Not true. "Motivation," "Put It Down," "Pretty Girl Rock," "Adorn," "Dive In" + "Heart Attack," all of those songs were R&B hits and neither of those songs' artist managed to push solid numbers on the Billboard 200. Miguel is the only one who even has chance of going Gold.
How can you say this when Kelly opened with 70k+, Keri 100k+, Brandy 70k+ etc.. I'm sure you know the numbers.
Those are solid numbers for R&B artists and an improvment of Ciara's last numbers which is what she needs to do - to improve.
Most of them suffered a fail follow up single which led the album sales to dying but most of them finished at 200-300k+ sales with 1 successful single and could have easily gone Gold with smart single choices.
Ciara is at a point where it's make it or break it. If you are expecting her to do 200k on first week at this point than you are out of you mind.
What she needs to do with this album is to get herself good opening numbers [70-100k] and keep the hits going with some promo to keep it alive and selling. Get her name back out there.
She got the tools but she needs a smart mangement team behind her and most important, choose her singles wisely.
I'm expecting Ci to open with about 100k. Anything above 60k is excusable but I know she can do better than that.
I also do think she needs to serve a crossover not-just-Urban-and-Rhythmic single before Ciara drops.
What we DO know is that the album will outsell Basic Instinct. Like, we've at least got THAT in the bag.
All ciara needs to do is IMPROVE on her last project. No need to compare with any one else, she just needs to outdo her. So anything over 50k is a great start.
where can i hear Sophomore? I have been searching for a link to listen like all day & i can't find it
Most of the original HQ vids have been snatched down since the song was confirmed for the album. The producer tweeted that he would have to go back & edit/mix the record.
Cannot wait for the album version.
I still believe some of the pop cuts are being tucked away for the swift follow up album. Considering how long it takes Ci to record & release, that would only make sense.
Either way all of these songs will be heard in due time. Accept it.
Not true. "Motivation," "Put It Down," "Pretty Girl Rock," "Adorn," "Dive In" + "Heart Attack," all of those songs were R&B hits and neither of those songs' artist managed to push solid numbers on the Billboard 200. Miguel is the only one who even has chance of going Gold.
I agree. I do think R&B songs sell albums, but the distinction most people forget is that the songs need to crossover first. A lot of pop/HAC listeners buy albums (probably moreso than the rhyhtmic/urban listeners), but a huge portion of album buyers are never hearing these amazing R&B songs, and probably would buy the albums if they were hearing them (Justin Timberlake's and Adele's recent albums sold pretty well after all).
You can see this with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj's albums. Starships and We Found Love were massive hits, but those albums didn't sell as well, because the only songs that were big mainstream hits from those albums were dance songs. The albums where they had songs like What's My Name? and Moment 4 Life managing to cross over sold much better.
The songs need to get mainstream recognition. If they stay "urban only" they won't help much. For example, Usher has Climax which was a huge smash on urban radio, but whilst that was smashing, all the mainstream audience were hearing Scream. That's millions of potential album buyers who are hearing Scream, so of course they're not going to buy Usher's album based on that song. Had his label pushed Climax harder on pop radio, and not released Scream, I think his album would've sold more.
I agree. I do think R&B songs sell albums, but the distinction most people forget is that the songs need to crossover first. A lot of pop/HAC listeners buy albums (probably moreso than the rhyhtmic/urban listeners), but a huge portion of album buyers are never hearing these amazing R&B songs, and probably would buy the albums if they were hearing them (Justin Timberlake's and Adele's recent albums sold pretty well after all).
You can see this with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj's albums. Starships and We Found Love were massive hits, but those albums didn't sell as well, because the only songs that were big mainstream hits from those albums were dance songs. The albums where they had songs like What's My Name? and Moment 4 Life managing to cross over sold much better.
The songs need to get mainstream recognition. If they stay "urban only" they won't help much. For example, Usher has Climax which was a huge smash on urban radio, but whilst that was smashing, all the mainstream audience were hearing Scream. That's millions of potential album buyers who are hearing Scream, so of course they're not going to buy Usher's album based on that song. Had his label pushed Climax harder on pop radio, and not released Scream, I think his album would've sold more.
One of the best posts I've ever read on this forum.
The next single will probably either be I'm Out or Overdose. I'm Out sounds like it'll be a bop, and the Nicki verse is probably top notch and will boost the song a whole bunch. Overdose is ear candy so people will love that, too. I have this strange feeling that Ci has a ton of options this era and is about to play her cards way too right. Am I alone?
And yes, there needs to be another boost for BP unless they want it to chart for a week and fall off
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I agree. I do think R&B songs sell albums, but the distinction most people forget is that the songs need to crossover first. A lot of pop/HAC listeners buy albums (probably moreso than the rhyhtmic/urban listeners), but a huge portion of album buyers are never hearing these amazing R&B songs, and probably would buy the albums if they were hearing them (Justin Timberlake's and Adele's recent albums sold pretty well after all).
You can see this with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj's albums. Starships and We Found Love were massive hits, but those albums didn't sell as well, because the only songs that were big mainstream hits from those albums were dance songs. The albums where they had songs like What's My Name? and Moment 4 Life managing to cross over sold much better.
The songs need to get mainstream recognition. If they stay "urban only" they won't help much. For example, Usher has Climax which was a huge smash on urban radio, but whilst that was smashing, all the mainstream audience were hearing Scream. That's millions of potential album buyers who are hearing Scream, so of course they're not going to buy Usher's album based on that song. Had his label pushed Climax harder on pop radio, and not released Scream, I think his album would've sold more.
I agree. I do think R&B songs sell albums, but the distinction most people forget is that the songs need to crossover first. A lot of pop/HAC listeners buy albums (probably moreso than the rhyhtmic/urban listeners), but a huge portion of album buyers are never hearing these amazing R&B songs, and probably would buy the albums if they were hearing them (Justin Timberlake's and Adele's recent albums sold pretty well after all).
You can see this with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj's albums. Starships and We Found Love were massive hits, but those albums didn't sell as well, because the only songs that were big mainstream hits from those albums were dance songs. The albums where they had songs like What's My Name? and Moment 4 Life managing to cross over sold much better.
The songs need to get mainstream recognition. If they stay "urban only" they won't help much. For example, Usher has Climax which was a huge smash on urban radio, but whilst that was smashing, all the mainstream audience were hearing Scream. That's millions of potential album buyers who are hearing Scream, so of course they're not going to buy Usher's album based on that song. Had his label pushed Climax harder on pop radio, and not released Scream, I think his album would've sold more.
I agree. I do think R&B songs sell albums, but the distinction most people forget is that the songs need to crossover first. A lot of pop/HAC listeners buy albums (probably moreso than the rhyhtmic/urban listeners), but a huge portion of album buyers are never hearing these amazing R&B songs, and probably would buy the albums if they were hearing them (Justin Timberlake's and Adele's recent albums sold pretty well after all).
You can see this with Rihanna and Nicki Minaj's albums. Starships and We Found Love were massive hits, but those albums didn't sell as well, because the only songs that were big mainstream hits from those albums were dance songs. The albums where they had songs like What's My Name? and Moment 4 Life managing to cross over sold much better.
The songs need to get mainstream recognition. If they stay "urban only" they won't help much. For example, Usher has Climax which was a huge smash on urban radio, but whilst that was smashing, all the mainstream audience were hearing Scream. That's millions of potential album buyers who are hearing Scream, so of course they're not going to buy Usher's album based on that song. Had his label pushed Climax harder on pop radio, and not released Scream, I think his album would've sold more.
I don't agree with a large portion of this. A: Nicki's debut old as much as it did off of hype. Plain and simple. After the hype it was the success of "Super Bass" that continued to keep the albums sales steady. Her followup LP didn't have the same success because she completely abandoned her sound and became more of a rapping Lady Gaga than the Onika most people fell in love with. | B: Rihanna's 'TTT' album didn't sell as much as 'LOUD' because it simply wasn't promoted. She did two performances, one on X-Factor UK and the other on X-Factor US and then we didnt see her again until the Grammys. 'LOUD' started punching sales wise thanks to "Only Girl" being the global hit that it was. While "What's My Name?" definitely helped assure people the album wasn't just some Dance ish, it never "crossed over" because it was regarded as a Pop song more than it was an Urban record. Hell, it was harder to get Urban radio to spin it than it was to get Pop radio to spin it.
And as for Usher, that album was a mess to start with, but I agree they could've pushed "Climax" harder on Pop radio. And I do agree that urban artist tend to limit their own success by not branching out and pushing their urban cuts on Pop/Top 40 radio. I mean, Alicia Keys did that with "Girl on Fire" and we see how successful that was. It's almost 3x platinum, and almost made it into the top 10 of the Hot 100 chart.
OMG!