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Originally posted by Concrete
I know. The mess in 2002 was a catalyst for the change. That French judge allegedly colluded with the Russians then (and maybe others, as many of them voted the same as she), but that was never proven and only she was held responsible from that panel. Remember that 4 other judges also voted for the Russians, but we're never accused of foul play. I quoted the part of the article that alluded to the fact that the Russians may have been involved and like in 2002, it's obvious that others have to had voted their way and knowing which scores were dropped at "at random" is a the best way to get better insight into the issue. If that score was kept, then yes, that one score should be enough to overturn the outcome just like it was then because it could've been a gamechanger like the French judge's was back then. Shouldn't matter if others voted the same too and scores are dropped then averaged 
One question: do you think if the Korean delegation were to make an inquiry and it was proven that a judge was corrupt but their score was dropped, they would or should upgrade yuna to gold? I think they would regardless and it's the right thing to do. That's what I was getting at |
When one judge was corrupt and gave Yuna the lowest score and Adelina highest, then his scores were dropped for sure, the extremely high and low scores are always dropped (to prevent this kind of corruption). It wouldnt have any impact on the results, so I dont think so, no.
read moreAs far as I know, there was no official protest from Korean delegation (there is very short time limit to do it) so it is out of question now. Protests can be filled when an element is not identified correctly what was certainly not the case. I am sure the results were investigated and examined again by both, ISU and Koreans, and if there was a huge mistake in TES, then there would be a protest.
The second score is quite subjective (especially for artistry and choreography) and harder to question. The accusations of corruption are very serious and cant be based only on that because its very much possible that the judges were only caught up in the moment by the chanting audience and atmosphere, what is very natural and happens quite often. The overscoring is not a rare thing either - in huge sports events (especially olympics) are scores always inflated, Yunas score from Vancouver is no exception.
This situation reminds me on what happened in Vancouver. Lysaceks routines were less difficult but clean like Yunas and Plushenkos were more difficult and daring with minor mistakes like Adelinas. Lysacek won over Plushenko and became the first skater in 20 years to win olympics without a quad jump, what was heavily criticised as a step backwards. There were accusations of corruption - ISU and US television ABC were about to make a lucrative contract; Stars on Ice participants were suspiciously overscored and Lysacek was their main star at that time; each judge received a serie of emails by US judge Joe Inman in which he tried to discredit Plushenko and encouraged them to focus more on transition elements than jumps; But there were no proofs that all of this influenced the results. Plushenko had also bad luck that two of the scores which gave him on the first place were dropped at random.
The scandal had consequences tho - the point system was criticised for the undervaluation of quads (the difference between 3Lz and 3A was 2.2 points, while between 3A and 4T only 1.6 points, so skaters could get more points for well executed triple axel which is more likely to be landed cleanly than a quad, even when the difference in difficulty is much higher - a quad requires much more strenght and the pressure on body is multiplied with each spin, so its hard to keep control, what makes the practising of quads very dangerous). So the point system was reevalued and the point value of quads was raised. If Plushenkos routine was judged again, he would have won, but the results are always determined according to the point system in use at the time of the games.
In my opinion, Adelina, Yuna, Lysacek and Plushenko were great and each one of them deserved a medal. I tend to like the more risky and daring routines, but many fans and judges prefer the safer but overall more precise routines. Figure scating is a very subjective sport and its kind of frustrating to see all the lobbying and background politics to interfere, but it was always like that
Sweden was OWNED. C. Price is such a cutie ( 
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