, most of the sound of it sounds as dated as it gets and the fact that she released Applause doesn't mean that she takes risks, if means that her team is dumb enough to not know what to release as first single (See Britney and Work Bitch)
Katy knows that she can't stick to the same poppy image forever? What's up with the fact that she promised that this would be a dark album but turned out to be a Teenage Dream 2.0 and kept recycling the same image? She knows that repetitiveness SELLS. But she's not smart enough to realize the possible consequences of this. It may backtrack. I agree that ARTPOP, album and lyrically wise wasn't risky, but we're talking about the era. The backlash, the backtracks she survived are indicators that she risked and had some consequences. She learned from this, she's smart enough to acknowledge this, she matured enough since 2013, that's why she will release C2C. Katy didn't receive any backlash yet, because she hadn't risked, industrially and publicly wise yet. I would be there for Katy to risk and stand her ground. Unfortunately recycling the theme and the image of her previous era and album is not a risk, it's safeguarding.
What's up with the fact that she promised that this would be a dark album but turned out to be a Teenage Dream 2.0 and kept recycling the same image?
omfg you have got to let this argument go. She said that like one time in 2012 during an interview on Ellen. An interview that happened right after she was going through her divorce. Arguably the darkest period of her life, which is reflected in the song 'By The Grace of God.' She had dark purple hair and had dark lips during the time that 'Part of Me' (the film) and 'Wide Awake' came out. But her "dark" era didn't last long.
The whole concept of PRISM is that she thought it was going to be a dark album, but she realised that wasn't her. She didn't want to be dark and negative. That's not who Katy Perry is. So she "let the light in" and it dispersed into a rainbow of positivity - like a Prism.
Because that's who Katy Perry is as an artist. She's rainbows and kittens and cotton candy and bright colours. Her music videos see her playing comedy characters like Kathy Beth Terry, Jane of the Jungle, Goldie the dancer and Princess Mandee, because she's comical, colourful and conceptual. She doesn't take herself or life too seriously. She's just fun.
Besides, if she did do a "dark era" and was writhing around in a puddle of black goo with 12-inch, black, latex stilettos with guns or penises for heels, everyone would be like "omg she's copying Gaga. She's trying to be Gaga."
Like why do monsters on ATRL continually shade Katy for remaining true to herself as an artist? Isn't that kind of contradictory to the message of ARTPOP? Katy knows who she is as an artist, and who she is happens to be bright, colourful and highly-conceptual. Stop clinging to this comment of "it's going to be a bit darker" that she made in some Ellen interview from mid-2012. She changed her mind. She didn't want to be dark/depressing anymore. Get over it.
Plus if she went dark she wouldn't be family-friendly anymore either, and those 5-6 year old fans who you try and shade for liking her will probably still love her in 10 years time, meanwhile Gaga isn't cultivating new fans, she's just maintaining the same, diehard, devoted, teenage stans.
omfg you have got to let this argument go. She said that like one time in 2012 during an interview on Ellen. An interview that happened right after she was going through her divorce. Arguably the darkest period of her life, which is reflected in the song 'By The Grace of God.' She had dark purple hair and had dark lips during the time that 'Part of Me' (the film) and 'Wide Awake' came out. But her "dark" era didn't last long.
The whole concept of PRISM is that she thought it was going to be a dark album, but she realised that wasn't her. She didn't want to be dark and negative. That's not who Katy Perry is. So she "let the light in" and it dispersed into a rainbow of positivity - like a Prism.
Because that's who Katy Perry is as an artist. She's rainbows and kittens and cotton candy and bright colours. Her music videos see her playing comedy characters like Kathy Beth Terry, Jane of the Jungle, Goldie the dancer and Princess Mandee, because she's comical, colourful and conceptual. She doesn't take herself or life too seriously. She's just fun.
Besides, if she did do a "dark era" and was writhing around in a puddle of black goo with 12-inch, black, latex stilettos with guns or penises for heels, everyone would be like "omg she's copying Gaga. She's trying to be Gaga."
Like why do monsters on ATRL continually shade Katy for remaining true to herself as an artist? Isn't that kind of contradictory to the message of ARTPOP? Katy knows who she is as an artist, and who she is happens to be bright, colourful and highly-conceptual. Stop clinging to this comment of "it's going to be a bit darker" that she made on Ellen in mid-2012. If she went dark she wouldn't be family-friendly anymore either, and those 5-6 year old fans who you try and shade for liking her will probably still love her in 10 years time, meanwhile Gaga isn't cultivating new fans, she's just maintaining the same, diehard, devoted, teenage stans.
omfg you have got to let this argument go. She said that like one time in 2012 during an interview on Ellen. An interview that happened right after she was going through her divorce. Arguably the darkest period of her life, which is reflected in the song 'By The Grace of God.' She had dark purple hair and had dark lips during the time that 'Part of Me' (the film) and 'Wide Awake' came out. But her "dark" era didn't last long.
The whole concept of PRISM is that she thought it was going to be a dark album, but she realised that wasn't her. She didn't want to be dark and negative. That's not who Katy Perry is. So she "let the light in" and it dispersed into a rainbow of positivity - like a Prism.
Because that's who Katy Perry is as an artist. She's rainbows and kittens and cotton candy and bright colours. Her music videos see her playing comedy characters like Kathy Beth Terry, Jane of the Jungle, Goldie the dancer and Princess Mandee, because she's comical, colourful and conceptual. She doesn't take herself or life too seriously. She's just fun.
Besides, if she did do a "dark era" and was writhing around in a puddle of black goo with 12-inch, black, latex stilettos with guns or penises for heels, everyone would be like "omg she's copying Gaga. She's trying to be Gaga."
Like why do monsters on ATRL continually shade Katy for remaining true to herself as an artist? Isn't that kind of contradictory to the message of ARTPOP? Katy knows who she is as an artist, and who she is happens to be bright, colourful and highly-conceptual. Stop clinging to this comment of "it's going to be a bit darker" that she made in some Ellen interview from mid-2012. She changed her mind. She didn't want to be dark/depressing anymore. Get over it.
Plus if she went dark she wouldn't be family-friendly anymore either, and those 5-6 year old fans who you try and shade for liking her will probably still love her in 10 years time, meanwhile Gaga isn't cultivating new fans, she's just maintaining the same, diehard, devoted, teenage stans.
Well it's true. And at least it's original. The whole "integrating homosexuality with Catholicism" shtick had been done before by Madonna, which is why Gaga copped such a major backlash from the GP for the 'Alejandro' video, 'Born This Way' sounding like 'Express Yourself,' the whole "religious iconography" thing, wearing crosses and burqas, singing about Jesus in 'Black Jesus + Amen Fashion', 'Electric Chapel', the "controversy" that they tried to start out of 'Judas' and her constantly talking about being an Italian Catholic girl to come out of New York.
The GP had already seen it all before. How can you be originally provocative when an artist before you has revolutionarily provoked the world in the exact same ways?
Whereas Katy (in her film 'Part of Me') made it incredibly clear that she wanted to be known as "the first Katy Perry." She's tongue-in-cheek. She's colourful. She's bubbly. She plays characters. She doesn't take herself too seriously. She's kind of the anti-Madonna and the anti-Gaga. And it's working really, really well for her.
It wasn't a step in another direction at all. How can you sit there and accuse Katy Perry of doing the exact same thing, while boasting that ARTPOP "was a step in another direction for Lady Gaga" when literally all 4 of her albums have been electronic dance music, with one ballad thrown on there (Brown Eyes, Speechless, You & I and Dope). It wasn't a step in a new direction at all. C2C will be a step in a new direction. But ARTPOP certainly wasn't. It would have been if it was a disco album, or a deep house album. But it was just the same old EDM + 1 ballad formula that we're used to.
Meanwhile, Katy experimented with early 90s house music (which is making a comeback) with 'Walking on Air.' She knew this because she (and her producers) were paying attention to current, pop music trends. She released a disco-pop song with 'Birthday' which "only" peaked at #17 which is a flop by her standards, because her standards are so high. She released a trip-hop song with a really hyphey urban beat (Dark Horse) that went on to become one of the biggest songs of her career. She experimented with traditional, oriental sounds on 'Legendary Lovers' and 'Unconditionally.'
You only say "pfffft it's exactly the same as Teenage Dream" because it's slaying and there's no other insult that can be used. And I mean, even IF it was exactly the same as Teenage Dream, so what? She scored five #1 singles and the sixth single hit #3. Then with the reissue, she got another #1 and another #3. She tied the Michael Jackson's record with it. Obviously she and her producers know what they're doing. Pop music changes incrementally. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And that's exactly the difference between Katy and Gaga. Katy's sound wasn't broken. She didn't need to fix it. Gaga's sound was broken. She did need to fix it, and she didn't.
Also, sorry for making assumptions about you not going to music festivals, but you made assumptions about me. You assumed that I was really young and wasn't knowledgable on EDM. And that could not be less true.
And I agree. Swine is an amazing song. I love it. Just because I pointed out that it wasn't original in the slightest doesn't mean I don't like it. I love it. It's a great song. But there's no point bragging about how innovative Gaga is when that song is far from innovative.
After work I'll give it a read.
ARTPOP was a step into another directory, though.
After work I'll give it a read.
ARTPOP was a step into another directory, though.
Fair enough. You're entitled to your own opinion. I don't think it was a step in a new direction though. And I mean, even if it was, it didn't really work, so there's no point bragging about that anyway
Assuming this was directed at me (and not the person you quoted, as I was the one who said that certain instrumentals were released many years ago) I don't see why there is any problem with what I said or how that correlates to my age?
2012: Still Love Trance
2013: Aura
2012: Rocket Number 9
2013: Venus
2011: Karma Bitch
2013: Donatella
2012: Can't Beat The Machines
2013: Mary Jane Holland
As can be seen, many instrumentals have been recycled by Zedd and Madeon, or taken from others.
Assuming this was directed at me (and not the person you quoted, as I was the one who said that certain instrumentals were released many years ago) I don't see why there is any problem with what I said or how that correlates to my age?
2012: Still Love Trance
2013: Aura
2012: Rocket Number 9
2013: Venus
2011: Karma Bitch
2013: Donatella
2012: Can't Beat The Machines
2013: Mary Jane Holland
As can be seen, many instrumentals have been recycled by Zedd and Madeon, or taken from others.
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Also 'The Deep' by Dance with the Dead and 'Do What U Want':
I still use/like ARTPOP It's just not what I would have expected from someone who between 2008-2010, I was obsessed with and was expecting to be the next Queen of Pop. I think everyone expected a lot more from her, because in 2008-10 she was so, so promising. And she's not living up to the world's expectations.
(Bonnie's impact tho. 
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It's just not what I would have expected from someone who between 2008-2010, I was obsessed with and was expecting to be the next Queen of Pop. I think everyone expected a lot more from her, because in 2008-10 she was so, so promising. And she's not living up to the world's expectations.