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Unlike some of the Animals who got caught up in the "Free Ke$ha" hype without even knowing solid facts, I'm pro Dr. Luke. Don't misunderstand, though -- I'm not pro Enslave Ke$ha. The fact of the matter is, Dr. Luke is a very, very talented producer and bonafide consistent hitmaker. Dr. Luke and Ke$ha COMBINED are a monster, literally. They literally just made hit after hit after hit together with "Animal + Cannibal." Both Ke$ha and Dr. Luke were in the same place musically, back then.
The issue is that Ke$ha has expanded her musicality since "Animal + Cannibal" but Dr. Luke hasn't (in terms of what the artist "Ke$ha" should be). Both Dr. Luke and Ke$ha are right in their own argument -- Dr. Luke needs Ke$ha to be a relevant hit-making pop star and Ke$ha needs to understand that from a business standpoint. But Ke$ha needs to have enough artistic freedom to create music that, not only smashes, but also reflects her as an artist, and Dr. Luke needs to understand that. Ke$ha can't suddenly become an indie rock artist and expect all her fans to follow her, and Dr. Luke can't expect Ke$ha to put forth that drunk party girl image forever. The full c**k pop album that was supposed to be "WARRIOR" was a perfect idea that would have been a great medium between both Ke$ha and Dr. Luke, but Dr. Luke didn't want to take the risk.
No risk, no gain...
...Vin
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I meant 19! Good lord 
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I'm cackling. How did 39 get there
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I hope Ke$ha continues with her various sounds; what she does best
dance pop; powerful ballads; some more rock; and other songs (PastLives,GrowAPear...)
But she has to release singles from more than 1 genre 
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Originally posted by Vin
Unlike some of the Animals who got caught up in the "Free Ke$ha" hype without even knowing solid facts, I'm pro Dr. Luke. Don't misunderstand, though -- I'm not pro Enslave Ke$ha. The fact of the matter is, Dr. Luke is a very, very talented producer and bonafide consistent hitmaker. Dr. Luke and Ke$ha COMBINED are a monster, literally. They literally just made hit after hit after hit together with "Animal + Cannibal." Both Ke$ha and Dr. Luke were in the same place musically, back then.
The issue is that Ke$ha has expanded her musicality since "Animal + Cannibal" but Dr. Luke hasn't (in terms of what the artist "Ke$ha" should be). Both Dr. Luke and Ke$ha are right in their own argument -- Dr. Luke needs Ke$ha to be a relevant hit-making pop star and Ke$ha needs to understand that from a business standpoint. But Ke$ha needs to have enough artistic freedom to create music that, not only smashes, but also reflects her as an artist, and Dr. Luke needs to understand that. Ke$ha can't suddenly become an indie rock artist and expect all her fans to follow her, and Dr. Luke can't expect Ke$ha to put forth that drunk party girl image forever. The full c**k pop album that was supposed to be "WARRIOR" was a perfect idea that would have been a great medium between both Ke$ha and Dr. Luke, but Dr. Luke didn't want to take the risk.
No risk, no gain...
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Originally posted by Vin
Unlike some of the Animals who got caught up in the "Free Ke$ha" hype without even knowing solid facts, I'm pro Dr. Luke. Don't misunderstand, though -- I'm not pro Enslave Ke$ha. The fact of the matter is, Dr. Luke is a very, very talented producer and bonafide consistent hitmaker. Dr. Luke and Ke$ha COMBINED are a monster, literally. They literally just made hit after hit after hit together with "Animal + Cannibal." Both Ke$ha and Dr. Luke were in the same place musically, back then.
The issue is that Ke$ha has expanded her musicality since "Animal + Cannibal" but Dr. Luke hasn't (in terms of what the artist "Ke$ha" should be). Both Dr. Luke and Ke$ha are right in their own argument -- Dr. Luke needs Ke$ha to be a relevant hit-making pop star and Ke$ha needs to understand that from a business standpoint. But Ke$ha needs to have enough artistic freedom to create music that, not only smashes, but also reflects her as an artist, and Dr. Luke needs to understand that. Ke$ha can't suddenly become an indie rock artist and expect all her fans to follow her, and Dr. Luke can't expect Ke$ha to put forth that drunk party girl image forever. The full c**k pop album that was supposed to be "WARRIOR" was a perfect idea that would have been a great medium between both Ke$ha and Dr. Luke, but Dr. Luke didn't want to take the risk.
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This is exactly how I feel man. Perfect explanation.
It bothers me the way some fans suddenly seem to think she should turn over and become an "alternative" artist when the truth of the matter is that shes not indie. She is pop and shes pop admittedly so. There just needs to be a balance. That does not invalidate Animal+Cannibal either because as you stated she and Dr. Luke were in the same creative mindset at the time which is why it worked so well. Some people seem to misunderstand that and think Animal+Cannibal is not who she really is but it was. You can't just write her past discography off like that.
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I am a Ke$ha fan, not a Dr. Luke fan. I still think many of you confuse the two and are actually the latter. For you, anyone could sing a cute pop song and you'd enjoy it. For me, it needs to be Ke$ha. I look forward to her growth, not more pop "bops" proposed by Luke & friends. There's a difference.
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I am a Ke$ha fan, not a Dr. Luke fan. I still think many of you confuse the two and are actually the latter. For you, anyone could sing a cute pop song and you'd enjoy it. For me, it needs to be Ke$ha. I look forward to her growth, not more pop "bops" proposed by Luke & friends. There's a difference.
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Are you 'keshas pears' or 'kesha spears'
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Are you 'keshas pears' or 'kesha spears'
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The first. I like Britney Spears but I am in no way a stan. Most of her discography I have listened to only a few times. Though, I am nearly religiously involved with her hits.
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Since it's Friday night, ya'll better be listening to "Friday Night, Bitch Fight" 
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
I am a Ke$ha fan, not a Dr. Luke fan. I still think many of you confuse the two and are actually the latter. For you, anyone could sing a cute pop song and you'd enjoy it. For me, it needs to be Ke$ha. I look forward to her growth, not more pop "bops" proposed by Luke & friends. There's a difference.
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I'm assuming you're the type of fan that believes Dr. Luke having produced the majority of her first album and its accompanying EP means that those albums aren't really "Ke$ha". But they are because thats where she was creatively at that time. Its exactly as Vin stated. There were songs on Warrior that obviously felt as though she did not stand behind them creatively as opposed to her first record. There needs to be mediation for the songs produced by Luke now because unlike with her first record, they obviously have grown to have creative differences.
Its not about ditching Luke anyway. Its about him giving her some creative control.
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Originally posted by keshaspearsxo
I am a Ke$ha fan, not a Dr. Luke fan. I still think many of you confuse the two and are actually the latter. For you, anyone could sing a cute pop song and you'd enjoy it. For me, it needs to be Ke$ha. I look forward to her growth, not more pop "bops" proposed by Luke & friends. There's a difference.
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She's still signed to Luke's label, so the songs with growth that you speak of will probably be produced by Luke & friends.
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Catching up here, again. 
I'm 17. 
Vin's post is basically how I feel, except I think that Luke is too much of a control freak for his own good and that's the reason why Warrior flopped. Luke made Ke$ha sing Nate's Die Young chorus, Ke$ha did it, wasn't entirely happy about it, and when things turned sour she called him out on it. Die Young being the lead single was a bad choice because it showed no artistic growth in Ke$ha, which didn't make the GP want to buy her album since they'd heard it all before. C'mon and Crazy Kids were also his choices, and were equally bad choices as singles. Warrior had the right material, but it wasn't utilised. Furthermore, it could have had even more right material had Luke compromised with Ke$ha in other ways.
Also, I'm not saying that Ke$ha didn't want to make pop songs back in the Animal+Cannibal era. She did. But that's not why Ke$ha's career is in the situation it is now, so it's not entirely relevant to the discussion. Ke$ha decided that she wanted to branch out from the electropop party music and image, and Luke not only restricted that with the Warrior album, but extremely restricted that with the Warrior singles. I don't want Ke$ha to be some random alternative indie act either, but she needs something else other than, "We'll keep dancing 'til we die," and "Come give me some of that yum like a lollipop."
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lordT the paragraphs
but i agree with Vin xoxoxo
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There's nothing wrong with forming complete sentences and paragraphs in order to get a point across.
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This is really nice, but the way that they've sort of just added to the original instrumental makes it sound kind of overproduced in some parts. Still great, if Ke$ha actually made a track with a pan flute base like that (similar to Timber's harmonica), it's absolutely SLAY careers, lives and planets. 
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Though I myself love Dr. Luke's productions and probably would not have become this huge of a fan of Ke$ha without them, I really, really hope there aren't fans here that would jump ship without Dr. Luke-produced songs. I'm never jumping ship
Unless she goes nuts or something. Or turns into Katy Perry.
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Catching up here, again.
I'm 17.
Vin's post is basically how I feel, except I think that Luke is too much of a control freak for his own good and that's the reason why Warrior flopped. Luke made Ke$ha sing Nate's Die Young chorus, Ke$ha did it, wasn't entirely happy about it, and when things turned sour she called him out on it. Die Young being the lead single was a bad choice because it showed no artistic growth in Ke$ha, which didn't make the GP want to buy her album since they'd heard it all before. C'mon and Crazy Kids were also his choices, and were equally bad choices as singles. Warrior had the right material, but it wasn't utilised. Furthermore, it could have had even more right material had Luke compromised with Ke$ha in other ways.
Also, I'm not saying that Ke$ha didn't want to make pop songs back in the Animal+Cannibal era. She did. But that's not why Ke$ha's career is in the situation it is now, so it's not entirely relevant to the discussion. Ke$ha decided that she wanted to branch out from the electropop party music and image, and Luke not only restricted that with the Warrior album, but extremely restricted that with the Warrior singles. I don't want Ke$ha to be some random alternative indie act either, but she needs something else other than, "We'll keep dancing 'til we die," and "Come give me some of that yum like a lollipop." |
This is pretty much how I feel tbh. Ke$ha needs Luke as much as Luke needs Ke$ha however they need to work with eachother rather than against each other. Last Goodbye SHOULD of been a single and it probably would of smashed, it has a fresh sound that is quite popular in the Pop/Radio music sector.
One thing I HATE, HATE, HATE about this whole thing is just how he treats her. At first I didnt really pay much attention to that aspect of the situation, I in a way refused to believe it but now that I know for sure it makes me sick to my stomach. Luke is a BULLY and goes against everything that Ke$ha preaches, I do hope however they work past this little bump in their relationship because together they are dynamite (As Vin. said)
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I went to work with my dad and coming back in the car i had alot of free time so i decided i would do these hypothetical albums, i guess 
PRIMITIVE
Standard
1. Primitive
2. Wild Child
3. Whiskey kiss
4. Heartbeats
5. Meet Me
6. Galaxies
7. Running With Wolves
8. U Suck Ass
9. Stars n Stripes
10. Escalade
11. Skeleton
12. Flower Bloom
13. Not Afraid
Deluxe
14. Daisy Dukes
15. Horizon
16. Urban Legend
17. Machine Gun Love
Primitive
The album would be a yin and yang concept along with Warrior, this being the darker album
1. Primitive:
Similar to Cannibal this song would sound really primal with a thick bass and have Wayne coyne and Dr luke collaborating creating a sick track together
2. Wild Child:
Basically if Die young and Timber had a baby, this song would be have folk instrumentals and heavy breakdowns with an anthemic chorus
3. Whiskey kiss:
Originally going to be called Night life, I basically wanted a dirty filthy song with major synths pounding through the speakers and breakdowns that slay lives  . I kind of imagined if ke$ha hooked up with a guy this is what it would taste like
4. Heartbeats:
Indie pop song about feeling close to her fans and how her heartbeats for them, yeah
5. Meet Me:
A remastered version of the leaked one with clapping and with a deep base during the chorus
6. Galaxy:
Ke$ha teams up with Zedd to create a complextro and jaded song where short clips of ke$has vocal create the melody of the chorus, talking about life on earth and life on other planets. “We are not alone” 
7. Running With Wolves:
*taken from Cronich*
An attack on Bearman, I imagined the song to have the lyrics “I can do anything without you, you’ll see me running with wolves” and would have folktronica instrumentals
8. U Suck Ass:
The song she sang to Bearman but a lot more faster and aggressive, would be the first c0ck pop song of the album
9. Stars n Stripes:
A continuation of Gold trans am, this song revolves around her Americana life and everything American and would have crazy fiddles and harmonicas
10. Escalade:
A dirty song about her pimping in her car, pulling boys, men and anything inbtween. The song would have a rap verse similar to the one she sang on MCBL, but with smooth synthetic choruses similar to that of the leather interior
11. Skeleton:
The darkest song on the album, it would start off as a ballad with ke$has singing the tune, and then the bass kicks in and then becomes a trap song with organs and thunder sounds
12. Flower Bloom:
Referencing her mother and her hippie life and how she raised kesha and her siblings by herself, I thought this would be a track where ke$ha blooms into her at home persona Kesha Sebert. Produced by Wayne coyne this song would sound very spring(y) using a guitar riff and would slowly become a campfire sing along song
13. Not Afraid:
The snippet she sang on her piano and on MCBL, the lyrics would be “tonight, im not afraid to die, not afraid to cry” an empowerment ballad with ke$ha on the piano and then slowly drums kick in, pretty much a Love Into The Light song, but better 
14. Daisy Dukes:
ke$ha discusses how she feels in her daisy dukes and during the chorus she chants “Double D’s”
15. Horizon:
A song about her travels around the world and would be produced by Dr luke or Calvin harris
16. Urban Legend:
I like the name, this would be another dark and haunting song
17. Machine Gun Love:
Studio version
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I really hope the new album won't be too indie
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