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News: Hugo Chavez is dead
Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
No soy pobre, ni pendejo, si supieras quién es mi padre y cuál es su cargo en una de las empresas aduaneras más importantes de Venezuela. People VOTED for him, he wasn't a dictator. That's it. He was not remain in power if he wasn't followed by lots of people, that means something. More than 8 million people voted him as the president of my country. VOTED, democracy. I'm sorry if you can't see that, and I can see it hurt you, like you were a Venezuelan.
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And are you going to tell me Mexico was a democracy for a hundred years because people voted for the PRI party? 
Open your eyes. Chavez was always going to find a way to stay in power. Fun fact: Castro had always been "voted" as president; just so you'll know.
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those pics are pretty cool .. so many people
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
And are you going to tell me Mexico was a democracy for a hundred years because people voted for the PRI party?
Open your eyes. Chavez was always going to find a way to stay in power. Fun fact: Castro had always been "voted" as president; just so you'll know. |
Cuba is different from Venezuela, like N. Korea. You're still talking about something you don't know. I will not post anything about Mexico cause I don't live there.
In here, people VOTED, participated. I was one of them. I know how things are done in my country, you do not, you can't say he was a dictator when lots of people loved him. More than 4 million people are expected to come and see his body at La Academia Militar. You CAN see the pictures. All of those presidents coming to Venezuela.
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Member Since: 10/30/2011
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Open your eyes. Chavez was always going to find a way to stay in power. Fun fact: Castro had always been "voted" as president; just so you'll know.
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I don't think anyone outside the Communist Party can become a candidate in Cuba though. Maybe in 10 years Chavez would've been like that but he didn't reach that point. Although I think Castro has always been like that, since his rise to power wasn't even democratic and dare I say was bloody.
You are right when you said Chavez is nearly universally hated by the middle and upper class. I'd say that in terms of the lower class (a majority in the country) he is fairly popular but a lot of poor people oppose him as well. I actually think his popularity went UP after his passing, in my experience so many people I knew that were against him have been "sad" about the situation, I really don't understand that tbh.
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Member Since: 4/12/2008
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I can't at the ignorance in this thread 
I had to left my own country (Venezuela) almost 5 years ago because of the insecurity, the inflation, the lack of groceries at the markets, the lack of liberty, etc... all of that because of that man.
Caracas is the worldwide city with the biggest amount of murders per day, also the most expensive city in America, as Venezuela has the biggest inflation in America.
And people says he was a good leader.
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by Glam
I don't think anyone outside the Communist Party can become a candidate in Cuba though. Maybe in 10 years Chavez would've been like that but he didn't reach that point. Although I think Castro has always been like that, since his rise to power wasn't even democratic and dare I say was bloody.
You are right when you said Chavez is nearly universally hated by the middle and upper class. I'd say that in terms of the lower class (a majority in the country) he is fairly popular but a lot of poor people oppose him as well. I actually think his popularity went UP after his passing, in my experience so many people I knew that were against him have been "sad" about the situation, I really don't understand that tbh.
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Chavez also tried a coup; yes it failed but it gave him the popularity to run for office. Had he succeeded he would of been in power for 23 years and counting.
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Caracas is horrible and so is the insecurity there, but I still cringe at the inflation argument  I am just going to leave this here.
Caracas can't be the most expensive city in America though, cause I live in Puerto Ordaz and when I visit Caracas everything seems cheaper to me 
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
Cuba is different from Venezuela, like N. Korea. You're still talking about something you don't know. I will not post anything about Mexico cause I don't live there.
In here, people VOTED, participated. I was one of them. I know how things are done in my country, you do not, you can't say he was a dictator when lots of people loved him. More than 4 million people are expected to come and see his body at La Academia Militar. You CAN see the pictures. All of those presidents coming to Venezuela.
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Right, because people like Hussein, Gaddafi, Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jun II, etc. didn't have people who loved them. If I could remember a book I read about the tactics dictators use to stay in power I would give you the name. If you can find one on the subject it, read it. It will open your eyes.
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by alfonso12
I can't at the ignorance in this thread
I had to left my own country (Venezuela) almost 5 years ago because of the insecurity, the inflation, the lack of groceries at the markets, the lack of liberty, etc... all of that because of that man.
Caracas is the worldwide city with the biggest amount of murders per day, also the most expensive city in America, as Venezuela has the biggest inflation in America.
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I live in Caracas and I don't find it expensive, I even find it cheaper than living in Valencia, where my mother and some of my relatives live. You're right, Caracas is really dangerous, but that's not Chavez's fault, that happens because lots of mothers don't know how to raise their children.
I'm so sad to know you had to leave your country, but you stop fighting for it and you shouldn't have done it. I will tell you something, I will fight for my country til I die, cause this is the place that watched me grow up, and I won't let anybody destroy it, you shouldn't have stopped fighting for a different country.
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Member Since: 10/30/2011
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Chavez also tried a coup; yes it failed but it gave him the popularity to run for office. Had he succeeded he would of been in power for 23 years and counting.
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21 years* but yes, thankfully he went to jail and dropped the coup attempts. Let's remember it was president Caldera who gave him amnesty 2 years before winning the first election.
I consider myself a leftist but not a socialist so I'm against anything Castro-related so that's why Chavez lost me after 2006. I was a mild supporter during his first term.
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by Glam
21 years* but yes, thankfully he went to jail and dropped the coup attempts. Let's remember it was president Caldera who gave him amnesty 2 years before winning the first election.
I consider myself a leftist but not a socialist so I'm against anything Castro-related so that's why Chavez lost me after 2006. I was a mild supporter during his first term.
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Well I'm glad you opened your eyes and saw Chavez' true intentions. And I can't at them blaming the US for his cancer. That's the kind of lies and tactics he used to get support. I believe his condition got worse because he refused to get the proper treatment in order to run again for office. He didn't want to give it up. His ego was his ruin.
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Right, because people like Hussein, Gaddafi, Stalin, Hitler, Kim Jun II, etc. didn't have people who loved them. If I could remember a book I read about the tactics dictators use to stay in power I would give you the name. If you can find one on the subject it, read it. It will open your eyes.
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You will not open my eyes because you do not know the situation. Like I said, you got to live here to talk. He WAS not a dictator, I saw people screaming "I LOVE YOU CHAVEZ", people crying, lots of people sad when they were taking his body to La Academia Militar. THEY LOVED HIM. Did you see what I saw? No, cause, like I said, you're not Venezuelan.
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Member Since: 4/12/2008
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Originally posted by Glam
Caracas can't be the most expensive city in America
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CNN Disagrees.
Oh, and I forgot to talk about devaluation. 10 Years ago when I used to came to Colombia in my vacations 1 bolivar was 4 pesos, now 1 bolivar is about 0.25 pesos or less.
In 2004 Venezuela's embassy in Bogotá was giving about 2 foreigner's identification cards to venezuelans that were coming to live here; in 2011 the amount has increased to 230.
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Member Since: 10/30/2011
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I hope his legacy of "caring about the poor" continues but someone with more knowledge about the economy takes charge cause we are going downhill rn.
The electoral campaign might have made it worse but he probably would've died regardless. Cancer is an agressive disease.
Yeah, I've heard about the US accusations. Remember when he was convinced Simon Bolivar had been poisoned or something? After he made costly investigations they found out he died of natural causes and that some arsenic treatment might have made it worse but back in the 1800s most doctors recommended that treatment..
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
You will not open my eyes because you do not know the situation. Like I said, you got to live here to talk. He WAS not a dictator, I saw people screaming "I LOVE YOU CHAVEZ", people crying, lots of people sad when they were taking his body to La Academia Militar. THEY LOVED HIM. Did you see what I saw? No, cause, like I said, you're not Venezuelan.
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Aww, they loved him. That's nice. A lot of Colombians loved Pablo Escobar too.
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
Aww, they loved him. That's nice. A lot of Colombians loved Pablo Escobar too.
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You still talking about something you don't know. And, I still can't understand why you care about my country's situation.
PS: Brazilian president and Lula Da Silva just arrived to La Academia Militar. You still doubting he had people who loved him?
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Member Since: 10/30/2011
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Originally posted by alfonso12
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Well, when you factor in rentals, utility bills and schooling costs I guess you're right. But food and clothing is cheaper in Caracas than where I live, trust me.
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Originally posted by alfonso12
Oh, and I forgot to talk about devaluation. 10 Years ago when I used to came to Colombia in my vacations 1 bolivar was 4 pesos, now 1 bolivar is about 0.25 pesos or less.
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Devaluation is a direct effect of inflation. If the inflation was low there'd be no need to devaluate the country's currency that much. My point was that Venezuela has had a chronic problem in terms of the country's currency, one that didn't start with Chavez and I just showed you the receipts. He might not have done what was needed to end that long affliction but you clearly said it was BECAUSE of him that we had a high inflation, as if we didn't before him. Since it was actually higher before him I encourage you to drop that argument. There are so many others you can use that make more sense.
Aside from politics, I'm glad my currency is cheap but CLEAN, not drugs money like that other country.
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Member Since: 9/7/2011
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Originally posted by abrahamjmr
You still talking about something you don't know. And, I still can't understand why you care about my country's situation.
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And you still keep giving me the stupid reason why Chavez was not a dictator was because a lot of people loved him.
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
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I have lots of friends from Venezuela and ALL hated him, I don't think Venezuela will be joining the "Democratic" club anytime soon, his dead makes him a heroe and in a country with "Caudillo" history you are going to experiece at least 3 years of the same.
And mess at that guy saying where his father work, a good friend had a boyfriend from Venezuela and the level of corruption she witness in a short stay was shocking and how cheap everything was if you have dollars 
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Member Since: 6/24/2012
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Originally posted by iStanGaga
And you still keep giving me the stupid reason why Chavez was not a dictator was because a lot of people loved him.
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He was not a dictator cause people voted for him. IT IS SIMPLE.
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