Poll: Did ATRL bang the gong on Gaga? - Page 4

Genocide

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Originally posted by mariska

It really is refreshing to see people have such high expectations for Gaga. If this is Rihanna or anybody else nobody'd be saying a word, but Gaga ha power and relevance still gets people fuming when her song isn't smashing like they normally do. Closet stans

You should be talking to your fellow stans that scalp any song that's not #1. Funny how they all went after Katy, yet she's #1 somewhere while Gaga isn't.

Notice how the monsters stayed silent once the charts sunk in and most of them disappeared. But the song is indeed a flop, even under normal standards.

Forevermore

The single didn't even underperform in reality though. "Born This Way" was frontloaded because of the tremendous hype that led up to its release, "Applause" didn't have the hype that "Born This Way" had and thus has to grow to become a hit. Every single one of Gaga's singles prior to the "Born This Way" era did the same, so I don't see how the song is even underperforming at all.

U.S. CHARTS

Applause
6 - 4 - 6

Bad Romance
9 - 18 - 11

Telephone
30 - 41 - 46

The Fame Monster singles didn't have the hype of the Born This Way era singles, and in the end all performed a lot better. ATRL was WAY too quick to bang the gong. Imagine if the single was like Telephone and debuted at #30.

mariska

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Originally posted by Genocide

You should be talking to your fellow stans that scalp any song that's not #1. Funny how they all went after Katy, yet she's #1 somewhere while Gaga isn't.

Notice how the monsters stayed silent once the charts sunk in and most of them disappeared. But the song is indeed a flop, even under normal standards.

Why is this about the monsters, tho? I thought it was about Gaga.

Fact of the matter is Applause is currently a hit, top ten on iTunes for weeks straight is better than some #1 "smash" hits. It's cute that you think a #4 peaking song with longevity is a flop under normal standards. Meanwhile, the rest of the world continues to expect Gaga to smash even when she's fading. HEW else? I don't see any of the other pop girls doing it, if a certain somebody in your signature got a top ten top single she'd be praised up aND down.

Genocide

The single IS under-performing. And the charts GLOBALLY agree.

However it's still entertaining to see monsters go and bash other songs for charts and now they have to lower their standards and pretend that ~it's all about the music~.

mariska

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Originally posted by TheGeoKing

The single didn't even underperform in reality though. "Born This Way" was frontloaded because of the tremendous hype that led up to its release, "Applause" didn't have the hype that "Born This Way" had and thus has to grow to become a hit. Every single one of Gaga's singles prior to the "Born This Way" era did the same, so I don't see how the song is even underperforming at all.

U.S. CHARTS

Applause
6 - 4 - 6

Bad Romance
9 - 18 - 11

Telephone
30 - 41 - 46

The Fame Monster singles didn't have the hype of the Born This Way era singles, and in the end all performed a lot better. ATRL was WAY too quick to bang the gong. Imagine if the single was like Telephone and debuted at #30.

It's only expected that the biggest popstar in the world would debut with a top ten, the other girls would be left off the hook.

mariska

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Originally posted by Genocide

The single IS under-performing. And the charts GLOBALLY agree.

However it's still entertaining to see monsters go and bash other songs for charts and now they have to lower their standards and pretend that ~it's all about the music~.

Can we take this to SYG, please?

Genocide

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Originally posted by mariska

Why is this about the monsters, tho? I thought it was about Gaga.

Fact of the matter is Applause is currently a hit, top ten on iTunes for weeks straight is better than some #1 "smash" hits. It's cute that you think a #4 peaking song with longevity is a flop under normal standards. Meanwhile, the rest of the world continues to expect Gaga to smash even when she's fading. HEW else? I don't see any of the other pop girls doing it, if a certain somebody in your signature got a top ten top single she'd be praised up aND down.

I'm just saying this because recently I've seen monsters flip their act now that Applause is under-performing, and I'm even seeing it in this thread, so I'm addressing it.

But I'm using the monster's logic about what a flop is or isn't, so I don't know why you would disagree. Run The World and Applause have similar charts yet RTW is deemed as a flop by monsters. So it would be safe to assume Applause is too, right?

Poxy

I thought this was gonna be like that one thread a while back "Is nostalgia just for geeks?" And the poll options: "Yes" or "No, some of us just like to read."

mariska

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Originally posted by Genocide

I'm just saying this because recently I've seen monsters flip their act now that Applause is under-performing, and I'm even seeing it in this thread, so I'm addressing it.

But I'm using the monster's logic about what a flop is or isn't, so I don't know why you would disagree. Run The World and Applause have similar charts yet RTW is deemed as a flop by monsters. So it would be safe to assume Applause is too, right?

RTW never cracked the top ten in America, let alone other markets. Gaga is in the top 5 in 15+ countries. WhY are you trying it?

Xorev

Not just GaGa, ATRL does the most when it comes to the main pop girls.

Genocide

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Originally posted by mariska

Why is this individual coming for Applauses globalness, does he not know he has Beykaki in his signature? Applause already has scored more ww 5s then Single Ladies, why does the beyhive try it?

Sis, if you want to talk to me, you can speak to me here predictable "insult" which I already knew you'd use. Unless you want to continue acting like a brat, we can speak here.

ksmith

I thought this was asking if ATRL gang banged Lady Gaga...

johnsuxx

Gaga's local now and now Katy's the global queen.

Forevermore

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Originally posted by Genocide

The single IS under-performing. And the charts GLOBALLY agree.

Believing something to be true repeatedly isn't going to make it come true.

Let's compare its global charts to that of "Bad Romance". A single with relatively little hype when originally release, similar to "Applause" (no matter how many people want to convince themselves that it did have a lot of hype). Hype from a fanbase on the internet =/= actual hype.

BAD ROMANCE DEBUT POSITIONS
#1 France
#9 United States
#14 United Kingdom
#16 Australia
#24 Spain
#27 Netherlands

APPLAUSE DEBUT POSITIONS
#1 Spain
#3 France
#5 United Kingdom
#6 United States
#19 Australia
#21 Netherlands

So "Bad Romance" by ATRL's standards today would have been labeled and screamed "FLOP" in its debut week, only to rebound later and smash around the world. Of course I'm not saying this is what is going to happen with "Applause", because it likely won't at least on the same level, but it's just an interesting observation to see.

HausOfGerard

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Originally posted by mariska

RTW never cracked the top ten in America, let alone other markets. Gaga is in the top 5 in 15+ countries. WhY are you trying it?

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itsAllen

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Originally posted by KSmith011

I thought this was asking if ATRL gang banged Lady Gaga...

mess.

Mike91

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Originally posted by ARTPOPULAR

I'm glad some of y'all have higher standards for Gaga than you do of your fave, it shows who's really winning.

The Monster's had the high expectations.

We're all just pointing them out to you.

This thread should be closed. Miley just snatched and Eminem is likely next.

P!nkism

As much as I can not stand that woman, Applause wasn't a flop, just an underperforming single by Gaga's standards (especially since it was the first Single of the Album)
How the album does in the long run will decide what is a flop and what is not

NEZ

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Originally posted by johnsuxx

Gaga's local now and now Katy's the global queen.

Actually local would suggest she was doing well in her home turf.

Genocide

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Originally posted by TheGeoKing

Believing something to be true repeatedly isn't going to make it come true.

Let's compare its global charts to that of "Bad Romance". A single with relatively little hype when originally release, similar to "Applause" (no matter how many people want to convince themselves that it did have a lot of hype). Hype from a fanbase on the internet =/= actual hype.

BAD ROMANCE DEBUT POSITIONS
#1 France
#9 United States
#14 United Kingdom
#16 Australia
#24 Spain
#27 Netherlands

APPLAUSE DEBUT POSITIONS
#1 Spain
#3 France
#5 United Kingdom
#6 United States
#19 Australia
#21 Netherlands

So "Bad Romance" by ATRL's standards today would have been labeled and screamed "FLOP" in its debut week, only to rebound later and smash around the world. Of course I'm not saying this is what is going to happen with "Applause", because it likely won't at least on the same level, but it's just an interesting observation to see.

Hips don't lie, and charts definitely don't.

Applause has had plenty of promotion as is, and I'm sure more to come. The song and the era have had more promotion already than some eras alone. Promotion/hype isn't an excuse when it comes for Gaga.

It's quite clear Gaga had a great coming for the ARTPOP era out of all the current musicians. Applause just didn't cut it, and it's already sinking with the amount of promotion, how is it going to climb back up?

It's not necessarily by ATRL's standards, it's by your fellow monster's standards as well. Calling people flops and labelling them "over" just because they don't hit #1. From Rihanna to Beyonce to K$ and dozens of others - and ironically, when their fav. doesn't do it, they come up with excuses. The epitome of hypocrisy.

Personally, I don't care about the song's charts. I just think it's under-performing because it's bad (mainly because of the verses).