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Discussion: Katy v Gaga: More Respect from Public?
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Originally posted by nick4bty
What does my age have anything to do with this? I have an education in communications, public relations, journalism, and radio broadcasting, and I have plenty of knowledge of the music industry to know more than the average ATRLer.
But that has nothing to do with this conversation  Stop trying to make this about something else.
Yes I stan hard for Gaga, and I know that she has fought hard to get to this point in her career, to have full creative control and do as she pleases, but I also know she does it because she truly wants to make work that matters, not that gets cheap sales and praise from 14 year olds. And I know Katy does make music for radio, does make music for teenagers to purchase. That's her core audience and she's perfectly fine with that. Gaga and Katy are perfectly happy with their careers. So why must we argue. |
If you honestly believe that lady gaga has full creative control then you are less educated than what you profess to be. - That's not at all meant as a shade or a comment against you but it's blatantly obvious to those in the industry that have a little more experience than you, that she's not in creative control. - At least not 100 percent.
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No but I know what time the credits start and what time the video ends.
It's actually kinda, common sense.
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Outside of the gay demographic, I don't think the general public is aware of Gaga's music, tbh. Her image to the regular person is that of an eccentric celebrity who does anything for attention. Everything else is pointing to Katy's direction - her sales, viewerships, etc. Both Gaga and Katy have music out last year, but who has been invited to all the major award shows, who has performed in all of it, who has been showered with nominations and prizes? Gaga is in a slump right now, and I thought this was fairly obvious.
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And mess at people thinking that pop music is somehow inferior to other genres. Or somehow less credible. Try being an engineer and making that perfect pop sound. It ain't easy.
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I agree with you but tbh most people feel pop music is inferior.
Anyway as for this question, neither of them have that much respect but I think Gaga has more (at least she does here in the UK).
People still know she is a talented performer and musician. Katy is just seen as another pop star with not much talent. I am not saying that is actually true but it is what allot of people think.
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To be honest, I don't think Gaga should be given this much "creative control". Just look at how she completely destroyed her career in a very short amount of time
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Gaga could literally take a **** on the planet when she is in space, Katy will never be the more respected musican or artist. 
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nothing new that some talk about stuff they know **** about 
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
Outside of the gay demographic, I don't think the general public is aware of Gaga's music, tbh. Her image to the regular person is that of an eccentric celebrity who does anything for attention. Everything else is pointing to Katy's direction - her sales, viewerships, etc. Both Gaga and Katy have music out last year, but who has been invited to all the major award shows, who has performed in all of it, who has been showered with nominations and prizes? Gaga is in a slump right now, and I thought this was fairly obvious.
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I love how she has one bad era and you guys are already trying to act like Gaga is just small time and nobody knows or cares about her music.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
If you honestly believe that lady gaga has full creative control then you are less educated than what you profess to be. - That's not at all meant as a shade or a comment against you but it's blatantly obvious to those in the industry that have a little more experience that she's not in creative control. - At least not 100 percent.
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She has a team, she makes compromises, she can't do everything. But every product she puts out had her control. At least now, from this point forward. She fired her manager and fought tooth and nail to get where she is at this exact moment. I'm excited to see where she goes from here (so far, so good, imo. The G.U.Y. era is already getting handled perfectly).
The one time Katy was allowed to release the single she wanted (Unconditionally), it failed. It's probably best that she lets Capitol and everyone else make the decisions, especially since her career is so based on getting hit singles and GP support. No shade, but I really do believe this - if she someday failed to get a hit single, do you really think she'd still be selling albums?
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Originally posted by nick4bty
What does my age have anything to do with this? I have an education in communications, public relations, journalism, and radio broadcasting, and I have plenty of knowledge of the music industry to know more than the average ATRLer.
But that has nothing to do with this conversation Stop trying to make this about something else.
Yes I stan hard for Gaga, and I know that she has fought hard to get to this point in her career, to have full creative control and do as she pleases, but I also know she does it because she truly wants to make work that matters, not that gets cheap sales and praise from 14 year olds. And I know Katy does make music for radio, does make music for teenagers to purchase. That's her core audience and she's perfectly fine with that. Gaga and Katy are perfectly happy with their careers. So why must we argue. |
Because when you leave college, real life happens. And you start appreciating the quiet ways people go through things. Gaga has turned me off with how much she has to talk about her struggles, which seem very common to any human being in this world. Including Katy. You just don't hear Katy constantly talking about it. I tend to appreciate the silent warriors.
Pop music for teenagers is art. This holier than thou attitude against pop is sad to me. Katy is no less artistic than Gaga. They are just different flavors. If you're a chocolate fan, it's really unnecessary to thumb your nose at those who prefer vanilla or cookies and cream.
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Originally posted by Benghazi82
To be honest, I don't think Gaga should be given this much "creative control". Just look at how she completely destroyed her career in a very short amount of time
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She doesn't care. That's the point.
Of course people will never believe this
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And please stop acting like Katy only gets praise from 14 year olds. Give me a break with that shade, nick. I think you're much smarter than that from conversations we had earlier.
You just gotta check your arrogance on how you look at pop music and Katy. You don't have to love it but respect that others may think Katy is a better artist. The way we respect that you see Gaga as better. Humility of others music tastes can go a long way to ending these Stan wars.
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Originally posted by nick4bty
She doesn't care. That's the point.
Of course people will never believe this
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And yet she invites fans to click on deceiving links to websites that play her videos on a loop, or invite her fans to buy multiple copies of her single and show receipts, or ask her fans to make her video #1, or tweet her chart positions. Her deception and acting is her art, I guess.
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Gaga is relevant. Some katy cats do too much in exaggerating her downfall.
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Originally posted by nick4bty
She has a team, she makes compromises, she can't do everything. But every product she puts out had her control. At least now, from this point forward. She fired her manager and fought tooth and nail to get where she is at this exact moment. I'm excited to see where she goes from here (so far, so good, imo. The G.U.Y. era is already getting handled perfectly).
The one time Katy was allowed to release the single she wanted (Unconditionally), it failed. It's probably best that she lets Capitol and everyone else make the decisions, especially since her career is so based on getting hit singles and GP support. No shade, but I really do believe this - if she someday failed to get a hit single, do you really think she'd still be selling albums?
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Again, that's from your perspective. - You don't know that lady gaga fired her manager. They seperated because of "creative differences" do you honestly believe that the man whom invested his own money in her to start her up would act in her detriment?
In fact it's a little insulting that gaga says she's been taken advantage of by those people. The people that sacrificed a lot to help her. Troy Cater is an excellent business man and manager.
I'm also surprised you think the G.U.Y era is being handled well. I believe the single hits radio and stores somtimes this week? - A week later than the views it got in it's first week would impact the charts. From the date the single is sold officialy is when radio air play time and views count towards the charts. Her debut numbers won't count. - Still think it's beinjg handled well?
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So nick, would you consider DWUW a flop too? It performed similarly to Unc. In fact Unc spent the full 20 weeks on the hot 100. Please don't exaggerate by calling it a flop.
It's also sad that you see achievement as creative control. Sometimes the wisdom of others should be tapped into. But you basically just roved that katy does take risks. Such as with Unc. Can't have it both ways. I don't get the hate you have for Katy. It's clouding your ability to stay objective.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Again, that's from your perspective. - You don't know that lady gaga fired her manager. They seperated because of "creative differences" do you honestly believe that the man whom invested his own money in her to start her up would act in her detriment?
In fact it's a little insulting that gaga says she's been taken advantage of by those people. The people that sacrificed a lot to help her. Troy Cater is an excellent business man and manager.
I'm also surprised you think the G.U.Y era is being handled well. I believe the single hits radio and stores somtimes this week? - A week later than the views it got in it's first week would impact the charts. From the date the single is sold officialy is when radio air play time and views count towards the charts. Her debut numbers won't count. - Still think it's beinjg handled well?
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Do you honestly believe they separated because of "creative differences"? Plus he probably believed he was acting in her best interest if he did in fact get fired for doing something Gaga didn't like.
I believe he did because that seems to be the gist of it from everything that has been said.
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So nick, would you consider DWUW a flop too? It performed similarly to Unc. In fact Unc spent the full 20 weeks on the hot 100. Please don't exaggerate by calling it a flop.
It's also sad that you see achievement as creative control. Sometimes the wisdom of others should be tapped into. But you basically just roved that katy does take risks. Such as with Unc. Can't have it both ways. I don't get the hate you have for Katy. It's clouding your ability to stay objective.
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Speaking of DWUW mess @ them not thinking working with R. Kelly didn't effect her respect.
The general public consist of parents too, ya'll.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Again, that's from your perspective. - You don't know that lady gaga fired her manager. They seperated because of "creative differences" do you honestly believe that the man whom invested his own money in her to start her up would act in her detriment?
In fact it's a little insulting that gaga says she's been taken advantage of by those people. The people that sacrificed a lot to help her. Troy Cater is an excellent business man and manager.
I'm also surprised you think the G.U.Y era is being handled well. I believe the single hits radio and stores somtimes this week? - A week later than the views it got in it's first week would impact the charts. From the date the single is sold officialy is when radio air play time and views count towards the charts. Her debut numbers won't count. - Still think it's beinjg handled well?
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Lol I know a lot inside the happenings between Gaga and Troy and everything else that went on mid to late last year, and I do know that Gaga had every reason to FIRE Troy. He was a great manager at one point, the best, but by the end his head was in a different place.
Whatever, I'm not discussing this here with you lol.
Yes, I think it's being handled perfectly. The impact date is the 8th. I don't really understand what you're trying to say, lol, but I see no problem with this date. Gaga is doing her Roseland residency right now so won't have much to promote anyways. Plus, she's doing OpenHouseParty, SaturdayNightOnline, and AT40 promo the weekend before the radio adds date, which I'm guessing was planned by her team to coincide with this date. There's no "official" release for this single, it's the album cut, people can buy it whenever they want lol. Songs often get added later than released, that isn't a problem. Everything is being handled very well right now. Compared to last year? She clearly has worked things out with a return to form.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Speaking of DWUW mess @ them not thinking working with R. Kelly didn't effect her respect.
The general public consist of parents too, ya'll.
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I do agree that R. Kelly was a bad idea, and probably the biggest reason why DWUW didn't fully catch on.
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