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Decision '08: Barack Obama wins the election
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Republicans will never win an election again. Their "beliefs" are based on ignorance, stupidity, a lack of morals and a lack of common sense. Most young people are democrats or liberals. The rest has been brainwashed by their parents.
Republicans are a dying breed. Just like the nazis, they will be defeated.
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Originally posted by Athens
^Your argument seems to be held up by a lot of hypothetical outcomes rather than any solid facts. McCain has more experience and therefore he's automatically the better candidate?
You're right. He's not just like Bush at all. He's 5% different from Bush according to the facts. Sorry, but that's just not good enough. I would advise you to spend more time reading up on the issues instead of having a "feeling" to make your decisions.
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I don't understand how you could come to this conclusion about McCain when almost all of his policies are exactly like Bush's. Really want "change?" Vote Democrat.
As for drilling... That is NOT what you want right now. IMO, high gas prices are the best thing that have happened to this country in quite some time. The lower they are, the more people will go back to driving gas-guzzlers. $3-4 gas has forced people to challenge their notion of what is the right car to drive and what isn't.
Alternative energy is what we need to invest in right now, which is what Obama would do.
It's a vicious cycle. The more people buy gas, the greedier the oil companies get. While other major countries would be moving forward in efficiency regulations and alternative power, if Americans embraced gas again we would be stuck in neutral. Which is frightening. Trust me, the last thing you want for this country is for it to come full circle.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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McCain supporters don't know anything about McCain really. They just follow whatever he says, their parents say, and/or that dumb bitch Palin says. They don't have a mind of their own. They're ignorant, as the Republican party are, and instead of trying to understand both sides they just focus on one. As a democrat, I still have taken the time to look at both sides of the party and make my conclusion.
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All Republi****s don't have a brain; people without a brain are disabled; we shouldn't be so harsh on the disabled.
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Member Since: 9/24/2001
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Originally posted by Athens
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loves it!
See, if it wasn't for the Republicans brand of hate, I'd probably be one as I am strongly a fiscal conservative. But I also want health care for all and think gays and lesbians should have the right to be as miserable in marriage as straights do. So I be a Democrat.
Watching Palin expend her poorly used brain cells again is bothersome. why are they even in Pennsylvania instead of Ohio, which the McPalin Express is about to loose big time? And why trot out the same ole "maverick" ******** when all it takes is a spin on Google to prove it wrong? And if I hear about him being a POW or "staying on the American public's level" in terms of ******** rhetoric one more time I will shoot my television. Why not drum up the hate moreso!
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Originally posted by Athens
Apparently people on other sites and forums are outraged about McCain calling Obama "That One" during the debate. I noticed it, but I never thought of it as an issue  |
Part of it (besides the fact John hates Barack and is trying not to throttle him to death during a town hall debate of ****ing boredom) is there's just a taste of racism that can be implied. It makes John look as if Barack is "inferior" to him. Which comes with some racism tingles to it that John really needs to watch before the election becomes a total crashing defeat for the Republicans.
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Member Since: 7/1/2007
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Originally posted by Athens
McCain has actually served this country. Like Palin keeps saying "There is only one man who has ever fought for you". He has seen war first hand, so he would know what to do in a war
McCain was not the only one who has fought for us. Also, I strongly disagree that being a POW makes you qualified to be president. Many POWs and Vets have come out to show their opposition to McCain “selling his POW title” and cheapening their painful experience. By the way, four years ago when Kerry ran for President, it was the republicans who were wearing fake band-aids to mock his war experience, now look at them.
McCain has always stated he is willing to work with different political parties, no matter thier view. I have yet to hear Obama say the same. McCain wants everyone to come together to help decide whats best for this country, not everyone in his party to decide whats best.
Sorry, but again I must disagree. In Obama’s “short” time in the senate, he has worked across party lines on things like putting spending bills online so people can see when there is a “bridge being built to nowhere”, he’s worked with Republicans on ethics reforms, death penalty in his home state, and energy bills to name a few. He is an avid supporter of working across party lines, and in fact it is one of the areas where he was able to outshine Hillary in the primaries.
McCain has been in the U.S. senate for 26 years while Obama has only been a U.S.for less than 1 term.
What does this argument say about where he plans to take the country? Again, he has been warming his senate seat much longer than Obama, but when he voted with Bush so closely, how are we supposed to believe he will change over night? Oh that’s right, he changed from a deregulator to a regulator overnight. So I suppose his next magic trick is to change his voting patterns from Bush just like that. Experience does not equal Judgment.
McCain is for off-shore drilling which would help lower gas prices. Obama is against it.
Obama is for some off shore drilling but against abusing it, and for good reason. We need to start focusing on alternative energy, rather than blindly consuming the very thing that’s making global warming much worse. But apparently McCain does not believe global warming is even caused by man. How can you fix something when you have no idea what the problem is?
Please tell me what laws obama has passed or anything he voted for in the senate, cause I can't think of any.
You probably can’t think of any because you never bothered to do some research. I won’t even name them because to me it’s ridiculous that someone would say “He hasn’t done anything/has no experience” without checking the facts.
In all honesty, McCain has done a great deal for this country, but he has lost track of a clear path for the future. He’s blinded by war and foreign affairs and lost focus of the devastation happening here at home. He has promoted more division and hate towards his opponent than anyone this year and it looks like it’s about to get worse. His campaign thrives on tabloid controversies and plummets on the issues. If both campaigns are any indication of their leadership, I think Obama has proven himself, despite criticisms to be the best choice.
But I respect your favorable opinion on McCain, I just don’t think you have looked into Obama enough.
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PWND!
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Athens 
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
McCain supporters don't know anything about McCain really. They just follow whatever he says, their parents say, and/or that dumb bitch Palin says. They don't have a mind of their own. They're ignorant, as the Republican party are, and instead of trying to understand both sides they just focus on one. As a democrat, I still have taken the time to look at both sides of the party and make my conclusion.
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"Gold plated caddilac insurance"
Mccain's so racist.
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Originally posted by Kworb
Republicans will never win an election again. Their "beliefs" are based on ignorance, stupidity, a lack of morals and a lack of common sense. Most young people are democrats or liberals. The rest has been brainwashed by their parents.
Republicans are a dying breed. Just like the nazis, they will be defeated.
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BOW
It's weird to see politics changing like that.
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I see exactly what Kworb means. There's a reason why we're called progressive. We are the future. Republicans are stuck in the past. There will be no more Big Oil, no more blatant racism, no more discrimination with us at the helm.
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I think that Obama may be in danger when he sits down the White House. Many Americans don't want a black president, and terrorists may bomb him totally.
My super delusions are coming again, I don't even know what I'm saying. But I strongly go with McCain on the election. Just hoping for the best of Americans!
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Originally posted by Mr. Duff
I think that Obama may be in danger when he sits down the White House. Many Americans don't want a black president, and terrorists may bomb him totally.
My super delusions are coming again, I don't even know what I'm saying. But I strongly go with McCain on the election. Just hoping for the best of Americans!
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
McCain supporters don't know anything about McCain really. They just follow whatever he says, their parents say, and/or that dumb bitch Palin says. They don't have a mind of their own. They're ignorant, as the Republican party are, and instead of trying to understand both sides they just focus on one. As a democrat, I still have taken the time to look at both sides of the party and make my conclusion.
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Sorry Rico, that's not true. I've heard what Obama and McCain plan to do and I just side with McCain more. Sure there are some things that I like about Obama, but when I look at the big picture, i side with McCain.
Just because someone is republican doesn't mean they "don't have a brain" are "stupid" or "don't have a mind of thier own". It means they have different opinions then democrats. So you guys are bashing republicans, calling them stupid, idiots, and brainless, based on thier views?
Can't you guys just respect peoples views? I respect Athens' views and I respect him for respecting my views. But calling a group of people idiots and stupid makes you no different and you actually sound immature. People treat Obama as a godsend, but he's not. He's just a regular human being and he's not perfect.
It's okay for you to have different views, but don't bash people because of thier views. It's okay to challenge someones views, but show some respect. I don't agree with some of your views, but I respect them. Just because your view is democrat doesn't mean you are always right.
I'm not trying to anger anyone, i'm not trying to start a fight. I just wanted to share my opinion.
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Originally posted by dianasguy
Sorry Rico, that's not true. I've heard what Obama and McCain plan to do and I just side with McCain more. Sure there are some things that I like about Obama, but when I look at the big picture, i side with McCain.
Just because someone is republican doesn't mean they "don't have a brain" are "stupid" or "don't have a mind of thier own". It means they have different opinions then democrats. So you guys are bashing republicans, calling them stupid, idiots, and brainless, based on thier views?
Can't you guys just respect peoples views? I respect Athens' views and I respect him for respecting my views. But calling a group of people idiots and stupid makes you no different and you actually sound immature. People treat Obama as a godsend, but he's not. He's just a regular human being and he's not perfect.
It's okay for you to have different views, but don't bash people because of thier views. It's okay to challenge someones views, but show some respect. I don't agree with some of your views, but I respect them. Just because your view is democrat doesn't mean you are always right.
I'm not trying to anger anyone, i'm not trying to start a fight. I just wanted to share my opinion.
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It's not a matter of opinion. Opinions exist when something is not completely clear or there is no way to determine who is wrong and who is right. In this case it is clear Republicans are wrong. They choose to believe lies. They choose to be harmful to the world. It is a fact. Republicans ignore truths they don't like. They live in a fantasy and are a tumor to the world.
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Originally posted by Kworb
It's not a matter of opinion. Opinions exist when something is not completely clear or there is no way to determine who is wrong and who is right. In this case it is clear Republicans are wrong. They choose to believe lies. They choose to be harmful to the world. It is a fact. Republicans ignore truths they don't like. They live in a fantasy and are a tumor to the world.
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LOL. Gotta love Kworb's posts 
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Originally posted by josephs911
Obama Biden All the way 
But I in no way will promote Obama on ATRL, you are free to choose who you want.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE THAT LEGALLY CAN!
That is all that I will ever promote here. I believe very strongly in voting and believe everybody should vote it is there civic duty.
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Smartest post in the whole thread!!!
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Member Since: 6/1/2006
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There isn't any doubt in my mind, I'm voting Obama/Biden. This country I think after 8 years of that disgraceful POS, needs a complete change of course. McCain, I remember seemed pretty moderate back in 2000, however it is apparent to me that since then John has sold his soul to the far right wing which is clearly apparent with the Sarah Palin pick and dirty campaign he is running. Now I see these nasty attack ads they're running while the economy is circling the drain, it's just a disgrace. I am more pissed than ever at the GOP right now. 
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