It's not even hard like the anticipation some of y'all give to it I mean all the answers you just obviously delete the other votes and put 'sh0ckw4ves' :kpxo:
Also, on reflection, HOW THE FVCK DID CRAZY KIDS WIN THE KE$HA DISCOGRAPHY RATE. Y'all are $hit stans to let that happen... just because it was the current (flopping) single...
Oh well, at least it hit #1 on something, I guess.
It's not even hard like the anticipation some of y'all give to it I mean all the answers you just obviously delete the other votes and put '$oldier' :kpxo:
Vin's post is basically how I feel, except I think that Luke is too much of a control freak for his own good and that's the reason why Warrior flopped. Luke made Ke$ha sing Nate's Die Young chorus, Ke$ha did it, wasn't entirely happy about it, and when things turned sour she called him out on it. Die Young being the lead single was a bad choice because it showed no artistic growth in Ke$ha, which didn't make the GP want to buy her album since they'd heard it all before. C'mon and Crazy Kids were also his choices, and were equally bad choices as singles. Warrior had the right material, but it wasn't utilised. Furthermore, it could have had even more right material had Luke compromised with Ke$ha in other ways.
Also, I'm not saying that Ke$ha didn't want to make pop songs back in the Animal+Cannibal era. She did. But that's not why Ke$ha's career is in the situation it is now, so it's not entirely relevant to the discussion. Ke$ha decided that she wanted to branch out from the electropop party music and image, and Luke not only restricted that with the Warrior album, but extremely restricted that with the Warrior singles. I don't want Ke$ha to be some random alternative indie act either, but she needs something else other than, "We'll keep dancing 'til we die," and "Come give me some of that yum like a lollipop."
1. I agree with everything you said except for the "Die Young" not being a good single choice statement. "Die Young" was the perfect single choice -- it branched out juuust enough from "Animal + Cannibal" to be recognizably different, even if only slightly, yet still maintained that strong pop chart topper essence Ke$ha is known for. If it wasn't for that unfortunate incident, it would have had the twice, maybe three times the longevity.
2. Happy 17th Birthday! Aww, you're such a youngin'. *pinches your cheek*
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So I just made this, basic and stuff and shady but I like it
Looks good, MTM. Just posted a "Timber" remix on my
Facebook now and used your cover for the cover art.
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This is exactly how I feel man. Perfect explanation.
It bothers me the way some fans suddenly seem to think she should turn over and become an "alternative" artist when the truth of the matter is that shes not indie. She is pop and shes pop admittedly so. There just needs to be a balance. That does not invalidate Animal+Cannibal either because as you stated she and Dr. Luke were in the same creative mindset at the time which is why it worked so well. Some people seem to misunderstand that and think Animal+Cannibal is not who she really is but it was. You can't just write her past discography off like that.
100% agree. Ke$ha has indie roots, and indie friends, and does indie well but, in my opinion, Ke$ha has had a big taste of the intoxicating "Glamourous Life of Pop" -- the hair, the makeup, the music videos, the award show performances, the reality shows, the iHeartRadio stages, et cetera. Being a low-key "indie" artist probably won't do it for Ke$ha anymore (not at this point in her career, anyway). She most likely wants more than that for herself and for her fans (not that there is anything wrong with being indie or indie music).
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Am I the only one that doesn't think Last Goodbye sounds fresh? But I do agree that it probably would've done really well on radio though. Definitely better than C'Mon or Crazy Kids especially last year since fun. was always on the radio.
"Last Goodbye" isn't anything innovative, but it was a different sound from Ke$ha that the general public hadn't heard and it fit Ke$ha's pop and country sensibilities perfectly. It would have done great on radio. It's a shame it was wasted for a "Crazy Kids" remix featuring will.i.am.
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I hate fun. lol.
Get a tattoo of this.
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I agree with what you guys said here. I feel torn between wanting her to reconcile with Luke and have a fresh start with him with a new, refined sound, or continuing to push away from him.Then again, I'm not sure how realistic it is to hope that she and Luke even can be on good terms with each other anymore, after the things we've been reading and hearing in the past.If they can't work out this situation, then I'd want her to stray away from him and rather work with other producers.
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This is pretty much how I feel tbh. Ke$ha needs Luke as much as Luke needs Ke$ha however they need to work with eachother rather than against each other. Last Goodbye SHOULD of been a single and it probably would of smashed, it has a fresh sound that is quite popular in the Pop/Radio music sector.
One thing I HATE, HATE, HATE about this whole thing is just how he treats her. At first I didnt really pay much attention to that aspect of the situation, I in a way refused to believe it but now that I know for sure it makes me sick to my stomach. Luke is a BULLY and goes against everything that Ke$ha preaches, I do hope however they work past this little bump in their relationship because together they are dynamite (As Vin. said)
I think the very best case scenario is Dr. Luke and Ke$ha reconciling. I want them to reconcile and understand one another's views on the situation. It really does feel like a lovers quarrel. I think they just need to communicate and come to a medium. From the outside, lookin in -- it feels like miscommunication. If they can't come to terms with one another, I think Ke$ha won't be in a JoJo-type of situation simply because Ke$ha is a bigger name than JoJo and Dr. Luke is a bigger name as well.
For instance, if Ke$ha decided to run a very public smear campaign against Dr. Luke for not letting her work with other producers or freezing all of her music until further notice (like JoJo has done with her label) then it will DEFINITELY have more of an impact on Dr. Luke and his standing in the music industry just because of the how big both of their names are. I'm not sure he'd want to risk that. Thus, I think even if they both can't come to an agreement, Ke$ha would still be able to release music, just most likely without Dr. Luke's full support. Ke$ha is a very smart business woman; she hasn't said anything concrete regarding Dr. Luke yet. She's holding her cards close to her chest and I applaud her for that.
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I went to work with my dad and coming back in the car i had alot of free time so i decided i would do these hypothetical albums, i guess
PRIMITIVE Standard
1. Primitive
2. Wild Child
3. Whiskey kiss
4. Heartbeats
5. Meet Me
6. Galaxies
7. Running With Wolves
8. U Suck Ass
9. Stars n Stripes
10. Escalade
11. Skeleton
12. Flower Bloom
13. Not Afraid
Primitive The album would be a yin and yang concept along with Warrior, this being the darker album
1.Primitive:
Similar to Cannibal this song would sound really primal with a thick bass and have Wayne coyne and Dr luke collaborating creating a sick track together
2. Wild Child:
Basically if Die young and Timber had a baby, this song would be have folk instrumentals and heavy breakdowns with an anthemic chorus
3. Whiskey kiss:
Originally going to be called Night life, I basically wanted a dirty filthy song with major synths pounding through the speakers and breakdowns that slay lives . I kind of imagined if ke$ha hooked up with a guy this is what it would taste like
4. Heartbeats:
Indie pop song about feeling close to her fans and how her heartbeats for them, yeah
5. Meet Me:
A remastered version of the leaked one with clapping and with a deep base during the chorus
6. Galaxy:
Ke$ha teams up with Zedd to create a complextro and jaded song where short clips of ke$has vocal create the melody of the chorus, talking about life on earth and life on other planets. “We are not alone”
7. Running With Wolves:
*taken from Cronich*
An attack on Bearman, I imagined the song to have the lyrics “I can do anything without you, you’ll see me running with wolves” and would have folktronica instrumentals
8. U Suck Ass:
The song she sang to Bearman but a lot more faster and aggressive, would be the first c0ck pop song of the album
9. Stars n Stripes:
A continuation of Gold trans am, this song revolves around her Americana life and everything American and would have crazy fiddles and harmonicas
10. Escalade:
A dirty song about her pimping in her car, pulling boys, men and anything inbtween. The song would have a rap verse similar to the one she sang on MCBL, but with smooth synthetic choruses similar to that of the leather interior
11. Skeleton:
The darkest song on the album, it would start off as a ballad with ke$has singing the tune, and then the bass kicks in and then becomes a trap song with organs and thunder sounds
12. Flower Bloom:
Referencing her mother and her hippie life and how she raised kesha and her siblings by herself, I thought this would be a track where ke$ha blooms into her at home persona Kesha Sebert. Produced by Wayne coyne this song would sound very spring(y) using a guitar riff and would slowly become a campfire sing along song
13. Not Afraid:
The snippet she sang on her piano and on MCBL, the lyrics would be “tonight, im not afraid to die, not afraid to cry” an empowerment ballad with ke$ha on the piano and then slowly drums kick in, pretty much a Love Into The Light song, but better
14. Daisy Dukes:
ke$ha discusses how she feels in her daisy dukes and during the chorus she chants “Double D’s”
15. Horizon:
A song about her travels around the world and would be produced by Dr luke or Calvin harris
16. Urban Legend:
I like the name, this would be another dark and haunting song
17. Machine Gun Love:
Studio version
I absolutely LOVE the title "Primitive" for Ke$ha's next c**kpop album, CrazyK. LOVE it.
Nice work on the album tracks, too. Here for it. "Urban Legend" already gives me the shivers.
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I really, really hope there aren't fans here that would jump ship without Dr. Luke-produced songs. I'm never jumping ship
I agree. I am never jumping ship. I'm Ride or Die, yo. Not here
for flip floppers and bandwagoners. I am extremely
loyal when it comes to who I am a fan of.
I absolutely LOVE the title "Primitive" for Ke$ha's next c**kpop album, CrazyK. LOVE it.
Nice work on the album tracks, too. Here for it. "Urban Legend" already gives me the shivers.
...Vin
Thanks Vinny
I forgot to write that it would be a dark ballad about how she cant find the perfect man and that he must be an Urban Legend
1. I agree with everything you said except for the "Die Young" not being a good single choice statement. "Die Young" was the perfect single choice -- it branched out juuust enough from "Animal + Cannibal" to be recognizably different, even if only slightly, yet still maintained that strong pop chart topper essence Ke$ha is known for. If it wasn't for that unfortunate incident, it would have had the twice, maybe three times the longevity.
2. Happy 17th Birthday! Aww, you're such a youngin'. *pinches your cheek*
...Vin
I think you missed my main point. Warrior's disappointing album sales (85,000 copies first week ) were because of Die Young being the single, nothing else. The Sandy Hook tragedy happened on December 14 2012, 10 days after Warrior's release on December 4 2012 in the US.
Die Young was a great single and a fun song in general, but it wasn't a great album seller. There are only two options that could have fixed this issue:
1) Release Last Goodbye as the lead single, which would have helped to move albums.
2) Release Die Young as the lead single, but push Last Goodbye as the second single in December/January, before Warrior's release in January/February of 2013.
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Also, I didn't just turn 17, I was just posting my age since others were.
I forgot to write that it would be a dark ballad about how she cant find the perfect man and that he must be an Urban Legend
I'm getting flashbacks of this movie.
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I think you missed my main point. Warrior's disappointing album sales (85,000 copies first week ) were because of Die Young being the single, nothing else. The Sandy Hook tragedy happened on December 14 2012, 10 days after Warrior's release on December 4 2012 in the US.
Die Young was a great single and a fun song in general, but it wasn't a great album seller. There are only two options that could have fixed this issue:
1) Release Last Goodbye as the lead single, which would have helped to move albums.
2) Release Die Young as the lead single, but push Last Goodbye as the second single in December/January, before Warrior's release in January/February of 2013.
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Also, I didn't just turn 17, I was just posting my age since others were.
"Warrior" had lackluster sales not because of "Die Young." It had lackluster sales because of the competition that was out. For whatever insane reason, Dr. Luke thought Ke$ha could compete against Taylor Swift and One Direction, not to mention the constant onslaught of "The Voice" singles pushing down "C'mon" and the MEGA-HOLIDAY SELLER Michael Bublé crushing the competition. Don't forget we had Rihanna's "Diamonds" and the runaway hit "Gangnam Style" to deal with. (Out of all of those, the only artist that Ke$ha can legitimately compete with is Rihanna. Contrary to popular belief, Rihanna and Katy Perry are Ke$ha's direct competition, not Lady Gaga.) At the time, the market was over-saturated and Ke$ha just got lost in the shuffle. Without a successful second and third single to keep pushing the album (like the singles did for "Animal + Cannibal") the album sales trailed off. She needed to release in the summer. Ke$ha is not an artist built for a fall release. She's a spring/summer release artist. For example, "Warrior" debuted with 86K and opened in sixth place. Conversely, "Ciara" was released in July, debuted with 59K and opened in second place. If Ke$ha would have released in July, she would have had a number one album that week. Timing of the release is just as important as the quality of music.
"Warrior" had lackluster sales not because of "Die Young." It had lackluster sales because of the competition that was out. For whatever insane reason, Dr. Luke thought Ke$ha could compete against Taylor Swift and One Direction, not to mention the constant onslaught of "The Voice" singles pushing down "C'mon" and the MEGA-HOLIDAY SELLER Michael Bublé crushing the competition. Don't forget we had Rihanna's "Diamonds" and the runaway hit "Gangnam Style" to deal with. (Out of all of those, the only artist that Ke$ha can legitimately compete with is Rihanna. Contrary to popular belief, Rihanna and Katy Perry are Ke$ha's direct competition, not Lady Gaga.) At the time, the market was over-saturated and Ke$ha just got lost in the shuffle. Without a successful second and third single to keep pushing the album (like the singles did for "Animal + Cannibal") the album sales trailed off. She needed to release in the summer. Ke$ha is not an artist built for a fall release. She's a spring/summer release artist. For example, "Warrior" debuted with 86K and opened in sixth place. Conversely, "Ciara" was released in July, debuted with 59K and opened in second place. If Ke$ha would have released in July, she would have had a number one album that week. Timing of the release is just as important as the quality of music.
...Vin
While that may be true, I'm not talking about chart position, I'm talking about first week sales. Rihanna (her closest competition, as you say) sold 238,000 copies of Unapologetic only two weeks before Warrior was released. Katy Perry (also her closest competition) sold 287,000 copies of PRISM in later October, about a month and a half before Warrior's opening week, relatively speaking. The difference is that both Diamonds and Roar were album sellers. They were not only big #1 hits as singles, but the songs (as well as previous releases, granted) made people want more Rihanna and Katy Perry music. Die Young did not do the same for Ke$ha. With the right lead single, there's no reason why Ke$ha couldn't have opened up with around 200,000 copies in that time period, no matter whether the record hit #1 or not.
I really like ke$ha's vocals in this, i would love for her to release something like this on her own, i mean shes more than capable
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he decided to bring Kesha in to work on the album because it would be unexpected.[23] Cooper said about Kesha, "I think a lot of my audience is going to go KESHA!?, but she probably wrote the most disgusting lyrics in the song – we had to rein her in.
but I like it 
. I kind of imagined if ke$ha hooked up with a guy this is what it would taste like 
