[Mike91]

And how is 21 not iconic? Are people really this blind?

[Bey'Knight]

Originally posted by RADAR

BOMT is the biggest era ever and it changed pop music forever while 21 just brought 2 songs overused in talent shows
#gospel

Are u kidding me? It was freaking bubble gum teeny bopper pop music!!

[Brinny Baby]

Originally posted by swissman

Reflection is a soundtrack single for a Disney movie. The sound of that single is chosen by whomever is producing the soundtrack. And charm and energy? She had plenty, otherwise she wouldn't be a solid #2 to Britney.

She did not. She was seen as rude and her energy was not really special. These are 2 things which made Britney a phenomenon. It wasn't as easy as some of you guys are making it out to be. B*Witched came right after the Spice Girls split, yet they were never phenomenons. Clearly, Britney needed more to become a phenomenon than just being the next female teen star and her personality and looks played a role. She definitely benefited from that Spice Girls' split, but not all her success in her debut rests on that split's shoulders.

[Miley Ray Cyrus]

21

[Eternium]

For the U.S., if we use TEA conversions and equate that to physical singles (if one TEA is 10 digital singles and 10 digital singles are approximately the price of 3 physical singles):

21
Nielsen Soundscan album sales - 10.8+ million (10,798,000 by November 2013)
Non-Nielsen Soundscan album sales - 0
Certification - Diamond
"Rolling In the Deep" - 8,000,000+ digital copies - 800,000+ albums sold
"Someone Like You" - 5,700,000+ digital copies - 570,000+ albums sold
"Set Fire To the Rain" - 4,600,000+ digital copies - 460,000+ albums sold
"Rumor Has It" - 2,100,000+ digital copies - 210,000+ albums sold
U.S. total - 12,840,000 albums sold

...Baby One More Time
Nielsen Soundscan album sales - 10.6+ million (10,534,000 by July 2009)
Non-Nielsen Soundscan album sales - 1.6 million (Sony BMG)
Certification - 14x platinum
"...Baby One More Time" - 520,000+ digital copies - 52,000+ albums sold
"...Baby One More Time" - 1,412,000 physical copies - 470,000+ albums sold
"Sometimes" - 100,000+ digital copies - 10,000+ albums sold
"Sometimes" - 3,000 physical copies - 1,000 albums sold
"(You Drive Me) Crazy" - 130,000+ digital copies - 13,000+ albums sold
"(You Drive Me) Crazy" - 28,000 physical copies - 9,000+ albums sold
"From the Bottom of My Broken Heart" - 40,000+ digital copies - 4,000+ albums sold
"From the Bottom of My Broken Heart" - 778,000 physical copies - 259,000+ albums sold
U.S. total - 13,018,000 albums sold

Just as an fyi, that only includes one of ...BOMT's non-Nielsen Soundscan album sales contributors (Nielsen Soundscan was not all inclusive before the inclusion of digital music; we used to have things like club sales). 21 will easily pass Britney's debut this year in the U.S., but I guess until then, Britney had the bigger era in the U.S.

Originally posted by Bey'Knight

Are u kidding me? It was freaking bubble gum teeny bopper pop music!!

Why does the genre it was change anything Like what kind of stupid ass genre-hating? What genre would it have to be to get your "respect?"

[Addicted_]

BOMT

[anti-bitch]

BOMT had the most impact on what teenage girls wear. 21 has had wide impact on the current music scene: Lorde and Lana Del Ray arguably owe their entire careers to Adele. Rihanna and Bruno Mars wouldn't have released songs like Stay and When I Was Your Man without Adele's Someone Like You.

[leon86]

21 is the most succesful era of all time.

MESS @ comparing sales from 1999 to 2011

[rbautz]

Originally posted by anti-bitch

BOMT had the most impact on what teenage girls wear. 21 has had wide impact on the current music scene: Lorde and Lana Del Ray arguably owe their entire careers to Adele. Rihanna and Bruno Mars wouldn't have released songs like Stay and When I Was Your Man without Adele's Someone Like You.

Please, Lana Del Rey

[Ichinaru19]

Originally posted by rbautz

Please, Lana Del Rey

[PrinceSpears]

They're both hugely successful and unbelievable. But I voted for BOMT because it launched the career of one of the biggest/best pop stars of all time.

[Eternium]

Originally posted by anti-bitch

BOMT had the most impact on what teenage girls wear. 21 has had wide impact on the current music scene: Lorde and Lana Del Ray arguably owe their entire careers to Adele. Rihanna and Bruno Mars wouldn't have released songs like Stay and When I Was Your Man without Adele's Someone Like You.

Lana Del Rey's biggest influence is Britney Spears. She's been putting out music well before ADELE became a thing And Lorde's biggest influences range from 90s grunge ("Royals" sounds like a basic mid-90s song) to Lana Del Rey ("Team" sounds like a Lana Del Rey song, especially the chorus). ADELE had 0 influence on either of them

Btw, ballads have been very commercially successful thanks to the baby boomer generation aging. They still buy albums and music, so it's not some secret that HAC-music will help an artist sell. ADELE didn't do anything new with music, she just targeted towards a very strong demographic.

Originally posted by leon86

21 is the most succesful era of all time.

MESS @ comparing sales from 1999 to 2011

21 is not the most successful album of all-time We have TEAs so we can compare sales from 1999 to 2011. It really isn't that hard with a grasp of basic mathematics.

[chjw]

You can't really compare the sales between the two because they are such different times within the music industry. Regardless if 21 sold a similar amount, the sales are still the same. Having said that for 21 to sell as much as it has done, and in the same league as BOMT is incredibly impressive in 2011 making it a much bigger era.

Furthermore the only iconic and memorable song from BOMT, where much of its success is owed, is BOMT (the song). Where as 21 has iconic songs Rolling in the Deep (currently 2nd best selling digital single and longest running #1 for a British female artist in a long while), Someone Like You (the first ever solo-piano balad on the Hot 100, erm hello?!) and to a lesser extent, Set Fire to the Rain. Let's not forget 21 won 6 grammys and is more critically acclaimed.

This is not to say BOMT was not iconic or a big era.

[rbautz]

Originally posted by Eternium

Lana Del Rey's biggest influence is Britney Spears. She's been putting out music well before ADELE became a thing And Lorde's biggest influences range from 90s grunge ("Royals" sounds like a basic mid-90s song) to Lana Del Rey ("Team" sounds like a Lana Del Rey song, especially the chorus). ADELE had 0 influence on either of them

Btw, ballads have been very commercially successful thanks to the baby boomer generation aging. They still buy albums and music, so it's not some secret that HAC-music will help an artist sell. ADELE didn't do anything new with music, she just targeted towards a very strong demographic.

21 is not the most successful album of all-time We have TEAs so we can compare sales from 1999 to 2011. It really isn't that hard with a grasp of basic mathematics.

I don't think he meant musically, Adele as a role model.

Look I don't think it's random that Lana hired the same marketing firm as Adele or that Lana had her first ever TV show at Jools like Adele. Also that they tried to break through the us with an appearance at SNL.

For Lorde, she was never asked about Adele .the nearest to Adele is that she likes Etta James.

But like Adele or Lana, her first music TV show was Jools, she met there Kanye a hero for her. Adele met there McCartney also a hero for Adele.

If you have a Blockbuster like Adele or 30 years ago MJ, the smart management of artists look up how they did this, that's my opinion.

[emmanuel_punk]

LOL 21 what?

It sold like a billion récords yeah and what else?

0 impact, fame or even relevance, it was boring.

britney and her debut was HUGE in ALL terms not only in selling albums like Adele
BOMT also sold like 30 million WW so ofcourse that era was more successful, stop just looking @ the charts there's waaaay more than that.

[rbautz]

Originally posted by emmanuel_punk

LOL 21 what?

It sold like a billion récords yeah and what else?

0 impact, fame or even relevance, it was boring.

britney and her debut was HUGE in ALL terms not only in selling albums like Adele
BOMT also sold like 30 million WW so ofcourse that era was more successful, stop just looking @ the charts there's waaaay more than that.

Look it you think so, it's fine with me.

I think Adele is in a special league

Madonna is hanging up her pointy bras and fishnets as she swaps dance music for a 'grown up' album of ballads - thanks to Adele.

Queen of reinvention Madge has asked the 25-year-old songstress, below left, to help her, promising in return to write a song for Adele's next record.

'They have met in London and plan a writing session to produce a track for each other's new albums,' says a source close to 55-year-old Madonna, below.

[RADAR]

Originally posted by emmanuel_punk

LOL 21 what?

It sold like a billion récords yeah and what else?

0 impact, fame or even relevance, it was boring.

britney and her debut was HUGE in ALL terms not only in selling albums like Adele
BOMT also sold like 30 million WW so ofcourse that era was more successful, stop just looking @ the charts there's waaaay more than that.

#gospel

[T.C]

Originally posted by emmanuel_punk

LOL 21 what?

It sold like a billion récords yeah and what else?

0 impact, fame or even relevance, it was boring.

britney and her debut was HUGE in ALL terms not only in selling albums like Adele
BOMT also sold like 24 million WW so ofcourse that era was more successful, stop just looking @ the charts there's waaaay more than that.

Fixed

[alfonso12]

21, it outsold BOMT despite being released more than 10 years later.

Gonna vote ARTPOP tho.

[Pedro]

...Baby One More Time. I am actually surprised it is not winning because, yes, Adele got some album sales and great singles but nothing she pulled is as iconic as ...Baby One More Time.