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Album: Ciara - 'Ciara'
Member Since: 2/13/2012
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Originally posted by BlackJesus
I feel like super turnt up will be the next single since that was name dropped in the body party video
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She ALWAYS says that, that means nothing... but the fact that she ALWAYS says it has made me think it'll be a single as well so I guess we'll see. Other tracks like I'm Out and Read My Lips seem to get more praise.
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Originally posted by DOMINO
A pop hit is still better than no hit.
Body Party is way too slow. And she really doesn't have that much time left before her album drops.
I really want her to succeed and for that she needs a to have a hit before the album is released.
The critics have already said that Overdose is by far the standout track and that it would be a hit.
Why should she wait? Body Party will not be the smash she is hoping for and that's just reality.
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Body Party is actually growing wildly on Rhythmic and Urban right now. Overdose is also not the most praised track by critics. In fact, I rarely see it being reviewed. I'm Out and Read My Lips are more talked about.
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Originally posted by DOMINO
Preach!
Edit: Her urban songs can't even enter Hot 100.
And some of you are still hoping that she'll stay urban. How in the world do you all think will she sell her album with singles that aren't even Top 100  |
Yeah... wait a sec, like everyone else is saying. This week it is going to debut.
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Originally posted by humbz
Sis, these songs were huge on pop radio, but they're R&B jams, urban anthems. That's the point.
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But we ain't in 2004 anymore....
BTW Body Party or (parts) as the people with low comprehension like to call it, will more than likely chart this week on the Hot 100, so fall back
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Like, it has to at LEAST peak at 100  I'm pretty sure Epic isn't delusional, they know the song isn't massive.
They just need an Urban hit to launch Ciara back. Sorry didn't quite do that, Body Party is doing it, though.
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Member Since: 5/21/2012
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Originally posted by DOMINO
Preach!
Edit: Her urban songs can't even enter Hot 100.
And some of you are still hoping that she'll stay urban. How in the world do you all think will she sell her album with singles that aren't even Top 100 |
Ciara isn'tt Britney or Gaga or whoever else y'all are trying to force her to be. Her industry and fan support is moreso urban than anything. Thats who listens to Ride and is requesting Body Party and whatnot. She needs to connect with them. Having sellout pop hits doesn't sell albums. Ask Nicki. And we're not even 100% on if LSM would have done so well without Justin Timberlake, since that was at the peak of his career, too.
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Ciara staying true to her R&B roots won't guarantee sales, neither will focusing on Pop. She definitely needs to try and cater to both audiences, which I'm sure her team will do later on since they have the time. I mean, she has about two and a half months before her album drops. They need to focus on making "Body Party" a hit now, and focus on a Pop/Crossover/International single in June.
Oh, and "BP" will be charting on the Hot 100 next week, probably.. somewhere between the 90s or 80s. Her team should have some live promo planned for next week, or the following week because "BP" is falling on iTunes (#90 at the moment) and its gonna need something to get people excited and interested in buying again or it'll surely fall off the charts.
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The next single will probably either be I'm Out or Overdose. I'm Out sounds like it'll be a bop, and the Nicki verse is probably top notch and will boost the song a whole bunch. Overdose is ear candy so people will love that, too. I have this strange feeling that Ci has a ton of options this era and is about to play her cards way too right. Am I alone?
And yes, there needs to be another boost for BP unless they want it to chart for a week and fall off 
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Member Since: 12/4/2010
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Originally posted by SoulLow
Ciara isn'tt Britney or Gaga or whoever else y'all are trying to force her to be. Her industry and fan support is moreso urban than anything. Thats who listens to Ride and is requesting Body Party and whatnot. She needs to connect with them. Having sellout pop hits doesn't sell albums. Ask Nicki. And we're not even 100% on if LSM would have done so well without Justin Timberlake, since that was at the peak of his career, too.
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You just don't get it do you. It's not about her being the next britney, it's about her having actual HIT OR SMASH records. If Ciara can't be a single's artist, what makes you think she's going to be an album artist????? At this point she needs SOMETHING to fall on! I rather her be a singles artist, then be a no hit single or album artist.
Peak of his career? His album just went 2x platinum in the US in just ONE MONTH. How is that the peak of his career?
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Originally posted by RudeBoy™
Ciara staying true to her R&B roots won't guarantee sales, neither will focusing on Pop. She definitely needs to try and cater to both audiences, which I'm sure her team will do later on since they have the time. I mean, she has about two and a half months before her album drops. They need to focus on making "Body Party" a hit now, and focus on a Pop/Crossover/International single in June.
Oh, and "BP" will be charting on the Hot 100 next week, probably.. somewhere between the 90s or 80s. Her team should have some live promo planned for next week, or the following week because "BP" is falling on iTunes (#90 at the moment) and its gonna need something to get people excited and interested in buying again or it'll surely fall off the charts.
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Which is what I believe they are trying to do. I will say though that they do need to warm up to the first pop single, so maybe releasing "I'm Out feat. Nicki Minaj" (if it's single worthy) as the second single would serve as a smooth transition. Then Overdose being the third single around and before the VMA's. Who knows what could happen, but it's a better risk in my opinion.
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Member Since: 5/21/2012
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Originally posted by ciara
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You just don't get it do you. It's not about her being the next britney, it's about her having actual HIT OR SMASH records. If Ciara can't be a single's artist, what makes you think she's going to be an album artist????? At this point she needs SOMETHING to fall on! I rather her be a singles artist, then be a no hit single or album artist.
Peak of his career? His album just went 2x platinum in the US in just ONE MONTH. How is that the peak of his career?
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And you think its impossible for any genre's sound other than Euro-influenced Pop to be a hit? You don't think BP can be a slow burn smash like Motivation was (despite the lack of promo)? You don't think BP Fits in more with her biggest hit catalog than the other song?
And if you're talking about his newest album, yeah thats crazy good too, but I mean back then, coming from the huge success of his second album.
I think the problem is that what we're talking about is in a bubble. Overdose was big on ATRL and other pop focused boards, so the positive talk was hyped up by people who already had a positive impression of the song, who then talked about it positively, etc. I personally don't think its a guaranteed hit everyone thinks it'll be.
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Member Since: 11/16/2011
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 at Overdose having you girls LITERALLY punching keys in here. I can't wait.
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
Oh NA NA, I ain't a amateuuuuuaaaaaaaA. BABY, I know how da handle yaaaaaaa 
Sophomore is an ANTHEM
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The best track to surface during the 'pre-OWA' era.
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I frequently have to google search "Overdose snippet ATRL page 15" to listen to that 3:00 looped version.
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Originally posted by SoulLow
And you think its impossible for any genre's sound other than Euro-influenced Pop to be a hit? You don't think BP can be a slow burn smash like Motivation was (despite the lack of promo)? You don't think BP Fits in more with her biggest hit catalog than the other song?
And if you're talking about his newest album, yeah thats crazy good too, but I mean back then, coming from the huge success of his second album.
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But that's the thing a "Motivation 2.0" hit will only get you so far. The undeniable truth is that unless you're a Rihanna or a viral hit maker, the chances of an R&B/Urban single to top the charts/top 10 is slim to none.
Ciara is not there yet, and as a fan I'm willing to admit that, but that's the whole point. For her to get there, she needs a radio friendly single like "Overdose". Heck it doesn't even have to be Ovedose, it could be another pop single that is worthy. But she needs a POP record to get that smash she desperately needs.
Body Party was the PERFECT way to start the era, because people are now warming up to her. Up next is the ultimate wow factor. Ciara herself said that the next single will be up tempo, so I'm guessing it will somewhat hip hop influenced. Then after she can sneak in the pop single.
But imagine her releasing three consecutive urban singles. That would just not work.
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I'm literally writing paragraphs for these girls 
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Member Since: 8/17/2011
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Originally posted by ciara
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Teach 'em! Yes it's smart to focus on Urban right now but at the end of the day she still needs a bit more than that. I mean did Motivation sell Kelly's album?
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Originally posted by ciara
But that's the thing a "Motivation 2.0" hit will only get you so far. The undeniable truth is that unless you're a Rihanna or a viral hit maker, the chances of an R&B/Urban single to top the charts/top 10 is slim to none.
Ciara is not there yet, and as a fan I'm willing to admit that, but that's the whole point. For her to get there, she needs a radio friendly single like "Overdose". Heck it doesn't even have to be Ovedose, it could be another pop single that is worthy. But she needs a POP record to get that smash she desperately needs.
Body Party was the PERFECT way to start the era, because people are now warming up to her. Up next is the ultimate wow factor. Ciara herself said that the next single will be up tempo, so I'm guessing it will somewhat hip hop influenced. Then after she can sneak in the pop single.
But imagine her releasing three consecutive urban singles. That would just not work.
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I Agree with ya.
I mean cici tried sorry, got me good, and body party. body party is the one song that made a buzz but she needs a pop song! i mean if its true that cici only needs R&B influenced songs then all 3 of her singles should've smashed and gave cici her fans back....
she tried it but its just not working. she shouldn't keep on releasing R&B and wait until one smashed hard and keep pushing her album! I'm not a cici stan but Overdose and livin it up really got me looking forward for her albm!
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R&B hits = album sales.
Pop hits = single sales.
Pretty much as simple as that..
Esp for someone that got her power from R&B when she first came out and it's where most of her base is coming from and used to be.
So as far as I care, she needs to get her R&B hit like she's doing with Body Party, get those R&B lovers sales like Kelly Rowland is doing and than release something like Overdose to get pop attention and benift from both side while releasing something to R&B radios to keep the roll.
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Originally posted by SoulLow
Ciara isn'tt Britney or Gaga or whoever else y'all are trying to force her to be. Her industry and fan support is moreso urban than anything. Thats who listens to Ride and is requesting Body Party and whatnot. She needs to connect with them. Having sellout pop hits doesn't sell albums. Ask Nicki. And we're not even 100% on if LSM would have done so well without Justin Timberlake, since that was at the peak of his career, too.
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Girl what? 
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Member Since: 8/25/2011
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Originally posted by NickLacheyFan
R&B hits = album sales.
Pop hits = single sales.
Pretty much as simple as that..
Esp for someone that got her power from R&B when she first came out and it's where most of her base is coming from and used to be.
So as far as I care, she needs to get her R&B hit like she's doing with Body Party, get those R&B lovers sales like Kelly Rowland is doing and than release something like Overdose to get pop attention and benift from both side while releasing something to R&B radios to keep the roll.
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Not true. "Motivation," "Put It Down," "Pretty Girl Rock," "Adorn," "Dive In" + "Heart Attack," all of those songs were R&B hits and neither of those songs' artist managed to push solid numbers on the Billboard 200. Miguel is the only one who even has chance of going Gold.
And Pop hits for the most part do = singles sales, but selling singles > selling neither singles or albums.
Album sales are honestly generated by a mixture of things. A - a prominent and loyal fanbase. | B - Critical acclaim and hype. | C - successful singles. Ciara still needs to work on winning people over and making them like her and go hard enough for her to say "yes, I'm gonna buy this album. Hell, I might gift it to a person or two." It won't happen over night or with one album. It takes time.
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Body Party, for the type of song it is, has received a lot more attention than I thought it would've.
The song already out-performed Sorry, for crying out loud. People ARE checking for Ciara again.
I thoroughly believe this can and maybe even will be her comeback, if the next single is done right.
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where can i hear Sophomore? I have been searching for a link to listen like all day & i can't find it 
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