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Discussion: Is Xtina as Iconic as Bey and Brit?
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Originally posted by toxicgenie
What about all the commercials she had on primetime TV for weeks? I even remember seeing back to back Beyonce commercials on the season finale of The Voice, and those don't come cheap, NBC has to pay the highest paid coaches Christina and Shakira ya know...
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Wait wasn't the Voice Finale just 3-4 days after Beyonce had already released and hit #1? That doesn't seem like "weeks", I'm glad at least the NBC exposure is working for Beyonce, lord knows what's happening to the other girls who have to tag team just for a chance at survival and relevancy.
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Originally posted by Triton
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This is the third time in the week that I see a Beyonce stan posting a long list of inaccurate facts expecting nobody to read them. Your links only talk about her promoting her Vegas tour not her album.
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
Most people here love BEYONCE for the copies sold rather than the music, I refuse to do that and I also refuse to sit here while everyone praises her for selling by her name alone when she clearly didn't. I already said that BEYONCE is a better album than BJ, that's out of discussion here.
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Exactly, people should that album on its own merits, and not be hypnotized by high sales for this album, and inversely be negatively hypnotized by lowers sales of her last album. Unfortunately, it seems like many people lack the ability to do that.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
What in prior before Beyonce released her album on Itunes, there was no announcements or commercial ads, do you not understand?!? All that came a week later after the Album had already dominated the Itunes stores worldwide.
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Okay, Im just glad you guys are admitting that her team did advertise her album, that's progress. I just didn't like people claiming that there was no promotion, because there was. It was after the album was released of course, it was a surprise release after all.
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Originally posted by Little X
She's still the Voice of Our Generation and has multiple awards stating that. I guess no one was able to overshadow her in that aspect 
I'm genuinely sorry if I come across as abrasive, but no one expect fatherless twinks and a few obese girls has compared Christina and Britney since their debut days. There's just no correlation. Ever since Mi Reflejo she has moved on to a different league and been judged mostly on her immense talent. Britney and Beyoncé stans not considering her an icon or a legend will hardly hurt her indisputable status in any way and that's the harsh truth. I mean, not even two commercial bombs were able to do it, you poor souls don't stand a chance.
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False! Another myth perpetuated by the Xtina stans. Basically a Justin Timberlake compliment that got over-exaggerated and embellished by the Xtina stans. You can't claim to be the voice of the generation, with vocals that declined within 3/4 yrs in her first decade as an artist. Such title, requires consistency of great vocals.
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Reported? Someone actually thinks that a mod hasn't seen this thread after 33 pages of posts? 
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Originally posted by Triton
Wait wasn't the Voice Finale just 3-4 days after Beyonce had already released and hit #1? That doesn't seem like "weeks", I'm glad at least the NBC exposure is working for Beyonce, lord knows what's happening to the other girls who have to tag team just for a chance at survival and relevancy.
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You did NOT! Shakira trying to survive for relevancy? She was in The Voice because she had nothing to do while being pregnant, she literally made 12 million being in The Voice as a hobbie  The only one trying to stay relevant was Beyonce in 2007 using Shakira's relevancy at the time for her own benefit.
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
False! Another myth perpetuated by the Xtina stans. Basically a Justin Timberlake compliment that got over-exaggerated and embellished by the Xtina stans. You can't claim to be the voice of the generation, with vocals that declined within 3/4 yrs in her first decade as an artist. Such title, requires consistency of great vocals.
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No, it's not just a Justin Timberlake compliment. She's been referred in the media and gotten awards over that. Nobody in the GP knows/cares about any vocal issues she's had and it wasn't within the first 3 years lol. Whitney Houston was referred to The Voice even when her voice went downhill and had way worse decline than anyone ever.
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
You did NOT! Shakira trying to survive for relevancy? She was in The Voice because she had nothing to do while being pregnant, she literally made 12 million being in The Voice as a hobbie The only one trying to stay relevant was Beyonce in 2007 using Shakira's relevancy at the time for her own benefit. |
He's talking about Xtina and Gaga.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
False! Another myth perpetuated by the Xtina stans. Basically a Justin Timberlake compliment that got over-exaggerated and embellished by the Xtina stans. You can't claim to be the voice of the generation, with vocals that declined within 3/4 yrs in her first decade as an artist. Such title, requires consistency of great vocals.
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Christina Aguilera won the Special Achievement Award “The Voice of a Generation" in the 2012 ALMA Awards.
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Originally posted by toxicgenie
Okay, Im just glad you guys are admitting her team did advertise her album, that's progress. I just didn't like people claiming that there was no promotion, because there was. It was after the album was released of course, it was a surprise release after all.
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You clearly still not grasping the concept of this album release. Whether she had promo afterwards is beside the point, and doesn't erase the fact, the album dropped in an nontraditional manner , having no pre-promo/advertise or announcements. Hence why the mainstream media called it a surprise album releases.
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
Xtina was as popular as Britney back then. Between 1999-2002 Xtina achieved 4 #1 singles and 2 Top 10 singles. Britney only had 1 #1 and 2 Top 10
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In the meantime Britney sold 50 million albums while Xtina has yet to reach 20 million sold Worldwide.
As for the Grammy, yeah, she won it and it didn't help her become more iconic than Britney, did it?
So anyway, to conclude this thread, Britney is the most iconic female singer of the last 30 years and then come the rest.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
False! Another myth perpetuated by the Xtina stans. Basically a Justin Timberlake compliment that got over-exaggerated and embellished by the Xtina stans. You can't claim to be the voice of the generation, with vocals that declined within 3/4 yrs in her first decade as an artist. Such title, requires consistency of great vocals.
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It started long before JT said it.
The GP does see her as the voice of her generation even though Christina isn't vocally trained. Weird, huh?  I guess if they cared about perfect technique they'd pick a local opera singer and stan for him.
As I said, she does have multiple awards stating that after all.
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Y'all did too much.
BJ flopped and not because it wasn't promoted, because it was. It flopped because NO ONE CARES. The singles flopped because NO ONE CARES. She's struggling to sell out 4k seat venues in Vegas because NO ONE CARES. All of Brit's greatest achievements happened a decade ago and NO ONE CARES.
BEYONCE has sold 2 million copies in less then 4 weeks because PEOPLE CARE.
Christina will forever be in the shadows of the other girls, but she can live happily knowing that BJ probably won't sell as much as her last two albums, but then again NO ONE CARES.
And no she is not a bigger icon then anybody BUT WHO CARES.
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
Christina Aguilera won the Special Achievement Award “The Voice of a Generation" in the 2012 ALMA Awards.
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Gurl please! Nobody cares about no damn ALMA Awards. Let me know when the Grammys, the American Music Awards and Billboards awards acknowledge her musical legacy.
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Originally posted by JustActinUP
False! Another myth perpetuated by the Xtina stans. Basically a Justin Timberlake compliment that got over-exaggerated and embellished by the Xtina stans. You can't claim to be the voice of the generation, with vocals that declined within 3/4 yrs in her first decade as an artist. Such title, requires consistency of great vocals.
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You don't need to be a good vocalist to captivate millions. You're just not getting it.
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
Let me try again:
Xtina was as popular as Britney back then. Between 1999-2002 Xtina achieved 4 #1 singles and 2 Top 10 singles(#3 and #2). Britney only had 1 #1 and 2 Top 10(#10 and #9)
Oh I forgot to add that Xtina ruled the Latin charts in 2000 spending 19 weeks at #1
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Again, by this fail logic, Destiny's Child (who were opening for Britney on tour in that same time period) were bigger and more popular than both because they had more hits (4 #1s and 3 top tens). And that's just not true. NOBODY was more popular than Britney in that time period. She was undeniably top dog.
They spent 17 cumulative weeks at number one doesn't matter. DC were huge, no doubt -- but Britney was still bigger and had more cultural impact. Britney's peak was massive. She burned out quickly -- to be fair, it's impossible to maintain success and dominance at that level. Her staggering peak is why she is a huge icon. There were maybe a handful of solo acts that huge prior to Britney.
What Bey has that has cemented her spot is incredible longevity; she's bigger now than she was then. She is remarkably consistent and has the most well rounded career of her peers and her star has continually grown. She's bigger now than she ever was 17 years in.
Christina has neither. She was very popular, but she was still second fiddle to Britney and was only a major force in music as a solo act for six or seven years -- she hasn't had a big era since Back to Basics. She is an icon, she's had iconic moments, but she's not on the level of Britney or Beyonce.
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Originally posted by Johnny Cash
I totally agree with you. The thing is nobody was here for Bey when she was "flopping" with 4 and she suddenly has ATRL in her bag because she's successful? Most people here love BEYONCE for the copies sold rather than the music, I refuse to do that and I also refuse to sit here while everyone praises her for selling by her name alone when she clearly didn't. I already said that BEYONCE is a better album than BJ, that's out of discussion here.
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Wait what...she did 400k in one day. That more than proves it sold on her name alone. If you want to debate that she had prior exposures through unrelated mediums like commercials, performance slots, and mini-controversies, fine. But it doesn't negate the fact that no one knew what MUSIC was on the ALBUM yet 80k people bought it within just 3 hours at an odd hour of the day; ergo, it initially sold on her name.
A lot of people were still here for Bey during 4. She gave good performances and good music. There are threads of people from all fanbases stanning. Only the haters took the opportunity to drag her due to low album sales and flop singles.
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Originally posted by Ravindra
You don't need to be a good vocalist to captivate millions. You're just not getting it.
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Yet butchering the lyrics of a National Anthem can make millions turn away
Pregame Show Hits Three-Year Low, 2011
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
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No, I think having all the banners on iTunes in every country did the trick. It was the first time it happened. It was brilliant. Free or not it was major promo. The iTunes takeover created confusion and many people bought it just to find out what all the fuzz was about, it was also a great bargain. Bey killed it TBH, but I just think that if any pop girl had done the same thing the results would have been similar, i.e. release an album for $16 with 14 songs and 17 videos plus all the iTunes hype.
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